(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

They did wake up for the OB...the problem is when they called just before the Orange Bowl to buy season tickets for 2013 they were told to call back in the spring.

(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

Hahaha

(06-28-2015 08:40 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

Yep, time to open your wallet more, John.

(06-28-2015 08:45 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:40 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

(06-28-2015 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:45 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:40 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:54 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Ya but there is a chance we can skip a few grades if our alums wake up and support athletics and the university. Admittingly though it's a small chance.

The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

(06-28-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:45 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:40 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  The wake up call is changing conferences to the AAC. If they didnt wake up for the Ob or Heisman run, they aint wakin up...

The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

NIU could do really well to further build and develop for that 10 year period in the AAC as well. MD if the other schools in the AAC could handle the travel, NIU would be just fine... USF or Houston or Uconn arnt complaining, who you regard as equal peers in such a lateral move.

Quote:NIU absolutely needs to get into the AAC asap if we want a chance in the B12 in 5-10 years. the MAC platform isnt strong enough for the jump.

Unless they became the next Boise or something, yeah, I agree. The AAC will need to lose teams to the B12 for NIU to come in, though. Which would make the AAC not as tough, and even it more compared to the MAC with NIU still in it. So then it becomes a tougher issue: Yes, a better platform to jump into B12 -- even though the conference wouldn't be oh-so stronger than the MAC. Especially with the MAC East due for a comeback to at least mediocrity. The extra money "earned" from the AAC would be to cover the extra travel costs, but besides that -- not a Ton difference.

So the Real difference? Springboard to the B12 (blowing dice before rolling). Overall, being "stuck" in the AAC wouldn't be bad. However, the real problem would be losing the momentum and establishment in a conference that they are king of the mountain on most of the time -- and the risk of going 6-2 in a Great season, 5-3 in a good season, and 4-4 in a typical season with all that adjustment. With all the money pouring into the stadium and such, and obviously pushed to pour more $$ and effort into the basketball program -- which regardless NIU should do to some degree anyway ........

.... would it be worth being consistently (tied or solo) 3rd/4th/5th in the AAC year after year and staying there for a long time VS consistently being 1st/2nd/3rd in the MAC year after year with a better chance for a BCS bowl?

IMO, that comparison would have to pass to make the jump, IMO. Unless insider info from the B12 says "Hey, we are going to expand to 14 teams by 2020. We want the Chicago market. If you guys join the AAC, expand your stadium, and you can at least hold your own there, which you guys should be able to do -- all while improving your basketball team to be at least OK -- we'll take you in," -- it'd be a tough call, IMO.

(06-28-2015 09:54 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:45 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:40 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The AAC is falling apart though, its been on a steady decline and when the music stops and the AAC is no more, NIU will be left as independent. I can so see the writing on the wall with that bad move

MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

NIU could do really well to further build and develop for that 10 year period in the AAC as well. MD if the other schools in the AAC could handle the travel, NIU would be just fine... USF or Houston or Uconn arnt complaining, who you regard as equal peers in such a lateral move.

Plus the arrow is pointed straight down with the AAC while the MAC is sideways or up. Besides the out of control travel budget, fans will stop travelling to road games, they wont travel all that way to see the kind of teams in the AAC. People wouldn't even come see Temple when they came to Huskie Stadium, why would they go across the country to Temple. Not to mention, recruiting would take a big hit with the AAC, at least in terms of quality of student athlete.

(06-28-2015 09:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:54 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 08:45 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  MD there are 12 solid schools in the AAC... U think they are all going independent if the AAC folds, like you claim NIU would? Dont be silly...

The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

NIU could do really well to further build and develop for that 10 year period in the AAC as well. MD if the other schools in the AAC could handle the travel, NIU would be just fine... USF or Houston or Uconn arnt complaining, who you regard as equal peers in such a lateral move.

