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Since we have so many law enforcement experts on this board
tell us how you would react





Simple theft complaint. Seemingly cooperative suspects changes to a threat in seconds. That's the reality you deal with, not the garbage you've learned from Hollywood.
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I have family in law enforcement. Let's start from the top:

1) Did not search suspect for weapons.
2) Did not detain suspect, despite being in a public place where they could be highly outnumbered or civilians could be harmed
3) One of the officers (the more physically capable one) turned his back to the suspect all the way out the building.


On the correct procedure side, they at least had body cams and at least one of the officers keep their face to the suspect at all times. The male did have impressive thinking on his feet to clear the suspect from line of fire of his partner and the restaurant.

The right ultimate outcome, but handled VERY sloppily.

If I were his shift captain ... I'd have a response like the coach on the Indians in Major League where Hayes makes the basket catch. "Great catch Hayes! Don't ever ****in do it again!" Great work officer ... don't ever f'n handle it like that at the beginning again.
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RE: Since we have so many law enforcement experts on this board
(07-02-2015 12:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I have family in law enforcement. Let's start from the top:

1) Did not search suspect for weapons.
2) Did not detain suspect, despite being in a public place where they could be highly outnumbered or civilians could be harmed
3) One of the officers (the more physically capable one) turned his back to the suspect all the way out the building.


On the correct procedure side, they at least had body cams and at least one of the officers keep their face to the suspect at all times. The male did have impressive thinking on his feet to clear the suspect from line of fire of his partner and the restaurant.

The right ultimate outcome, but handled VERY sloppily.

If I were his shift captain ... I'd have a response like the coach on the Indians in Major League where Hayes makes the basket catch. "Great catch Hayes! Don't ever ****in do it again!" Great work officer ... don't ever f'n handle it like that at the beginning again.

A. searching in the bathroom poses a threat to the officers. Confined space, search position puts the suspect at a leverage advantage. Just like in football low man wins in a physical struggle. Any confrontation in a confined space is a crap shoot.

B. searching right outside the restroom puts the general public at risk.

C. the political climate today makes officers hesitant to detain suspects until they are ready to arrest them. One of my best friends had to threaten to taze someone who stopped and interfered in a roadside sobriety check a couple months back. The cellphone video may be available on Copblock as he told me she kept saying it was going on their site because he was a "road pirate", but I refuse to give them the revenue from a click to provide it.

D. Oh yeah, here's the other video





These videos show two purposes.

#1 You have seconds to act when your life is on the line

and

#2 Law enforcement has a "lose/lose" situation when it comes to detaining suspects. Had they cuffed him and walked him out the restaurant like you are suggest they would be "jack boot thugs". Deny it all you want, all you have to do is watch a few Youtube videos or read the comments section of local news sites to see that.

It was a simple beer shoplifting case from Walmart. A misdemeanor. James Bushey had no serious criminal record and likely would have only got time served and restitution for the crime. Honestly had he returned the beer Walmart probably wouldn't have prosecuted from my experience.

Oh and the gun drawn was a pellet gun.

Justified shooting, both officers praised by at least one of their supervisors

Quote:"It's very unfortunate that the police officers were put in this position," Palestine Police Captain James Muniz said Tuesday. "They felt that they had no choice but to defend themselves at that time."

Muniz praised the actions Green and Griffin took that night.
http://www.cbs19.tv/story/29446510/pales...d-shooting
But hey....you are a computer geek with family in law enforcement.....what does he know?
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(07-02-2015 12:55 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  But hey....you are a computer geek with family in law enforcement.....what does he know?

I think you confuse the response you expected with the response you received.
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Simple theft? Instead of taking a $hit, he should leave a $hit.
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Excessive force! Police brutality! They hate white people!
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(07-02-2015 12:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I have family in law enforcement. Let's start from the top:

1) Did not search suspect for weapons.
2) Did not detain suspect, despite being in a public place where they could be highly outnumbered or civilians could be harmed
3) One of the officers (the more physically capable one) turned his back to the suspect all the way out the building.


On the correct procedure side, they at least had body cams and at least one of the officers keep their face to the suspect at all times. The male did have impressive thinking on his feet to clear the suspect from line of fire of his partner and the restaurant.

The right ultimate outcome, but handled VERY sloppily.

If I were his shift captain ... I'd have a response like the coach on the Indians in Major League where Hayes makes the basket catch. "Great catch Hayes! Don't ever ****in do it again!" Great work officer ... don't ever f'n handle it like that at the beginning again.

The cops were looking for a guy who stole beer from wal mart not wanted for armed robbery. Cops were looking for a non violent guy who was probably drinking. They asked him to step outside and he complied.
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RE: Since we have so many law enforcement experts on this board
(07-02-2015 12:55 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-02-2015 12:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I have family in law enforcement. Let's start from the top:

1) Did not search suspect for weapons.
2) Did not detain suspect, despite being in a public place where they could be highly outnumbered or civilians could be harmed
3) One of the officers (the more physically capable one) turned his back to the suspect all the way out the building.


On the correct procedure side, they at least had body cams and at least one of the officers keep their face to the suspect at all times. The male did have impressive thinking on his feet to clear the suspect from line of fire of his partner and the restaurant.

