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RE: FSU to add new sport?
This is a VERY simple subject....no matter how poorly Wilcox speaks (which he does regularly).

FSU is not adding a mens sport......it can't, it won't, it doesn't need to. You will NOT see it in your lifetime.

It is all about $$$.

There are 3 sports that make money or break even at FSU: Football, basketball, and baseball. So FSU won't cut one of those......as you already know but for some odd reason wanted to bring it up.


This is about title 9. Just adding a women's sport....because the Fed Govt says it has to......and FSU will comply, because it has to, with the cheapest method possible.

Sports that already have some coaching in place and infrastructure will have a lead in this situation. Like the case with Sand Volleyball.

So whether that is bowling, Lacrosse, or Tri......it doesn't matter. What is cheaper?


It is almost certainly not Lacrosse and given UF has a head start with that program....makes the least amount of sense. But hey, I have seen FSU's athletic dept. do a lot that doesn't make sense...so ya never know.

I think Tri is likely the cheapest so that is what I think happens. But if FSU was smart, it would cut a man's sport.


FSU has a HUGE fan base that wants to add sports.....but NONE of em want to write a bigger check to make it happen (see last time FSU raised booster dues).
06-30-2015 02:31 PM
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RE: FSU to add new sport?
Again, adding beach volleyball was to satisfy Title IX compliance. Adding athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex is in and of itself supposed to satisfy Title IX. Nobody said a men's sport would be added soon or that it would even be added in the future. UF having lacrosse is not a reason to not add it. It's actually a positive that there are two DI programs driving distance to Tallahassee. If lacrosse was too cost prohibitive, why even mention it? Why not just say "We are considering several options for women's sports at this time, including the emerging sport of triathlon"? We already have the soccer field that doesn't host competition in the spring. No doubt it will be more expensive than triathlon, I just don't think that should be the sole deciding factor, nor do I think it will be.

Wilcox also said FSU was looking to build a multi-sport indoor complex as well as an athletic center separate from the current Moore Center. All of this is in addition to the ongoing renovations at Doak, the recent renovations at the civic center, the future expansion of the basketball practice facility, the recent completion of a football dorm and the indoor practice facility. They also discussed a new volleyball venue, how FSU is one of the few ADs in the black, and how it transferred $2.5M to the University last year.

FSU is far from loaded but it is not in a state of financial distress. And to #goacc fanboys, that doesn't mean it's acceptable to allow the SEC an Big Ten to outpace the ACC by $10M+.
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(06-30-2015 05:39 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Again, adding beach volleyball was to satisfy Title IX compliance. Adding athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex is in and of itself supposed to satisfy Title IX. Nobody said a men's sport would be added soon or that it would even be added in the future. UF having lacrosse is not a reason to not add it. It's actually a positive that there are two DI programs driving distance to Tallahassee. If lacrosse was too cost prohibitive, why even mention it? Why not just say "We are considering several options for women's sports at this time, including the emerging sport of triathlon"? We already have the soccer field that doesn't host competition in the spring. No doubt it will be more expensive than triathlon, I just don't think that should be the sole deciding factor, nor do I think it will be.

Wilcox also said FSU was looking to build a multi-sport indoor complex as well as an athletic center separate from the current Moore Center. All of this is in addition to the ongoing renovations at Doak, the recent renovations at the civic center, the future expansion of the basketball practice facility, the recent completion of a football dorm and the indoor practice facility. They also discussed a new volleyball venue, how FSU is one of the few ADs in the black, and how it transferred $2.5M to the University last year.

FSU is far from loaded but it is not in a state of financial distress
. And to #goacc fanboys, that doesn't mean it's acceptable to allow the SEC an Big Ten to outpace the ACC by $10M+.

Good subject....but I know for a fact FSU can't afford Wilcox's mutil purpose indoor complex along with the CRITICAL Doak Renovation and Civic Center Renovation.

Those in the know have suggested that the mere proposal shows just how lost as an AD he is.

Frankly, FSU isn't sure it can afford the Doak renovation right now (and I am not just talking about the new endzone).....and the Civic Center is only being nickeled and dimed.

There is fear that the idiot running our athletic dept would push the multi purpose before securing the needed Doak Renovation and possibly endangering it.

He will be fired soon (1-2 years when payoff money goes down), but he has no idea what he is doing.

