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(06-30-2015 04:00 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:40 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 07:30 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(06-29-2015 07:55 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Based off what exactly?
Has any conference even named them as a top candidate? Don't' meet B1G academic requirements or have a blue blood FB program- Sorry that's a no go. ACC has already passed on UConn several times with no reason to believe they are interested in another basketball brand with weak football. It's a longshot at best in the Big 12. I don't see reason to think they are an automatic for the next spot. If any school should expect an invite that it's Cinci IMO as they fit the BIg 12 and ACC better.

My recollection is that UConn was next in line if Syracuse or Pitt had turned the ACC down and that they were the presumptive favorite to get Louisville's slot when Maryland went to the B1G. So they've been the bridesmaid a couple of times, it doesn't mean conferences are not interested. They are the state flagship in the largest state without a P5 school, have excellent academics, have an incredible fan base, and would give additional presence in the NYC market to any conference that added them.



If ACC loses schools? UCF, Cincinnati, NAVY, Temple, U. Conn. and ARMY would be more attractive than any Big 12 rejects. There is way too much open country between Texas and the east coast.
LOL. The butthurt is strong with this one.

FSU and Clemson will surely bolt if the ACC adds another weak FB brand to further hurt their chances to get in the playoff. As it is they need to start the season in the top 10, go undefeated with OkState, Notre Dame,and Florida in OOC play, win the ACC CCG, and be lucky to get the #4 spot ahead of a 1 loss bible school from the Big 12 who did not go undefeated, did no win their conference, and best OOC game was Minnesota.

[/b]You do realize that essentially most ACC teams literally have no chance of getting in the playoff even if they go undefeated since most don't play a tough OOC schedule right?

Reality is a real downer for folks like you. Reality is that any of the Big 12 leftovers are more attractive than adding AAC schools.

Why do fans like yourself get all butthurt? Seriously. The whole "he said something true about my school/conference so I'm going to make up some ridiculous statement about how worthless all those schools are to get back at him" mentality is quite childish.

Do you really think FSU wants to play against Temple/Navy or TCU/Baylor?
Says the dude whose conference got left out of the playoffs in year one, while the ACC team made the playoffs.

LOL. I just love how the conversation always ends up getting switched when someones feelers get hurt. The Discussion about UConn being next and how they fit into ACC expansion ends up with butthurt, change of subject, and talking about the Big 12 getting in the playoffs.

If you want to get technical the Big 12 would have missed the playoffs in 2012 and 2013 as well. Is that what you want to talk about instead?
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(06-30-2015 04:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 04:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  All plausible choices, *If* the Big <XII chose to expand. Which I don't think will happen in the next 5-6 years, at any rate.

I've said before that BYU is far and away the most obvious pick for #11. If they were to be somehow passed-over in favor of a program in the AAC, or the Mountain, or whatever, that would be an absolutely devastating blow to BYU's image/prestige.

By the way, do people still know what "the Reader's Digest version" means? Does that magazine even exist anymore?


If BYU moves their whole university and football stadium closer to West Virginia? Yes, they will be accepted, but they are west coast and they are out of the expansion talks unless ACC takes West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, NAVY and East Carolina.

Have to side with "Native Georgian" here and not just because he's giving props to my school. BYU's averaged over 60K for over 30 years, and would step into the conference with the third largest stadium. Even after years of being in the SWC/Big 8/Big East/Big 12, all reputable and BCS conferences, only two teams have built larger stadiums, let alone fill it during good years and the bad.

Schools such Cincy, UCF, etc... may have higher ceilings than BYU, but they have much, much lower floors. You don't have to worry about BYU only getting 40K out to a game. The other schools under consideration may consider that size of crowd a real coup.

If you are trying to prop up your conference, you have to take teams with a real following. If that means an extra hour on a flight, it is a small price to pay for not having to worry about teams jumping off the ship.
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(06-30-2015 04:57 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  
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(06-30-2015 04:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  All plausible choices, *If* the Big <XII chose to expand. Which I don't think will happen in the next 5-6 years, at any rate.

I've said before that BYU is far and away the most obvious pick for #11. If they were to be somehow passed-over in favor of a program in the AAC, or the Mountain, or whatever, that would be an absolutely devastating blow to BYU's image/prestige.

By the way, do people still know what "the Reader's Digest version" means? Does that magazine even exist anymore?


If BYU moves their whole university and football stadium closer to West Virginia? Yes, they will be accepted, but they are west coast and they are out of the expansion talks unless ACC takes West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, NAVY and East Carolina.

Have to side with "Native Georgian" here and not just because he's giving props to my school. BYU's averaged over 60K for over 30 years, and would step into the conference with the third largest stadium. Even after years of being in the SWC/Big 8/Big East/Big 12, all reputable and BCS conferences, only two teams have built larger stadiums, let alone fill it during good years and the bad.

