(07-01-2015 05:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

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(07-01-2015 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:48 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  President Benson and the BOR's plans for EKU's future. This is just a few of the things mentioned last night. Notice that the east side (visitors side now in construction) shows a cost of 27 million NOT 15 as first reported. Also mentioned is a new practice facility as well as new baseball and softball stadiums. Very happy with the naming of a new baseball stadium as Earl Combs Stadium, who played for the Yankees, he was a very respected man (and family) in Richmond.
From today's Richmond Register:

Whats going on with your basketball facilities?

Alumni Coliseum is not new but it's better than what some of us have in the Belt

Yes it's better than some but the SBC has some very good basketball arenas also. UTSA has a great arena (best I seen in SBC or CUSA) and if they can fill it the noise will make it a hard place to win at. Troy did it right..small/compact but nice for their limited basketball fanbase (4th best behind UTSA, Western, UAB). UALR has a very nice arena...very good sight lines to watch a game (probably 6th best in SBC/CUSA). If UL-L could rearrange their seating to get them closer to the floor and a little lipstick the Cajundome would be a great basketball arena...a little too large but that was the model back when it was built.

EKU's Alumni Coliseum has the wall and needs updating but unless their fanbase grows by a ton I wouldn't change the character of the arena. Some very good players played there and a imposing place to play for the visiting team when they get a good crowd and the team gives them something to get in the game about. Some places needs a modern look and update..this is not one of those. Sometime the character of a building is just as important...as long as it fits your fanbase. This is one of those buildings.

If EKU joins the SBC add 2.5 seconds to your clock everytime you play a road basketball game there....

cost Western a trip to the NCAA tourney in our last year of the OVC because the game clock/horn did not go off till 2.5 seconds after time ran out. Well it did and the Western players stopped playing but the the time keeper said it didn't and EKU won on a shot 2.5 seconds after the game was over. About as bad as getting beat by 6 men on the court

UTSA? ?? I believe you mean U T A . . . .

All the U T A gets me confused and Western wasn't/hasn't been in the conference long enough with either..so there's the confusing.

UTA has a really nice arena, in a good part of town, with places to eat and park. Awful drunk students that spits on the cups of the visiting teams water and cusses the players out and some racial comments as they go get a cup of water. Takes away from something that is truly first class (the look on the outside and inside and the seating)... but I blame that more on the beer than anything.

Western hasn't made a road trip to Tx in CUSA ...football or basketball so I will have to wait till this season to form a opinion about the CUSA TX schools

(07-01-2015 08:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:33 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Whats going on with your basketball facilities?

Alumni Coliseum is not new but it's better than what some of us have in the Belt

Yes it's better than some but the SBC has some very good basketball arenas also. UTSA has a great arena (best I seen in SBC or CUSA) and if they can fill it the noise will make it a hard place to win at. Troy did it right..small/compact but nice for their limited basketball fanbase (4th best behind UTSA, Western, UAB). UALR has a very nice arena...very good sight lines to watch a game (probably 6th best in SBC/CUSA). If UL-L could rearrange their seating to get them closer to the floor and a little lipstick the Cajundome would be a great basketball arena...a little too large but that was the model back when it was built.

EKU's Alumni Coliseum has the wall and needs updating but unless their fanbase grows by a ton I wouldn't change the character of the arena. Some very good players played there and a imposing place to play for the visiting team when they get a good crowd and the team gives them something to get in the game about. Some places needs a modern look and update..this is not one of those. Sometime the character of a building is just as important...as long as it fits your fanbase. This is one of those buildings.

If EKU joins the SBC add 2.5 seconds to your clock everytime you play a road basketball game there....

cost Western a trip to the NCAA tourney in our last year of the OVC because the game clock/horn did not go off till 2.5 seconds after time ran out. Well it did and the Western players stopped playing but the the time keeper said it didn't and EKU won on a shot 2.5 seconds after the game was over. About as bad as getting beat by 6 men on the court

UTSA? ?? I believe you mean U T A . . . .

All the U T A gets me confused and Western wasn't/hasn't been in the conference long enough with either..so there's the confusing.