FYI, The Doak renovation is going to be $200-$300 Million.......I hope you don't believe FSU can really afford that long with those other projects.....it can't. Maybe over 15-20 years....but Doak needs to be renovated now. The steel infrastructure is no longer safe and the VERY expensive temporary renovations only delay things for a short time, while putting huge dent in budget.
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RE: FSU to add new sport?
We've already had this conversation about the Doak renovations. There's also zero chance Boosters funds any large-scale non-football/basketball project before at least having definitive plans in place in how to complete the football/baskeball renovations/expansions. Anyone truly worried about that is being foolish. I hardly consider new seats, a new center court scoreboard, new ribbon boards, and 4 corner arena scoreboards, renovated locker rooms, the planned doubling in size of the practice facility, and long-term goal of surrounding the civic center with academic buildings like Doak to enhance its visual appeal is a "nickel and dime" operation. Is it the best basketball arena out there? Nope. Not even close. But this doesn't look nickel an dime to me.

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This:
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sorry.....the TLCC is a dive...and I am a season tix holder.

Those behind the basket seats are about 3 miles from the court. USF fixed a similar issue, it cost them around $35-$40 Million. Let me know when FSU fixes that and the outside which the consider an issue (I don't really....but they do).

Of course Wilcox can't do it without boosters....but he has tried to push his baby first....he won't succeed....but he tried. Because he is a moron.


My point is correct FSU can only do the bare minimum here in order (in conjunction with coming HUGE expendatures needed to keep up with SEC football peers):

*Add cheap title 9 sport due to Fed reg.

*Fix Doak (permanent fix, not temporary)

*Finish TLCC

*Whatever FSU has money for in 15 years that Wilcox wants.


.....I know you like to debate just for debate sake....not even sure what you are arguing about here. But this is the reality of FSU's situation.
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Nole...FSU is in a lot better situation than most ACC schools...yet those schools do renovations and add women's sports. Are you saying the State will not send any money for the renovations?
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(07-01-2015 08:09 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Nole...FSU is in a lot better situation than most ACC schools...yet those schools do renovations and add women's sports. Are you saying the State will not send any money for the renovations?

Yes and no.

The state will not fund athletic facilities......but FSU has done some creative things for SOME areas to get around that. For a recent tennis facility, they share it with students (non athletes) that allowed it to get some funding. For the stadium, they put classrooms around it and got the state to pay for SOME that . But state won't pay for athletics in general.

Side note, the state of Florida is one of the worst funding state govts in the US (think #48 out of 50). It also forces univ. to charge one of the lowest tuitions (also around 48 out of 50). In addition, FSU has the smallest per student endowment in the ACC (around $10K per student.....Duke is over $100K per student).

FSU has money issue.....it just isn't always smart enough to know it does. And I promise you the fan base is highly ignorant on these issues.
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RE: FSU to add new sport?
You say doom and gloom.

I say not.

Same ****. Different thread. For whatever reason you can't meet in the middle when FSU clearly isn't struggling financially. That's not too say it's loaded, either.
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Can't argue with your emotion. Just listed the priority and the financial realities of the order they will come. Folks get emotional for some reason about adding sports and which ones....never understood why.
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I don't need your list of priorities. I said football would need to be taken care of first. I said basketball would need to be taken care of before building a multi sport indoor facility and academic facility. That's obvious. And your emotion, the fear that Wilcox will fund those projects before the revenue ones, is silly. It just won't happen even if that's what he wants. Boosters wouldn't allow it. The Board wouldn't allow it. And I don't actually believe Wilcox will even attempt or recommend what you suggest.

You also speak as if FSU is in near financial ruins. It's not. Not even close.
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(07-01-2015 10:40 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't need your list of priorities. I said football would need to be taken care of first. I said basketball would need to be taken care of before building a multi sport indoor facility and academic facility. That's obvious. And your emotion, the fear that Wilcox will fund those projects before the revenue ones, is silly. It just won't happen even if that's what he wants. Boosters wouldn't allow it. The Board wouldn't allow it. And I don't actually believe Wilcox will even attempt or recommend what you suggest.

You also speak as if FSU is in near financial ruins. It's not. Not even close.


No, you just hear what you want. Too emotionally invested.
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This isn't the only thread in which you've presented it that way.
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(06-29-2015 08:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If you have a soccer facility the women's lacrosse makes sense.

Clemson added women's golf because we already had the Walker Course and the golf facility in the plans and rowing because of Lake Hartwell. All we needed was a building for rowing, and we were able to add the best facility in the ACC fairly cheap.

No need to add LAX if it's going to cost much since it's a money loser. Add whatever is going to cost the least.

I actually bowled in College at GT, and Clemson because I still eligibility left. FSU has very solid bowling already. It is club sponsored as I remember.

If the Noles want to save money all they have to do put the women on scholarship. The rest of the team and infrastructure already exists.
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