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RE: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because....
Arkansas voted down secession. Then Lincoln called for states to send troops to force those who had back into the union. Arkansas reconvened its convention which then voted to secede.

This is a lot more complex secession scenario than most people are taught or are aware of.

Arkansas would have probably remained, at least temporarily, in the union as a slave state if Lincoln had not intimated use of force.

So did Arkansas secede due to slavery...the threat of force against the other seceding states....a combination?

But we live in a time where it has to be boiled down to an easily digestible politically correct black and white snippet for the ignorant masses. There are no gray areas and no complexities to muddy the water tolerated.
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(07-03-2015 11:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Arkansas voted down secession. Then Lincoln called for states to send troops to force those who had back into the union. Arkansas reconvened its convention which then voted to secede.

This is a lot more complex secession scenario than most people are taught or are aware of.

Arkansas would have probably remained, at least temporarily, in the union as a slave state if Lincoln had not intimated use of force.

So did Arkansas secede due to slavery...the threat of force against the other seceding states....a combination?

But we live in a time where it has to be boiled down to an easily digestible politically correct black and white snippet for the ignorant masses. There are no gray areas and no complexities to muddy the water tolerated.

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RE: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because....
(07-01-2015 11:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  How can anyone alive today say the books are wrong. No one here was around to see those events.Folks are always rewriting History to serve Their own opinions. Another reason there are so many different teachings of the Bible. It's been rewritten to different interpretation countless times to be more PC.Im sure someday it will be changed again to show gay marriage for future generations to read.


Actually we have tens of thousands of manuscripts and scrolls of the books of the bible that are over 2000 years old, so we know what was written in the bible back in the day.

There is a ton of misinformation out there claiming the words of the Bible were changed or altered by the Nicean council or early Catholic church. But we have a ton of evidence pre dating those periods by multiple centuries.
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(07-04-2015 01:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 11:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  How can anyone alive today say the books are wrong. No one here was around to see those events.Folks are always rewriting History to serve Their own opinions. Another reason there are so many different teachings of the Bible. It's been rewritten to different interpretation countless times to be more PC.Im sure someday it will be changed again to show gay marriage for future generations to read.


Actually we have tens of thousands of manuscripts and scrolls of the bible that are over 2000 years old, so we know what was written in the bible back in the day.

There is a ton of misinformation out there claiming the words of the Bible were changed or altered by the Nicean council or early Catholic church. But we have a ton of evidence pre dating those periods by multiple centuries.
They also threw out a lot of Books of the Bible to suit what they wanted to be taught. Why was that? Then the Catholic church added a lot of bull and nonsense that directly contradicts what is taught (or stated) in the Bible, so there's that, too. (Priests can't marry, purgatory, praying to Mary to intercede, confessing to someone other than Jesus/God, elevating people to saints)


Non of this contributes to the CW causes but I wanted to add my 2 cents.
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(07-04-2015 03:25 AM)CatMom Wrote:  They also threw out a lot of Books of the Bible to suit what they wanted to be taught. Why was that? Then the Catholic church added a lot of bull and nonsense that directly contradicts what is taught (or stated) in the Bible, so there's that, too. (Priests can't marry, purgatory, praying to Mary to intercede, confessing to someone other than Jesus/God, elevating people to saints)


They didn't really "throw out books" because there was no completed bible they began with. Saying they "threw out books" suggests something was changed, but nothing was changed because there was no widely accepted canon of the bible before then to alter.

What they did was debate and narrow down the bible from a larger collection of books that had been collected from the Jews and the early church fathers.

These books that were "left out" are widely available today and read and debated by many theologians and scholars, as well as many regular folks like you and me. The overwhelming consensus is most of the books left out are not inspired by God, in other words, not part of his Word. Why? Mostly because anyone can read them and see gross contradictions to the other 66 accepted cannon books, and many others simply add nothing useful to the Gospel or cannon at all.