UTA has a really nice arena, in a good part of town, with places to eat and park. Awful drunk students that spits on the cups of the visiting teams water and cusses the players out and some racial comments as they go get a cup of water. Takes away from something that is truly first class (the look on the outside and inside and the seating)... but I blame that more on the beer than anything.

Western hasn't made a road trip to Tx in CUSA ...football or basketball so I will have to wait till this season to form a opinion about the CUSA TX schools

I wish you guys had stayed in The Belt . . . Think it would have been fun playing y'all... . . Don't blame you for taking the CUSA invite . . . With all those Texas teams in CUSA, I kinda wish we'd made the cut . . . .

(07-01-2015 03:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:33 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:48 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  President Benson and the BOR's plans for EKU's future. This is just a few of the things mentioned last night. Notice that the east side (visitors side now in construction) shows a cost of 27 million NOT 15 as first reported. Also mentioned is a new practice facility as well as new baseball and softball stadiums. Very happy with the naming of a new baseball stadium as Earl Combs Stadium, who played for the Yankees, he was a very respected man (and family) in Richmond.
From today's Richmond Register:

Quote:The campus master plan calls for more than $215 million in new facilities in the next four to six years.
Some key points of the plan I include:

• A $27 million east-side addition to Roy Kidd Stadium

• A $60 million center for student life

• Three new residence halls at $25 million each

• Up to $35 million to covert the Weaver Building into a new dining facility

• Up to $15 million for a wellness center/indoor practice facility

• Up to $7 million for other campus enhancements.

The last items include a baseball stadium to be named for Earle Combs, a former regents chair who was lead-off batter for the New York Yankees’ legendary “Murders Row,” and a softball stadium as well as a parking garage.

Whats going on with your basketball facilities?

Alumni Coliseum is not new but it's better than what some of us have in the Belt

Yes it's better than some but the SBC has some very good basketball arenas also. UTSA has a great arena (best I seen in SBC or CUSA) and if they can fill it the noise will make it a hard place to win at. Troy did it right..small/compact but nice for their limited basketball fanbase (4th best behind UTSA, Western, UAB). UALR has a very nice arena...very good sight lines to watch a game (probably 6th best in SBC/CUSA). If UL-L could rearrange their seating to get them closer to the floor and a little lipstick the Cajundome would be a great basketball arena...a little too large but that was the model back when it was built.

EKU's Alumni Coliseum has the wall and needs updating but unless their fanbase grows by a ton I wouldn't change the character of the arena. Some very good players played there and a imposing place to play for the visiting team when they get a good crowd and the team gives them something to get in the game about. Some places needs a modern look and update..this is not one of those. Sometime the character of a building is just as important...as long as it fits your fanbase. This is one of those buildings.

If EKU joins the SBC add 2.5 seconds to your clock everytime you play a road basketball game there....

cost Western a trip to the NCAA tourney in our last year of the OVC because the game clock/horn did not go off till 2.5 seconds after time ran out. Well it did and the Western players stopped playing but the the time keeper said it didn't and EKU won on a shot 2.5 seconds after the game was over. About as bad as getting beat by 6 men on the court

Come on WKUYG. Let's get this right. The old WKU t-shirts said:

You are now entering the Eastern time zone. Please add 3.5 seconds to your clock.

(07-01-2015 09:00 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:33 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:48 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  President Benson and the BOR's plans for EKU's future. This is just a few of the things mentioned last night. Notice that the east side (visitors side now in construction) shows a cost of 27 million NOT 15 as first reported. Also mentioned is a new practice facility as well as new baseball and softball stadiums. Very happy with the naming of a new baseball stadium as Earl Combs Stadium, who played for the Yankees, he was a very respected man (and family) in Richmond.
From today's Richmond Register:

Whats going on with your basketball facilities?

Alumni Coliseum is not new but it's better than what some of us have in the Belt

Yes it's better than some but the SBC has some very good basketball arenas also. UTSA has a great arena (best I seen in SBC or CUSA) and if they can fill it the noise will make it a hard place to win at. Troy did it right..small/compact but nice for their limited basketball fanbase (4th best behind UTSA, Western, UAB). UALR has a very nice arena...very good sight lines to watch a game (probably 6th best in SBC/CUSA). If UL-L could rearrange their seating to get them closer to the floor and a little lipstick the Cajundome would be a great basketball arena...a little too large but that was the model back when it was built.

