(06-29-2015 07:14 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

I dont think many would consider the B12 with only 10 teams small time. especially when they are distributing about 255 million $ this year.

Boren seems to be concerned about their perception amongst the p5 in reguards to having only 10 teams.

(06-29-2015 07:14 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

I dont think many would consider the B12 with only 10 teams small time. especially when they are distributing about 255 million $ this year.

Boren seems to be concerned about their perception amongst the p5 in reguards to having only 10 teams.

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

Probably not considering we were FCS and playing with 20 fewer grants.Some of you guys make some really lame comments.

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

No doubt we struggled out of the gate, but I'd say our kids adjusted pretty well. Keep offering up those high hanging curves and we'll keep knocking 'em out of the park.

(06-29-2015 10:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

No doubt we struggled out of the gate, but I'd say our kids adjusted pretty well. Keep offering up those high hanging curves and we'll keep knocking 'em out of the park.

. . . Except in Baseball . . . Where nothing you hit leaves the park . . . .

(06-27-2015 09:42 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  Add CCU, NMSU in all sports, drop Idaho add Mizzou St.

That's what I want. 12/14 format with divisions would keep travel costs low.

(06-30-2015 12:12 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 10:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

No doubt we struggled out of the gate, but I'd say our kids adjusted pretty well. Keep offering up those high hanging curves and we'll keep knocking 'em out of the park.

. . . Except in Baseball . . . Where nothing you hit leaves the park . . . .

Our problem wasn't lack of HRs, we were 5th in the the league there. Our problem was pitching. Only TX State and UALR had higher ERAs. Though, I get your point.

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Yes, Idaho and NMSU are the ones sullying the good name of the sun belt! Surely Troy, ULM and GSU will become household names and create a SEC 2.0 and solve all the world's problems.

You have to have 12 teams as a mid major conference. The fact is every mid major program would sell their grandparents into slavery to get a BCS conference invite, and the BCS conferences will be able to grab mid majors faster than mid majors can grab FCS programs, which means they will grab other mid majors. This cannibalism can rapidly destroy a conference which is exactly what happened to the WAC, and what almost happened to the SBC.

You need 12 to have a title game for money and inflating rankings as well as insurance. If Idaho and NMSU leave and C-USA picks up 2 teams the SBC is finished. Even if you get a JMU, a directional Missouri they still won't help the league's reputation and history suggests they will be more like Georgia State than Georgia Southern. 12 teams means you can lose several teams and don't have to immediately add a FCS program short notice, you can wait for the right school to develop. Kicking Idaho and NMSU out because they're going through unprecedented turnover and because you have one slightly longer flight every other year would be a huge mistake.

(06-30-2015 12:12 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 10:39 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

No doubt we struggled out of the gate, but I'd say our kids adjusted pretty well. Keep offering up those high hanging curves and we'll keep knocking 'em out of the park.

. . . Except in Baseball . . . Where nothing you hit leaves the park . . . .

Only 40 of them last season. You guys were miles ahead of us with 49.

(07-01-2015 10:28 AM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Yes, Idaho and NMSU are the ones sullying the good name of the sun belt! Surely Troy, ULM and GSU will become household names and create a SEC 2.0 and solve all the world's problems.

You have to have 12 teams as a mid major conference. The fact is every mid major program would sell their grandparents into slavery to get a BCS conference invite, and the BCS conferences will be able to grab mid majors faster than mid majors can grab FCS programs, which means they will grab other mid majors. This cannibalism can rapidly destroy a conference which is exactly what happened to the WAC, and what almost happened to the SBC.

You need 12 to have a title game for money and inflating rankings as well as insurance. If Idaho and NMSU leave and C-USA picks up 2 teams the SBC is finished. Even if you get a JMU, a directional Missouri they still won't help the league's reputation and history suggests they will be more like Georgia State than Georgia Southern. 12 teams means you can lose several teams and don't have to immediately add a FCS program short notice, you can wait for the right school to develop. Kicking Idaho and NMSU out because they're going through unprecedented turnover and because you have one slightly longer flight every other year would be a huge mistake.

Legislation has been introduced to the NCAA Council and is expected to be approved that beginning in 2016 conferences will no longer will be required to have 12 teams to hold a CCG. Even if the Big XII expands and takes two from the AAC who in turn raids CUSA, there is no guarantee CUSA will go back to 14. With the playoff distribution plan for G5 conferences based on a 12 team model I can't see CUSA Presidents voing for a paycut to their schools? No disrespect intended, but Idaho & NMSU has been just plain bad for over a decade and show little sign of improvement.

I wonder if passage of this rule will allow for superconferences of 16 or more with a semi final ccg to sale?
say thedeath of p5 b12 and the birth of g6 b12.