Schools such Cincy, UCF, etc... may have higher ceilings than BYU, but they have much, much lower floors. You don't have to worry about BYU only getting 40K out to a game. The other schools under consideration may consider that size of crowd a real coup.

If you are trying to prop up your conference, you have to take teams with a real following. If that means an extra hour on a flight, it is a small price to pay for not having to worry about teams jumping off the ship.



Big 12 already said that the expansion teams will be east and no Texas schools. BYU and Houston are out.
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(06-30-2015 04:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-29-2015 07:07 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The Reader's Digest version is they name UC, BYU, UCF, and Memphis as top candidates.
All plausible choices, *If* the Big <XII chose to expand. Which I don't think will happen in the next 5-6 years, at any rate.

I've said before that BYU is far and away the most obvious pick for #11. If they were to be somehow passed-over in favor of a program in the AAC, or the Mountain, or whatever, that would be an absolutely devastating blow to BYU's image/prestige.

By the way, do people still know what "the Reader's Digest version" means? Does that magazine even exist anymore?

It does still exist, I just ordered a subscription for my father in law. He read them when he traveled to visit us cause apparently the people we bought our house from had a subscription and we still received them here. As to whether or not people get the reference, you'd have to ask the millenials on this board.
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(06-30-2015 02:47 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:46 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  The sneaky bump you hear in the night...ECU comin-atcha B12!

Any truth to the rumor that ECU was going to rebrand as Carolina Tech?

Rumor? You need a source to throw that out.

North Carolina already has a "Tech"- North Carolina A&T.
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RE: Fox Sports top candidates for B12
(06-30-2015 09:19 PM)chess Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:47 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:46 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  The sneaky bump you hear in the night...ECU comin-atcha B12!

Any truth to the rumor that ECU was going to rebrand as Carolina Tech?

Rumor? You need a source to throw that out.

North Carolina already has a "Tech"- North Carolina A&T.
Sounds like something from a Big 12 board. My bad.

How About Carolina A&M? JK
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How bout we rebrand & modernize with more contemporary Pirates?

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(06-30-2015 11:41 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  How bout we rebrand & modernize with more contemporary Pirates?

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(06-30-2015 02:40 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
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(06-29-2015 07:37 PM)Shox Wrote:  The Big 12 brass does not want any "commuter" schools in the conference which is the reason UC and UL are not in it today. It is arrogance at its finest. OU and KU will go to the B1G, while UT and Tech head west. At that point Memphis, UC, Houston USF, and UCF will get the call and we will start the death cycle once again. Within a few years the SEC will want more markets and if it can't poach the ACC, that leaves OSU, KSU, and WVU as the only worthy expansion candidates and we will basically be left with CUSA 8.0 as they all try to continue and win the lottery. It is funny but with all the changes we have had, only 3 schools have joined the P5 (Louisville, TCU, and Utah while only 2 or maybe 3 schools have actually worsened their position (UC, UCONN and perhaps BYU.) UCONN being the one with the largest grievance but also best hope to join the P5.
Based off what exactly?
Has any conference even named them as a top candidate? Don't' meet B1G academic requirements or have a blue blood FB program- Sorry that's a no go. ACC has already passed on UConn several times with no reason to believe they are interested in another basketball brand with weak football. It's a longshot at best in the Big 12. I don't see reason to think they are an automatic for the next spot. If any school should expect an invite that it's Cinci IMO as they fit the BIg 12 and ACC better.

My recollection is that UConn was next in line if Syracuse or Pitt had turned the ACC down and that they were the presumptive favorite to get Louisville's slot when Maryland went to the B1G. So they've been the bridesmaid a couple of times, it doesn't mean conferences are not interested. They are the state flagship in the largest state without a P5 school, have excellent academics, have an incredible fan base, and would give additional presence in the NYC market to any conference that added them.



If ACC loses schools? UCF, Cincinnati, NAVY, Temple, U. Conn. and ARMY would be more attractive than any Big 12 rejects. There is way too much open country between Texas and the east coast.
LOL. The butthurt is strong with this one.

FSU and Clemson will surely bolt if the ACC adds another weak FB brand to further hurt their chances to get in the playoff. As it is they need to start the season in the top 10, go undefeated with OkState, Notre Dame,and Florida in OOC play, win the ACC CCG, and be lucky to get the #4 spot ahead of a 1 loss bible school from the Big 12 who did not go undefeated, did no win their conference, and best OOC game was Minnesota.

You do realize that essentially most ACC teams literally have no chance of getting in the playoff even if they go undefeated since most don't play a tough OOC schedule right?

Reality is a real downer for folks like you. Reality is that any of the Big 12 leftovers are more attractive than adding AAC schools.