EKU's Alumni Coliseum has the wall and needs updating but unless their fanbase grows by a ton I wouldn't change the character of the arena. Some very good players played there and a imposing place to play for the visiting team when they get a good crowd and the team gives them something to get in the game about. Some places needs a modern look and update..this is not one of those. Sometime the character of a building is just as important...as long as it fits your fanbase. This is one of those buildings.

If EKU joins the SBC add 2.5 seconds to your clock everytime you play a road basketball game there....

cost Western a trip to the NCAA tourney in our last year of the OVC because the game clock/horn did not go off till 2.5 seconds after time ran out. Well it did and the Western players stopped playing but the the time keeper said it didn't and EKU won on a shot 2.5 seconds after the game was over. About as bad as getting beat by 6 men on the court

Come on WKUYG. Let's get this right. The old WKU t-shirts said:

You are now entering the Eastern time zone. Please add 3.5 seconds to your clock.

I was at the game. What truly happened was that everyone kept playing until a whistle blew to call a foul on WKU. The refs looked and saw that there was no time on the clock. They went to the timekeeper who wasn't sure if the foul was called before or after the time ran out since no one could hear the horn go off. The two scoreboards then were on the walls above all the seating. With the laminated wood arch ceiling, all the crowd noise goes straight to the floor. Anyway, it took about 15 minutes for the refs to use the rule that if the a call is made and the officials are not sure if time was still in, the call stands. Gene Keady was the HC for WKU and he was madder than you know what. Anyway, Dave Tierney from EKU hits two free throws to win the game by 1. Early the next week a stop watch was taken to the film of the game and the foul didn't get called until 3.5 seconds after the game should have been over.

mark twain supposedly said when the world ends he wanted to be in kentucky because it was 20 years behind the times.

looks like you can add another 15 years to the eastern part of the commonwealth. all of these proposals the eku prez is making were started 15 years ago by our president dr. gary ransdell. a total transformation of the campus, all the athletic facilities, and positioned us for the move to fbs and eventual move to cusa.

(07-01-2015 09:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  mark twain supposedly said when the world ends he wanted to be in kentucky because it was 20 years behind the times.

looks like you can add another 15 years to the eastern part of the commonwealth. all of these proposals the eku prez is making were started 15 years ago by our president dr. gary ransdell. a total transformation of the campus, all the athletic facilities, and positioned us for the move to fbs and eventual move to cusa.

Maybe so, but at least someone is trying to move the school forward.

Got nothing better to do than to troll, eh dahbeed?

(07-01-2015 09:17 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 09:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  mark twain supposedly said when the world ends he wanted to be in kentucky because it was 20 years behind the times.

looks like you can add another 15 years to the eastern part of the commonwealth. all of these proposals the eku prez is making were started 15 years ago by our president dr. gary ransdell. a total transformation of the campus, all the athletic facilities, and positioned us for the move to fbs and eventual move to cusa.

Maybe so, but at least someone is trying to move the school forward.

Got nothing better to do than to troll, eh dahbeed?

that's not trolling. that is stating FACT. everything you have 'proposed' to do we started doing 15 years ago. all you have to do is visit both campuses to see the stark difference between the two. nice to see eastern emulating western. it's the natural order of the universe.

it appears you finally have a president that isn't stuck somewhere up roy kidd's butt. congrats if you get the sunbelt invite. i hope you have the money to fund all those projects because you won't be getting much from the commonwealth. they even tried to block the deal we made with the city of bowling green to renovate diddle arena. they were shocked when they found out there was nothing they could do to stop it.

as if gary ransdell hadn't done his due diligence on it.

(07-01-2015 09:25 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 09:17 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 09:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  mark twain supposedly said when the world ends he wanted to be in kentucky because it was 20 years behind the times.

looks like you can add another 15 years to the eastern part of the commonwealth. all of these proposals the eku prez is making were started 15 years ago by our president dr. gary ransdell. a total transformation of the campus, all the athletic facilities, and positioned us for the move to fbs and eventual move to cusa.

