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Carolina_Low_Country · 07-05-2015 06:38 PM

If you could look into the future how do you see the power conferences turning out? Here's how I see it:

PAC-20
NORTH
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Boise State (Gets in the conference by just constantly winning and improving facilities and adds Boise area and really solidifies great NW)

WEST
Cal
Stanford
San Diego State (PAC takes SDSU to really put a strong hold on San Diego for the conference, great basketball)
UCLA
USC

SOUTH
UNLV (Adds the Nevada state and Las Vegas and creates a bridge from California to Arizona, good academics, great basketball)
Arizona
Arizona State
New Mexico (Gets the PAC into New Mexico / Albuquerque area, great basketball school, good academics)
UTEP (Gets the PAC into Texas and El Paso area, good basketball)

EAST
Utah
BYU (PAC sucks it up and takes controversial BYU, who would be the last big players in the western US for college sports, great following and good sports, adds Utah rival)
Colorado
Air Force (The PAC takes Air Force to give Colorado a rival, better choice then Colorado State because of better fan following and gives a military team for California schools to play to for large military state / area, Air Force also has great academics and good size football stadium)
Texas Tech (The PAC takes Texas Tech to get another Texas school. West Texas would be owned by the PAC and Texas Tech adds good sports and fan following gets TTU a chance to separate from UT and TAMU)

LEFT OUT: Fresno State
Others Left Out: San Jose State, Hawaii, Nevada, Idaho, New Mexico State, Wyoming, Colorado State

SEC

WEST
Oklahoma (OU gives the SEC another great power and the state of Oklahoma, makes Mizzou happy also bringing back old Big 8 schools)
Texas (UT brings another big time power, more Texas fans, an AAU school etc., makes Ark and OU happy, old SWC back together kind of)
Texas A&M
Rice (SEC takes Rice to have all the Southern Ivy schools in its conference and to take the Houston market, also another Texas school for UT, A&M, OU, and Ark to play)
Missouri
Arkansas

SOUTH
LSU
Tulane (SEC takes original member Tulane to have another AAU member and grab all Southern Ivy schools and take control of New Orleans market)
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

EAST
South Carolina
Clemson (Takes one of the last true Southern college football schools not in the SEC and adds them as an SEC member to keep another conference from gaining a foot hold in the region)
Georgia
Georgia Tech (Original member of the SEC returns so the SEC can have another AAU school and really have a foot hold on Atlanta market)
Florida
Florida State (SEC takes FSU to grab another great Southern football power not in the SEC, adds more Florida fans)

NORTH
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Virginia (Gives the SEC another AAU school and access to DC and Virginia markets and gives a rival for UNC)
North Carolina (Gets the SEC into North Carolina market, another AAU school, and the famous Duke-Carolina basketball rivalry)
Duke (Same as UNC)

Left Out: Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, Louisville, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Others: Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Louisiana, UCF, Southern Miss, Memphis, South Florida, East Carolina, Old Dominion, etc....

BIG TEN
WEST
Nebraska
Kansas (Gets Big Ten into Kansas / Kansas City, great basketball and another AAU Mid-West school)
Iowa State (Big Ten gets another AAU Mid-West school to please Mid-West schools after multiple east coast adds, also prevents another conference from snagging up an AAU school in Big Ten territory, great fan base)
Iowa
Minnesota

NORTH
Illinois
Northwestern
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue

SOUTH
Ohio State
Pitt (Gets another east coast / cultural fit AAU school for Big Ten good sports and would grow in Big Ten)
Penn State
Maryland
Indiana

EAST
Notre Dame (A non AAU member but the cream of the crop for Northern and NE football fans goes perfect with Ohio St and Mich...imagine a Big Ten playoff of Neb, Ohio St, Mich., and ND)
Syracuse (A former AAU school like Nebraska, great basketball and gets the Big Ten into New York state and more of the New York market)
Boston College (Private catholic school to go along with Notre Dame to play, gets the conference into Boston area, great academics)
Rutgers
Connecticut (To balance the conference UCONN gets into the Big Ten as long as they can become an AAU member, gives them a great basketball power and another presence in NYC and New England)

Left Out: Kansas State, Cincinnati, Navy, and Army
Others: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Temple, UMASS, NIU, Ohio, Buffalo, etc...