Why do fans like yourself get all butthurt? Seriously. The whole "he said something true about my school/conference so I'm going to make up some ridiculous statement about how worthless all those schools are to get back at him" mentality is quite childish.

Do you really think FSU wants to play against Temple/Navy or TCU/Baylor?

Most ACC schools have virtually no chance of making the CFP, but it has nothing to do with their OOC schedules. On average, the ACC plays the hardest OOC schedules among the P5, largely because they play more games against the SEC.

The ACC's problem is the same as the Big Ten's problem. They have weaker conference schedules than the other 3 P5's.
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FSU problem last year wasn't who they played but how they played.
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Clay Travis at OutkickTheCoverage had an interesting slant on B12 expansion:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115
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(06-30-2015 02:40 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Do you really think FSU wants to play against Temple....?

Probably not, because most of their fans, like Louisville's, have forgotten their past. Memphis has played FSU and Louisville a total of 65 times, winning over 40% (not counting one tie vs FSU).
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(07-01-2015 11:37 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(06-30-2015 02:40 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Do you really think FSU wants to play against Temple....?

Probably not, because most of their fans, like Louisville's, have forgotten their past. Memphis has played FSU and Louisville a total of 65 times, winning over 40% (not counting one tie vs FSU).

Did you ever get a list of football accomplishments for Memphis put together? I'd love to see it.
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Also where does Memphis rank in US news rankings? I can't seem to find them.
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(07-01-2015 11:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  FSU problem last year wasn't who they played but how they played.

Like many on these boards who have broken down what school/team would/could actually increase Big 12's revenue base, IMHO, the only REAL expansion candidates as others have mentioned are the f-ball ACC schools;G Tech, FSU, Clemson, &/or V Tech.

The $60 million buyout to leave the ACC was negotiated to under $30 million by Maryland. So, precedent has been set & don't think schools like FSU & Clemson are noticing the difference in the revenue stream between them & Little Big 12 schools like Iowa St & Kansas. It wouldn't B surprising when the next Big 12 TV contract comes up for negotiation that some of those f-ball oriented ACC schools will B all ears.
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(07-01-2015 11:28 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Clay Travis at OutkickTheCoverage had an interesting slant on B12 expansion:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Interesting. Travis has had some wild speculation out there before. Some has come to fruition, some has not. His best-case scenario:

Add Cincy, UCF and/or USF, and Memphis, and maybe BYU if you only add one FL school.
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I think there are really only 3 top notch candidates....

Boise State, BYU, and UCF

I think BYU would be looked at as #11

If they went to #14, I'd throw Cincinnati into the mix
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I don't think there's anyone worth adding. But if we had to pick two, it should be BYU and Memphis. Houston would be 3rd choice.

BYU is heads above any other non-P5 school. Memphis has far more potential to become a Louisville than Cincinnati, Houston, UCF or USF. They were just the same as Louisville 25 years ago. Houston, has at least proven they can compete in the big time.
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(07-01-2015 12:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone worth adding. But if we had to pick two, it should be BYU and Memphis. Houston would be 3rd choice.

BYU is heads above any other non-P5 school. Memphis has far more potential to become a Louisville than Cincinnati, Houston, UCF or USF. They were just the same as Louisville 25 years ago. Houston, has at least proven they can compete in the big time.

I think Boise State and UCF are there....

UCF can compete in Florida....there's room there

Boise State is there athletically, and could be Nebraska-west. They need better facilities and better academics, but the brand name is there, more so than any other non-BCS conference team

I'm not impressed with Memphis
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(07-01-2015 01:08 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(07-01-2015 12:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone worth adding. But if we had to pick two, it should be BYU and Memphis. Houston would be 3rd choice.

BYU is heads above any other non-P5 school. Memphis has far more potential to become a Louisville than Cincinnati, Houston, UCF or USF. They were just the same as Louisville 25 years ago. Houston, has at least proven they can compete in the big time.

I think Boise State and UCF are there....

UCF can compete in Florida....there's room there

Boise State is there athletically, and could be Nebraska-west. They need better facilities and better academics, but the brand name is there, more so than any other non-BCS conference team

I'm not impressed with Memphis

UCF and USF are #4 and #5 in Florida. The SEC and ACC dominate that state. So you would be getting someone way down the list in the state and would have trouble getting attention. It would also create yet another island for the Big 12 surrounded by other conferences. And you have the pro sports issue, less so in Orlando than Tampa, but you aren't that far from the NFL and the I-4 corridor has all 4 major sports.

UCF might turn out to be the best of the G5, but they would still be a mistake for the Big 12.
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Every state the P5 split involves the #1 school in one conference and the #2 in a different conference. Noone is picking up #4 or #5.
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