Maybe so, but at least someone is trying to move the school forward.

Got nothing better to do than to troll, eh dahbeed?

that's not trolling. that is stating FACT. everything you have 'proposed' to do we started doing 15 years ago. all you have to do is visit both campuses to see the stark difference between the two. nice to see eastern emulating western. it's the natural order of the universe.

it appears you finally have a president that isn't stuck somewhere up roy kidd's butt. congrats if you get the sunbelt invite. i hope you have the money to fund all those projects because you won't be getting much from the commonwealth. they even tried to block the deal we made with the city of bowling green to renovate diddle arena. they were shocked when they found out there was nothing they could do to stop it.

as if gary ransdell hadn't done his due diligence on it.

Props to a Western. You had a progressive president that got the job done, there's no denying it, he has served you well. That, while we had leadership with little or no notion of what needed to be done. And it had nothing to do with anything negative regarding Roy Kidd. Had it not been for Coach Kidd and his abilities while suffering thru a president that hated all athletics, especially football (Funderburke) we would have had non scholly football. So don't let your obvious jealousy of Roy Kidd and his accomplishments cloud what you think happened at EKU. Roy Kidd and football under his leadership was successful despite poor presidential support. We finally have a president and BOR that gets it. BTW, We know exactly how state government works for the big blue nation and not anyone else. So don't get on your high horse there, we have been around that block!

Maybe all of the UK connections coaching as well as teaching on EKU's campus will get them more money than WKU got for all of our projects...Its really amazing though EKU is just now doing this....WKU's campus compared to EKU's right now is really remarkable....You do feel like you are going back in time when you step foot on EKU's campus, I am surprised they have as many students as they do just based of looks of their own campus....EKU needs a lot of work, amazing it took this long to get something done, but that is what happens when you are UK Tech and UK's police department...

(07-01-2015 05:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:33 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:48 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  President Benson and the BOR's plans for EKU's future. This is just a few of the things mentioned last night. Notice that the east side (visitors side now in construction) shows a cost of 27 million NOT 15 as first reported. Also mentioned is a new practice facility as well as new baseball and softball stadiums. Very happy with the naming of a new baseball stadium as Earl Combs Stadium, who played for the Yankees, he was a very respected man (and family) in Richmond.
From today's Richmond Register:

Whats going on with your basketball facilities?

Alumni Coliseum is not new but it's better than what some of us have in the Belt

Yes it's better than some but the SBC has some very good basketball arenas also. UTSA has a great arena (best I seen in SBC or CUSA) and if they can fill it the noise will make it a hard place to win at. Troy did it right..small/compact but nice for their limited basketball fanbase (4th best behind UTSA, Western, UAB). UALR has a very nice arena...very good sight lines to watch a game (probably 6th best in SBC/CUSA). If UL-L could rearrange their seating to get them closer to the floor and a little lipstick the Cajundome would be a great basketball arena...a little too large but that was the model back when it was built.

EKU's Alumni Coliseum has the wall and needs updating but unless their fanbase grows by a ton I wouldn't change the character of the arena. Some very good players played there and a imposing place to play for the visiting team when they get a good crowd and the team gives them something to get in the game about. Some places needs a modern look and update..this is not one of those. Sometime the character of a building is just as important...as long as it fits your fanbase. This is one of those buildings.

If EKU joins the SBC add 2.5 seconds to your clock everytime you play a road basketball game there....

cost Western a trip to the NCAA tourney in our last year of the OVC because the game clock/horn did not go off till 2.5 seconds after time ran out. Well it did and the Western players stopped playing but the the time keeper said it didn't and EKU won on a shot 2.5 seconds after the game was over. About as bad as getting beat by 6 men on the court

UTSA? ?? I believe you mean U T A . . . .

must mean uta as utsa plays in the small convocation center..and it is not new

(07-02-2015 07:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Maybe all of the UK connections coaching as well as teaching on EKU's campus will get them more money than WKU got for all of our projects...Its really amazing though EKU is just now doing this....WKU's campus compared to EKU's right now is really remarkable....You do feel like you are going back in time when you step foot on EKU's campus, I am surprised they have as many students as they do just based of looks of their own campus....EKU needs a lot of work, amazing it took this long to get something done, but that is what happens when you are UK Tech and UK's police department...