The left overs of TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Colorado State, Tulsa, Louisiana, Memphis, East Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, Temple, UCF, South Florida, NC State, Wake Forest, Miami, UAB, Georgia Southern, and Southern Miss would probably all join together to create a Big 24 conference that would be the best of the rest and would have a spot at one of the four overall playoff spots.

**Stay Cool** · 07-05-2015 06:40 PM

You really got an axe to grind over NIU...

DavidSt · 07-05-2015 06:47 PM

You might replace Air Force with Colorado State. Colorado would prefer Colorado State. UNLV suck in football, and their basketball have been down. UNR is a much better right now.

Carolina_Low_Country · 07-05-2015 06:48 PM

No not really, have no problem with NIU. NIU just does not fit in any of these P5 conferences. Also why would they be in the left overs? NIU has not really separated it self that much from the rest of the MAC for facilities or attendance. NIU made a BCS bowl but there are other members of the MAC who football programs are just as good as NIUs. I just think NIU would stay in the MAC in that situation.

**Stay Cool** · 07-05-2015 06:53 PM

But Temple/Tulsa/UAB/Georgia So/So Miss CLEARLY have exemplified what it takes to get into this left over conference... that type of thinking is why a lot of people persecute AAC fans on other forums. Just something not right with your thought processes...

Carolina_Low_Country · 07-05-2015 07:00 PM

I was just thinking of schools NIU could easily be a part of that group. I am not sure how those left overs would work. I am guessing it would be the ACC and Big 12 left overs merging together then adding the best teams from there and trying to add some regional flare to compete with the other 3 power conferences and go with a name like Big 24 to not add anything regional to it but just show that it is a power conference and not be restricted to a certain region.

colohank · 07-05-2015 07:26 PM

Amusing.

DavidSt · 07-05-2015 07:47 PM

For the west or Big 12, you got to think Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, South Dakota, Sacramento State, Montana, and Northern Iowa.
East, you got to think Delaware, Jacksonville State, Alabama State, James Madison, Stony Brook, Towson, Liberty, New Hampshire, Youngstown State, and some others could fit in somewhere as well. Three P5 conferences could be 24 teams with 4 pods of 6 which would still give the PAC 12 north schools still have access in playing the California Schools.
Hawaii, New Mexico, Colorado State and North Dakota State have the academics big enough to be part of the PAC 12.

rednblackattack · 07-05-2015 09:55 PM

Programs such as Miami, Oklahoma St, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State are not going to be left out. ECU? Yes

PirateTreasureNC · 07-05-2015 10:13 PM

jskwrite · 07-05-2015 10:31 PM

The ACC has played expansion too well up to the point of getting their network.

I think we are looking at at least 2 more years of status quo, only exception being if Cincinnati and another team go to the Big 12.

Kittonhead · 07-06-2015 01:08 AM

There was a couple of years there were power conferences felt like it was time to make some moves.

The B1G grabbing Nebraska made sense on a lot of fronts. To get the B1G to 12 schools and add a big football school to the mix. Nebraska like Penn State came later on the scene then most B1G schools and wouldn't have been in the conversation in the 50's.

The PAC failing to get the Texoma group but still settling for Colorado and Utah wasn't completely necessary but I guess they felt like they had to keep up with the B1G moving to 12 members. Four power conference schools in the intermountain region seemed justified with the population shifts.

The ACC going out and grabbing Pitt and Syracuse out of the blue seems like it was very much motivated by the climate at the time. They didn't need Pitt and Syracuse to stay in the power conversation but it did put all that much more distance between them and the Big East.

Then the B1G going after Maryland and Rutgers. Its case were TV households did the talking to the point where it motivated the B1G to expand. Same for the SEC and TAMU.

In a lot of respects it will be easier moving forward to tap into a G5 conference for a member over going outright to raid another power conference. The ACC might decide to go after UC/UCF in a preemptive strike instead of letting the B12 have them as members. The B1G could do a KU/UConn combo where it takes in a G5 program and that would open a spot for Houston in the B12.

