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Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
If they discriminate against others and the protected classes?
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
They should if they don't allow conservative Christians who are against gay marriage to hold high office in their organization.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-01-2015 11:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They should if they don't allow conservative Christians who are against gay marriage to hold high office in their organization.

Sure, so long as every other non-profit, including churches and 501c3's loses their tax exempt status at the same time.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-01-2015 11:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 11:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They should if they don't allow conservative Christians who are against gay marriage to hold high office in their organization.

Sure, so long as every other non-profit, including churches and 501c3's loses their tax exempt status at the same time.

Lets do it! I actually have family up north who are a family of pastors, they hold all their services in their dining room. Granted this is backwoods Northern Michigan, but the Bible does say where two or more are gathered. Churches are corporate greed in a sense, but do provide a lot of services to the needy.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-01-2015 11:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 11:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They should if they don't allow conservative Christians who are against gay marriage to hold high office in their organization.

Sure, so long as every other non-profit, including churches and 501c3's loses their tax exempt status at the same time.

This.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
Much like my stance on churches and unions if they get involved in the political process I'm all for it.
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See...that isn't so hard.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
So if churches speak out on moral issues they should lose their tax exempt status? If they can't talk about moral issues, what functions should churches perform?

Should MLK's church have lost its tax-exempt status in the 1960's? No church in our history was more political than that.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
They can speak out on issues, but can't endorse candidates. Congress would have to change that, though who knows, the SCOTUS I guess could use their new found lawmaking powers and change the tax code themselves.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-01-2015 11:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 11:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  They should if they don't allow conservative Christians who are against gay marriage to hold high office in their organization.

Sure, so long as every other non-profit, including churches and 501c3's loses their tax exempt status at the same time.

I disagree, and think various reasonable exemptions will hold.

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2. Are there any exceptions to who is covered by Title VII’s religion provisions?

Yes. While Title VII’s jurisdictional rules apply to all religious discrimination claims under the statute, see EEOC Compliance Manual, “Threshold Issues,” http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/threshold.html, specially-defined “religious organizations” and “religious educational institutions” are exempt from certain religious discrimination provisions, and a “ministerial exception” bars Title VII claims by employees who serve in clergy roles.

Religious Organization Exception: Under Title VII, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to members of their own religion. The exception applies only to those institutions whose “purpose and character are primarily religious.” Factors to consider that would indicate whether an entity is religious include: whether its articles of incorporation state a religious purpose; whether its day-to-day operations are religious (e.g., are the services the entity performs, the product it produces, or the educational curriculum it provides directed toward propagation of the religion?); whether it is not-for-profit; and whether it affiliated with, or supported by, a church or other religious organization.

This exception is not limited to religious activities of the organization. However, it only allows religious organizations to prefer to employ individuals who share their religion. The exception does not allow religious organizations otherwise to discriminate in employment on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, age, or disability. Thus, a religious organization is not permitted to engage in racially discriminatory hiring by asserting that a tenet of its religious beliefs is not associating with people of other races.

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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
This is getting complicated ..........
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
As a student of the Bible I know Tom wins this dispute. Scripture pretty much spells it out. The Bible indicates that as the time for Christ’s return approaches, evil and social chaos may well intensify. The Bible says that “evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13).

Are we living in those days? Only God knows the answer to that; the Bible makes it clear that we aren’t to predict the exact time of Christ’s return or claim to know when it will happen. Jesus said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36). The world has faced terrible times before, and so have God’s people.

At the same time, many of the signs or events that Jesus said must take place before His return are certainly in place. Never before, for example, has it been possible to penetrate virtually every corner of the world with the Gospel, as Jesus predicted (see Matthew 24:14).

Christians will continue to be faithful to Christ, no matter what happens in the world around them. They may be tempted to withdraw, or to react negatively to those who don't agree with them. But God loves them too, and He wants to use Christians to share the good news of Christ’s forgiveness and new life with them. Jesus’ words: “As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work” (John 9:4).
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-02-2015 06:17 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  So if churches speak out on moral issues they should lose their tax exempt status? If they can't talk about moral issues, what functions should churches perform?

Should MLK's church have lost its tax-exempt status in the 1960's? No church in our history was more political than that.

Actually, if they lost their tax exempt status they could talk about politics all day long.

MLK's church wasn't sustained by people looking for a tax write off. 'Jus sayin'.
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Gays won't know what to do now that they can't be victims or activists. This ought to get interesting.
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(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Gays won't know what to do now that they can't be victims or activists. This ought to get interesting.

They will always be victims and activists. This will never end. Equality is not enough.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
No

Tax exempt status is for any organization which advocates their idea of a social good.

Besides, tax exempt status is a vested right.
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RE: Should pro gay organizations lose their tax exempt status?
(07-02-2015 12:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(07-02-2015 11:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Gays won't know what to do now that they can't be victims or activists. This ought to get interesting.

They will always be victims and activists. This will never end. Equality is not enough.

I said, for many months now, that the endgame for Gay americans is the 2nd-class citizenship of Straight americans. I was mocked and ridiculed for taking that stance, but I feel more and more vindicated every day since last Friday.
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