Ignorant comments by scared Western folk.

Makes me wonder why uk would not work against an EKU move(esp. behind the scenes).They have certainly worked against other state schools in the past.I do not trust uk at all.

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 07:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Maybe all of the UK connections coaching as well as teaching on EKU's campus will get them more money than WKU got for all of our projects...Its really amazing though EKU is just now doing this....WKU's campus compared to EKU's right now is really remarkable....You do feel like you are going back in time when you step foot on EKU's campus, I am surprised they have as many students as they do just based of looks of their own campus....EKU needs a lot of work, amazing it took this long to get something done, but that is what happens when you are UK Tech and UK's police department...

Ignorant comments by scared Western folk.

Scared of what?
Everything I said was facts, you guys are 15 years behind...hopefully that's enough to get you into FBS, I am just stating facts...

Yea UK is not going to want another FBS school in the state, that is for sure...

Even if EKU gets the funding you are still probably 6 years away from actually getting most of it..below is Westerns

EKU cannot initiate any capital construction project in an amount that exceeds $600,000 without prior approval of the Kentucky General Assembly. An exception is made for projects whereby greater than 50 percent of the cost is funded by private gifts or federal funds.

Here's a example...Western put it in the2002- 2010 plans was fully approved 2012 and finished last year



Board of Regents approves Six-Year Capital Plan


The Board of Regents approved the WKU Six-Year Capital Plan on Friday.

The plan includes 41 proposed facilities projects, which will cost over $420 million total to complete.

The projects concern construction, maintenance and renovation of facilities on campus, budgeted separately from the university’s operating budget.

Bryan Russell, chief facilities officer, said the plan will be submitted for state funding.

“The Six-Year Capital Plan is a needs-assessment of projects we’d like to do on campus,” Russell said.

He said the state funds a project every six to 10 years.

Barbara Burch, faculty regent, said the Six-Year Capital Plan comprises all the projects the university hopes to get funded by the state.

"The Capital Plan is a wish-list of all the things the university would like to do," she said.

Burch said the items on the list are subject to change in priority at any time, so the plan will be an ongoing discussion.

The top priority project on the list is to construct a new Gordon Ford College of Business and renovate Grise Hall.

The first project will cost $97.2 million, and the second project, which will update the underground infrastructure, will cost $30 million.

The Board of Regent’s request form states the university developed the plan through integrating priorities in the 2014-2020 Master Plan with capital priorities for higher education outlined by the Council on Postsecondary Education.

The university will submit the plan to the Capital Planning Advisory Board and the CPE on April 15.

The CPE will review capital spending requests and make recommendations to the governor and the general assembly for the biennial budgets between 2016-2022.

Burch said the university will wait to see if there is money at the state level to fund the projects.

"The fiscal situation is such that it is a tough call," she said. "It's a very tough year for funding of everything, but we certainly remain hopeful."

I knew I had this somewhere I just had to find the file...

below will show you how slow the State will move on some projects..The Downing Center was 10 years in the making on getting fully fund


Diddle Arena was turned down by the State on funding so Western did a end around and went in partnership with the city of Bowling Green to get the bonding...at first the state still said no but in the end they agreed to let BG issue the bonds



I'm not saying or showing this to in any way say EKU can't do it or get it done...but asking, planning, wanting is a lot different than actually getting approved