There is a small collection books that are considered to be possibly inspired by some denominations, such as the Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Enoch, Jasher and a few others. Some of these books are mentioned or even quoted in the 66 book cannon. But all these books are widely available for you to read today, and we have thousands of ancient manuscripts and to compare them with to see if any changes were made.

I personally disagree with a few of the books the Catholics included in their bible as well (7 books actually). The 66 canonized books have been widely accepted as the Word of God for almost 1/3 of human history. Some bibles include a few more books (such as the Catholics), but we have the ability to read them and decide for ourselves. The RCC didn't full authorize the 7 additional books until the 1500's.

I see nothing wrong with reading the other books that are not part of the 66 book cannon. Matter of fact, I think its a good idea for most Christians to read them at least once so they can consider what is in them for themselves. But always in the context that they are extra works outside of the Word of God.
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RE: Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because....
And the myths just keep coming. LMFAO
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(07-04-2015 12:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 11:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Arkansas voted down secession. Then Lincoln called for states to send troops to force those who had back into the union. Arkansas reconvened its convention which then voted to secede.

This is a lot more complex secession scenario than most people are taught or are aware of.

Arkansas would have probably remained, at least temporarily, in the union as a slave state if Lincoln had not intimated use of force.

So did Arkansas secede due to slavery...the threat of force against the other seceding states....a combination?

But we live in a time where it has to be boiled down to an easily digestible politically correct black and white snippet for the ignorant masses. There are no gray areas and no complexities to muddy the water tolerated.

This

yes, NC voted to not even hold a convention to consider secession, then Lincoln called for troops and we reluctantly seceded. NC always had a strong peace movement and a large amount of Union sentiment existed in the state, especially in the mountains.
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(07-04-2015 02:02 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(07-04-2015 12:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 11:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Arkansas voted down secession. Then Lincoln called for states to send troops to force those who had back into the union. Arkansas reconvened its convention which then voted to secede.

This is a lot more complex secession scenario than most people are taught or are aware of.

Arkansas would have probably remained, at least temporarily, in the union as a slave state if Lincoln had not intimated use of force.

So did Arkansas secede due to slavery...the threat of force against the other seceding states....a combination?

But we live in a time where it has to be boiled down to an easily digestible politically correct black and white snippet for the ignorant masses. There are no gray areas and no complexities to muddy the water tolerated.

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yes, NC voted to not even hold a convention to consider secession, then Lincoln called for troops and we reluctantly seceded. NC always had a strong peace movement and a large amount of Union sentiment existed in the state, especially in the mountains.
Modern political movements want a narrative that will support their current modern world-view and agendas. Any complexity or fact that is contrary is dismissed and either ridiculed or demonized. This applies to every movement whether it is the KKK, NAACP, Democratic Party, Nikki Haley, League of the South...whoever.

Its a disservice to those who fought on both sides.
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(07-04-2015 02:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-04-2015 02:02 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(07-04-2015 12:31 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 11:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Arkansas voted down secession. Then Lincoln called for states to send troops to force those who had back into the union. Arkansas reconvened its convention which then voted to secede.

This is a lot more complex secession scenario than most people are taught or are aware of.

Arkansas would have probably remained, at least temporarily, in the union as a slave state if Lincoln had not intimated use of force.

So did Arkansas secede due to slavery...the threat of force against the other seceding states....a combination?

But we live in a time where it has to be boiled down to an easily digestible politically correct black and white snippet for the ignorant masses. There are no gray areas and no complexities to muddy the water tolerated.

This

yes, NC voted to not even hold a convention to consider secession, then Lincoln called for troops and we reluctantly seceded. NC always had a strong peace movement and a large amount of Union sentiment existed in the state, especially in the mountains.
Modern political movements want a narrative that will support their current modern world-view and agendas. Any complexity or fact that is contrary is dismissed and either ridiculed or demonized. This applies to every movement whether it is the KKK, NAACP, Democratic Party, Nikki Haley, League of the South...whoever.

Its a disservice to those who fought on both sides.

Very true
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