(07-02-2015 12:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:05 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  didn't it come out that the TV contracts guarantee no drop off in payouts should the conference expand? So it's already pretty much revenue neutral.

That's just the TV contract. The current schools would all take a pay cut with the bowl and NCAA tourney shares, which is a substantial amount of money. Like a few million per school if we add 2

Probably with the tourney shares, but the B12 would also have more teams in bowls so that may be a wash.

Cincy, UConn and Memphis, there is no problem with tourney shares.

(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  didn't it come out that the TV contracts guarantee no drop off in payouts should the conference expand? So it's already pretty much revenue neutral.

That's the second time today I've heard that. Does anybody have a credible source for that? It sounds like it's different than some B12 presidents/Ad's have alluded to.

I suspect that assumes that some of that additional money (if there is any) comes first from the addition of a CCG, plus a smaller addition for the other two members. Otherwise, why would a network pay $40 million for a couple of P5 schools when they don't pay much more than that for entire G5 conferences?

(07-02-2015 08:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  didn't it come out that the TV contracts guarantee no drop off in payouts should the conference expand? So it's already pretty much revenue neutral.

That's the second time today I've heard that. Does anybody have a credible source for that? It sounds like it's different than some B12 presidents/Ad's have alluded to.

I suspect that assumes that some of that additional money (if there is any) comes first from the addition of a CCG, plus a smaller addition for the other two members. Otherwise, why would a network pay $40 million for a couple of P5 schools when they don't pay much more than that for entire G5 conferences?

Peruse some of the other threads. Both David Boren and Bob Bowlsby said it recently.

Whether it comes from a ccg or comes without one hasn't been asked or answered.

Won't they expand when ESPN tells them to?

That's what happened with the ACC.

(07-02-2015 12:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:35 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Are Tech and TCU really against expansion if the alternative is losing OU and OK St to the SEC?

To expand your point, if Texas or Oklahoma leave, the B12 may not collapse but it becomes a "G#" conference. If either says, "Expand or we are leaving,". The others will follow. There may be some debate about the candidates but not about expansion.

Sure, if UT says "Jump" on this issue, then the rest of the conference will say, "How high?" -- but that works both ways. If UT says in so many words, "If you vote to expand over our objection, then we're outta here as soon as we possibly can be" -- which is a threat they once made during their SWC days -- then no one is going to be foolish enough to issue invitations. The Big 12 is only expanding if UT wants it to happen.

(07-02-2015 11:32 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Who said TCU was anti-expansion? Del Conte said to just not rush into things. It's only been 1 year with the current playoff. I know for a fact that he has stated that UConn, BYU, USF, UCF, and Cincinnati would be at the top of the list if we expand.

Yeah, TCU might be for expansion. They just got into a P5, and if the others leave? They would be moved back to G5 status again.

Iowa State from I understand would be for expansion to save themselves as well. If some of the big name schools leave? They would be dropped to a G5 status.

Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia, Iowa State and Oklahoma State could be left behind if they do not get picked to the other 4. Tech is on the border as well.

(07-02-2015 12:33 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:05 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  didn't it come out that the TV contracts guarantee no drop off in payouts should the conference expand? So it's already pretty much revenue neutral.

That's just the TV contract. The current schools would all take a pay cut with the bowl and NCAA tourney shares, which is a substantial amount of money. Like a few million per school if we add 2

That can be further offset by having a conference championship game which brings in revenue + stipulating that new members receive reduced shares for a few years. Revenue isn't a hindrance to expansion if they really want to.

It would seem to me the Memphis and Cincy would not take away from Basketball Tourney revenue......both are consistently in the Tourney.

Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

There are many right schools out there, but the Big 12 are too chicken to expand. Everytime they keep dragging their feet? A school leaves. If they do not expand now? Oklahoma will say "See you all later!!" and will leave to the Big 10.

(07-04-2015 12:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

There are many right schools out there, but the Big 12 are too chicken to expand. Everytime they keep dragging their feet? A school leaves. If they do not expand now? Oklahoma will say "See you all later!!" and will leave to the Big 10.

I have neg -3 rep because of this troll and I want posters to see it.

David--- Shut the heck up.

Edit:: I got a -2 rep from David because of this post. The Big 12 won't expand and you need to stop. No one believes the crap you spew and you will be on my ignore list soon.

How quickly the new programs to the club run fastest to shut the fire escape....South Florida did the same to UCF during Big East era. Considering geography, if ANY program should be for expansion, it should be WVU.