Here's my take on the You, Western folks, whining about what You think we can't do that you have already done.
1. Great. Your university stood up to the plate 15 + years ago. No one, especially EKU fans wish to take anything away from Western's accomplishments. Kudos to you! Congratulations for all that's been done. I can't say more that would make you understand that we KNOW your university has pushed ahead. Good news! Great! Fantastic! Happy for you! Can we wallow in it enough to make you happy?
2. What you have done has nothing to do with us. We have had very poor leadership for the last 30 years. We now have a great President and a supportive BOR, let's give them some credit. They are are SMART enough to know the task ahead and they certainly know more than I do, and Western fans in BG, what needs to happen and how to make it so. Do you REALLY think Western's administration know more, or are smarter or more in tune with KY state government? Really, do you? I would think that President Benson and the EKU BOR are very much aware of the task ahead, just as Western's administration know what they face in funding issues. Please, don't act like somehow Western knows something no one else does!
3. Your 'dooms day' scenario regarding EKU makes YOU look bad and comes across as if you ARE scared we will succeed. Let me put it another way. We don't worry about what Murray State and/or Morehead State are doing. We don't get on message boards and call them out and say look at us, don't you wish you were us, etc., etc. however, in essence that's what you all are doing. You do yourselves no favors in most people's eyes when you pat yourselves on the back, toot your own horn and criticize others for building their university!

(07-02-2015 04:17 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  Here's my take on the You, Western folks, whining about what You think we can't do that you have already done.
1. Great. Your university stood up to the plate 15 + years ago. No one, especially EKU fans wish to take anything away from Western's accomplishments. Kudos to you! Congratulations for all that's been done. I can't say more that would make you understand that we KNOW your university has pushed ahead. Good news! Great! Fantastic! Happy for you! Can we wallow in it enough to make you happy?
2. What you have done has nothing to do with us. We have had very poor leadership for the last 30 years. We now have a great President and a supportive BOR, let's give them some credit. They are are SMART enough to know the task ahead and they certainly know more than I do, and Western fans in BG, what needs to happen and how to make it so. Do you REALLY think Western's administration know more, or are smarter or more in tune with KY state government? Really, do you? I would think that President Benson and the EKU BOR are very much aware of the task ahead, just as Western's administration know what they face in funding issues. Please, don't act like somehow Western knows something no one else does!
3. Your 'dooms day' scenario regarding EKU makes YOU look bad and comes across as if you ARE scared we will succeed. Let me put it another way. We don't worry about what Murray State and/or Morehead State are doing. We don't get on message boards and call them out and say look at us, don't you wish you were us, etc., etc. however, in essence that's what you all are doing. You do yourselves no favors in most people's eyes when you pat yourselves on the back, toot your own horn and criticize others for building their university!

I think you have that backwards...

it's making you look like a jealous fool because it's mostly you that's coming off being petty looking. This is a messageboard where you posted EKU's 6 year plan, maybe it was 5 years. Just like us KY folkes don't know who the state government works in Ark or Texas...I was pointing out for the information value how it works in KY. To be honest I think I laid it out a lot better than you.

You posted EKU's 6 or was it 5 year plan ...great! it looks like EKU are getting their ducks lined up. But that's just a fiest step...as I pointed out. As I also pointed out sometimes...no most of the time it could take 5 to 10 years to see funding for most of the plans.

So it's you that's coming off as a whinny little fan. Now this is the SBC board and I wont response to another post. My info was not for EKU fans but info most of the other fans on this board probably didn't have a clear understanding of. It's probably similar in all of our states..WE ALL ARE 2ND CLASS but still it was information

Come on WKUGuy..." Jealous fool"... Hah! I think not, it makes you look exactly what your are, and I'll stand by it...afraid we will succeed. When you resort to name calling, you have no argument. I am not "jealous", I have been in this world too long to waste my time on that little green monster. There will always be those who have more money, more prestige, more clout, etc., etc. ( think uk here). So, here's what I take from your messages and what I think you exactly mean to imply. Western has been working on their brand for some time, building, asking for money, blah, blah, blah. It takes time, and EKU does not understand what it takes and we don't think they can do it and we want to make sure we tell everyone ( as you "pointed out") on the Sun Belt board the 'facts' as i/Western guy sees it. Cut and dry, that's exactly what it sound like. So, if that's NOT your point, what in the world is it?

Makes me wonder why uk would not work against an EKU move(esp. behind the scenes).They have certainly worked against other state schools in the past.I do not trust uk at all.

Can this argument between two schools that aren't even SBC members be moved elsewhere?