Texas and Oklahoma seem like they want to mold the B12 to their liking with Houston as an addition. It is kind of like if Florida and Georgia were in the ACC and Florida State and Georgia Tech in the SEC.........the Florida and Georgia go out and vote in UCF/USF to have a presence in all of the major markets in Florida. They are capable of floating a whole region as a power conference.

TopperCard · 07-06-2015 06:34 AM

So, what you're saying is if the power conferences re-alligned, current P5 members like Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, NC State, Miami, and Louisville would be replaced by Boise State, UNLV, UTEP, New Mexico, Air Force, and UConn?

Gotcha.

01-wingedeagle

~~Rabbit_in_Red~~ · 07-06-2015 06:38 AM

It really astonishes me. Just when I think I've read the absolute stupidest thing I could read on this board...someone goes out and tops it.

CardFan1 · 07-06-2015 06:46 AM

Ditto......I wasn't even going to say anything at first as I thought it was so far fetched to even think it would ever happen. 03-lmfao

Rice

Tulane

to the SEC 01-wingedeagle

Guess Hell froze over !

CougarRed · 07-06-2015 06:56 AM

I see three conferences of 20-24 teams. Consolidation occurs in the Big 10, SEC and Pac 12 as the ACC and Big 12 get raided.

Or if the Pac 12 can't get the Big 12 schools it wants and doesn't take the Big 12 leftovers, then I see the Big 10 and SEC at 20-24 teams with the Pac 12 and Big 12+ACC leftovers as the 3rd and 4th most powerful conferences.

TerryD · 07-06-2015 07:00 AM

Again, as an ND fan for over 50 years, thanks but no thanks on this....

I personally would rather have ND drop football or join/help create a new classification (not as a full member of any conference, mind you) than have it join a football conference, especially one involving the Big Ten.

I have never once thought in all of that time that ND "goes perfect" with Ohio State and/or Michigan.

toddjnsn · 07-06-2015 08:00 AM

Having only 60-64 teams in P5 wouldn't be it, if P5 / G5 were going to more solidly section-off where G5 was going to be it's own division literally or almost-literally.

And they wouldn't be broken up in to 3 conferences of 20.

It'd be the 5 P5 conferences with 16 each --> 80 teams.

Personally, I don't like Huge conferences. I think there should be a 12-team limit. Especially if you're counting out the G5 conferences and you only have 5 conferences to work with (an odd number at that!).

So how many G5s would migrate in this most-realistic P5/G5 split situation to make 80-team all in 5 conferences? It'd be something Like this (with internal conference shuffling between P5s too and stuff)

1. ACC (2) -> Notre Dame, ECU
2. B12 (6) -> BYU, Cinci, NIU, Houston, Tulsa, LA-Tech or Marshall
3. B1G (2) -> UConn, Rice [Good school; B10 Picky on that]
4. SEC (2) -> UCF, Memphis
5. P12 (4) -> Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Air Force

That'd create a Vacuum for AAC needing 5-7 more teams (for 10 or 12) -- stripping, yet again, CUSA (and maybe Ohio and/or Toledo from MAC) -- and CUSA stripping Sun Belt (and maybe Ohio and/or Toledo from MAC)... while the MAC brings in a few FCS teams, and the Sun Belt being basically a reborn FCS conference.

PGEMF · 07-06-2015 08:03 AM

In this hypothetical scenario...

There is zero chance the PAC would be interested in UTEP.

There is zero chance the SEC would take Rice and Tulane over Va Tech and WVA.

There is zero chance the B1G would take Iowa State over Va Tech.

There is zero chance Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Miami, Va Tech, NC State, Louisville, and West VA and Wake are left out.

krup · 07-06-2015 08:42 AM

Couldn't disagree with the "Pac20" idea more. The existing conference has a bunch of schools (the AZ, OR, WA school, CO) that don't want to give up their connection to the state of CA. There is 0% chance they would vote for expanding so much they are all in different pods that would have infrequent access to the CA schools.

Then, while PAC12 might vote differently now on the OU/OSU additions they shot down (because of how limited their options turned out), there is no chance in hell they take a group of BYU, AF, UTEP, SDSU and especially Boise (whose peers in the USNWR rankings are Walla Walla University and the University of the Incarnate Word).

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