The right ultimate outcome, but handled VERY sloppily.

If I were his shift captain ... I'd have a response like the coach on the Indians in Major League where Hayes makes the basket catch. "Great catch Hayes! Don't ever ****in do it again!" Great work officer ... don't ever f'n handle it like that at the beginning again.

A. searching in the bathroom poses a threat to the officers. Confined space, search position puts the suspect at a leverage advantage. Just like in football low man wins in a physical struggle. Any confrontation in a confined space is a crap shoot.

B. searching right outside the restroom puts the general public at risk.

C. the political climate today makes officers hesitant to detain suspects until they are ready to arrest them. One of my best friends had to threaten to taze someone who stopped and interfered in a roadside sobriety check a couple months back. The cellphone video may be available on Copblock as he told me she kept saying it was going on their site because he was a "road pirate", but I refuse to give them the revenue from a click to provide it.

D. Oh yeah, here's the other video





These videos show two purposes.

#1 You have seconds to act when your life is on the line

and

#2 Law enforcement has a "lose/lose" situation when it comes to detaining suspects. Had they cuffed him and walked him out the restaurant like you are suggest they would be "jack boot thugs". Deny it all you want, all you have to do is watch a few Youtube videos or read the comments section of local news sites to see that.

It was a simple beer shoplifting case from Walmart. A misdemeanor. James Bushey had no serious criminal record and likely would have only got time served and restitution for the crime. Honestly had he returned the beer Walmart probably wouldn't have prosecuted from my experience.

Oh and the gun drawn was a pellet gun.

Justified shooting, both officers praised by at least one of their supervisors

Quote:"It's very unfortunate that the police officers were put in this position," Palestine Police Captain James Muniz said Tuesday. "They felt that they had no choice but to defend themselves at that time."

Muniz praised the actions Green and Griffin took that night.
http://www.cbs19.tv/story/29446510/pales...d-shooting
But hey....you are a computer geek with family in law enforcement.....what does he know?

^ thank goodness Barney Fife is here to explain it all to us, lol
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What is that flashing light after the shooting. Is it a strobe light that activates when a firearm is pulled or the trigger pulled to disorient the person being shot at?
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I don't think the police did anything wrong.
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Everything I have read about this online appears to be a "suicide by cop" type of situation. The dude had just been divorced and his weapon was a BB gun.
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(07-02-2015 07:49 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-02-2015 12:55 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-02-2015 12:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I have family in law enforcement. Let's start from the top:

1) Did not search suspect for weapons.
2) Did not detain suspect, despite being in a public place where they could be highly outnumbered or civilians could be harmed
3) One of the officers (the more physically capable one) turned his back to the suspect all the way out the building.


On the correct procedure side, they at least had body cams and at least one of the officers keep their face to the suspect at all times. The male did have impressive thinking on his feet to clear the suspect from line of fire of his partner and the restaurant.

The right ultimate outcome, but handled VERY sloppily.

If I were his shift captain ... I'd have a response like the coach on the Indians in Major League where Hayes makes the basket catch. "Great catch Hayes! Don't ever ****in do it again!" Great work officer ... don't ever f'n handle it like that at the beginning again.

A. searching in the bathroom poses a threat to the officers. Confined space, search position puts the suspect at a leverage advantage. Just like in football low man wins in a physical struggle. Any confrontation in a confined space is a crap shoot.

B. searching right outside the restroom puts the general public at risk.

C. the political climate today makes officers hesitant to detain suspects until they are ready to arrest them. One of my best friends had to threaten to taze someone who stopped and interfered in a roadside sobriety check a couple months back. The cellphone video may be available on Copblock as he told me she kept saying it was going on their site because he was a "road pirate", but I refuse to give them the revenue from a click to provide it.

D. Oh yeah, here's the other video





These videos show two purposes.

#1 You have seconds to act when your life is on the line

and

#2 Law enforcement has a "lose/lose" situation when it comes to detaining suspects. Had they cuffed him and walked him out the restaurant like you are suggest they would be "jack boot thugs". Deny it all you want, all you have to do is watch a few Youtube videos or read the comments section of local news sites to see that.

It was a simple beer shoplifting case from Walmart. A misdemeanor. James Bushey had no serious criminal record and likely would have only got time served and restitution for the crime. Honestly had he returned the beer Walmart probably wouldn't have prosecuted from my experience.

Oh and the gun drawn was a pellet gun.

Justified shooting, both officers praised by at least one of their supervisors

Quote:"It's very unfortunate that the police officers were put in this position," Palestine Police Captain James Muniz said Tuesday. "They felt that they had no choice but to defend themselves at that time."

Muniz praised the actions Green and Griffin took that night.
http://www.cbs19.tv/story/29446510/pales...d-shooting
But hey....you are a computer geek with family in law enforcement.....what does he know?

^ thank goodness Barney Fife is here to explain it all to us, lol

So not only are you a super-duper legal expert, you're now an expert in criminal justice? Wow, thank goodness we have you here to enlighten all us commonfolk with your knowledge. 03-lmfao
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