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

disagree here

There are a few schools that are 'right' depending on what you are looking at.

The reason they aren't expanding is Texas is going to kill the conference. I know WVA doesn't want to hear that but I guess you figure it out sooner or later. Don't worry, I see WVA getting a landing spot at some point.

But looking at the B12: 10 teams, smallest market reach, smallest state reach, you guys on an island?? They can add teams that would do the trick but won't. Why? They are killing the conference. It's the only reasonable explanation when you take all the facts in. Saying the reason they won't expand because there aren't any 'right' candidates can be said, but when numbers are crunched, it doesn't really add up.

I don't come in here and pimp UC normally, but let's be honest here and take an objective look at one school, UC for example. The market, ohio recruiting, NCAA basketball credits, bowls, endowment, academics (academically they are in the middle of the B12 (ahead of you, Tech, OSU, etc.). Only four programs have been to five straight bowls and five straight NCAA tourneys. UC is one of those four programs. etc. they would be a 'right' add. They would also help bridge the island you guys are on. Throw in the fact that the Tier 1 contract shows the b12 won't lose money on any add because they increase the money to compensate for added schools and it doesn't make sense not to add them.


Edit: The only other explanation as to why the B12 has not expanded yet that makes sense would be this: They just want to add one team and have a CCG. In this case they are waiting on the NCAA ruling on deregulation. This fits in with the theory that they vetted one school for #11 but could not decide on #12. Therefore they want to add #11 only but won't do so unless they can have a CCG with 11 teams.

I'm a Tiger fan and I agree with Bearcat...

(07-04-2015 01:38 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 12:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

There are many right schools out there, but the Big 12 are too chicken to expand. Everytime they keep dragging their feet? A school leaves. If they do not expand now? Oklahoma will say "See you all later!!" and will leave to the Big 10.

I have neg -3 rep because of this troll and I want posters to see it.

David--- Shut the heck up.

His sources come from his dreams. Go back to the DII boards.

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

bitcruncher and I rarely agree on things, whether the topic is sports or anything else. So I just wanted to acknowledge the wisdom/accuracy and good-sense of the above comment.

(07-04-2015 11:35 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

bitcruncher and I rarely agree on things, whether the topic is sports or anything else. So I just wanted to acknowledge the wisdom/accuracy and good-sense of the above comment.

(07-04-2015 08:09 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Everyone in the Big XII is for expansion, if the right schools are involved. Right now, there are no right schools available. Perhaps that will change in the near future. But not now.

But this grasping at straws to force the Big XII conform to the size of every other power conference is getting extremely old. I know why it's happening, which is why I've always hated expansion discussions. But forget it for the time being. It ain't happening, unless a very unusual set of circumstances occurs, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

disagree here

There are a few schools that are 'right' depending on what you are looking at.

The reason they aren't expanding is Texas is going to kill the conference. I know WVA doesn't want to hear that but I guess you figure it out sooner or later. Don't worry, I see WVA getting a landing spot at some point.

But looking at the B12: 10 teams, smallest market reach, smallest state reach, you guys on an island?? They can add teams that would do the trick but won't. Why? They are killing the conference. It's the only reasonable explanation when you take all the facts in. Saying the reason they won't expand because there aren't any 'right' candidates can be said, but when numbers are crunched, it doesn't really add up.

I don't come in here and pimp UC normally, but let's be honest here and take an objective look at one school, UC for example. The market, ohio recruiting, NCAA basketball credits, bowls, endowment, academics (academically they are in the middle of the B12 (ahead of you, Tech, OSU, etc.). Only four programs have been to five straight bowls and five straight NCAA tourneys. UC is one of those four programs. etc. they would be a 'right' add. They would also help bridge the island you guys are on. Throw in the fact that the Tier 1 contract shows the b12 won't lose money on any add because they increase the money to compensate for added schools and it doesn't make sense not to add them.


Edit: The only other explanation as to why the B12 has not expanded yet that makes sense would be this: They just want to add one team and have a CCG. In this case they are waiting on the NCAA ruling on deregulation. This fits in with the theory that they vetted one school for #11 but could not decide on #12. Therefore they want to add #11 only but won't do so unless they can have a CCG with 11 teams.

If its reasonable, why didn't they do it in 2010 or 2011 before the GOR? So its not a reasonable explanation. Under current circumstances Texas believes the Big 12 is the best place for it. Any other explanation just ignores the facts.

Now circumstances can change.