Plus the arrow is pointed straight down with the AAC while the MAC is sideways or up. Besides the out of control travel budget, fans will stop travelling to road games, they wont travel all that way to see the kind of teams in the AAC. People wouldn't even come see Temple when they came to Huskie Stadium, why would they go across the country to Temple. Not to mention, recruiting would take a big hit with the AAC, at least in terms of quality of student athlete.

The AAC has better attendence, better tv ratings, better bowl games and bowl wins, a winning record vs the MAC, multiple bids in basketball, better stadiums, bigger endowments, more respect nationally, better national tv time slots, more draft picks... Must I go on? No the arrow is not pointing down...

False on recruiting, we spend a looooooot of time recruting in florida, which would increase moreso with a game vs UCF and USF in the mix. The added bonus would be further opening the gate to texas, with expossure from houston and SMU. The kids loved playing bowl games down there so their friends and family could see them play. This would be an extra bullet the coaching staff could add to their efforts.

Try again.

(06-28-2015 10:06 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:54 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The AAC is the MAC just with a wide wide wide geographical distance between schools, if you think NIU would do well with that kind of a travel budget for that kind of a conference, I mean come on. High risk, low reward propositions are never good

But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

NIU could do really well to further build and develop for that 10 year period in the AAC as well. MD if the other schools in the AAC could handle the travel, NIU would be just fine... USF or Houston or Uconn arnt complaining, who you regard as equal peers in such a lateral move.

Plus the arrow is pointed straight down with the AAC while the MAC is sideways or up. Besides the out of control travel budget, fans will stop travelling to road games, they wont travel all that way to see the kind of teams in the AAC. People wouldn't even come see Temple when they came to Huskie Stadium, why would they go across the country to Temple. Not to mention, recruiting would take a big hit with the AAC, at least in terms of quality of student athlete.

The AAC has better attendence, better tv ratings, better bowl games and bowl wins, a winning record vs the MAC, multiple bids in basketball, better stadiums, bigger endowments, more respect nationally, better national tv time slots, more draft picks... Must I go on? No the arrow is not pointing down...

False on recruiting, we spend a looooooot of time recruting in florida, which would increase moreso with a game vs UCF and USF in the mix. The added bonus would be further opening the gate to texas, with expossure from houston and SMU. The kids loved playing bowl games down there so their friends and family could see them play. This would be an extra bullet the coaching staff could add to their efforts.

Try again.

If you go to the AAC though and have to go to Florida every weekend, what kind of student athlete are you going to attract when they know academics will be sham. That might be a sacrifice worth making to go to the Big 12, but in no way is that even close to a good trade off for a lateral move

(06-28-2015 10:13 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 10:06 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:54 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  But if the AAC is inviting teams that likely means they lost 1 or 2 to the B12 and at that point the AAC is the only move up available for NIU until the next realignment and that could be in 2024 or so.

NIU could do really well to further build and develop for that 10 year period in the AAC as well. MD if the other schools in the AAC could handle the travel, NIU would be just fine... USF or Houston or Uconn arnt complaining, who you regard as equal peers in such a lateral move.

Plus the arrow is pointed straight down with the AAC while the MAC is sideways or up. Besides the out of control travel budget, fans will stop travelling to road games, they wont travel all that way to see the kind of teams in the AAC. People wouldn't even come see Temple when they came to Huskie Stadium, why would they go across the country to Temple. Not to mention, recruiting would take a big hit with the AAC, at least in terms of quality of student athlete.

The AAC has better attendence, better tv ratings, better bowl games and bowl wins, a winning record vs the MAC, multiple bids in basketball, better stadiums, bigger endowments, more respect nationally, better national tv time slots, more draft picks... Must I go on? No the arrow is not pointing down...

False on recruiting, we spend a looooooot of time recruting in florida, which would increase moreso with a game vs UCF and USF in the mix. The added bonus would be further opening the gate to texas, with expossure from houston and SMU. The kids loved playing bowl games down there so their friends and family could see them play. This would be an extra bullet the coaching staff could add to their efforts.

Try again.

If you go to the AAC though and have to go to Florida every weekend, what kind of student athlete are you going to attract when they know academics will be sham. That might be a sacrifice worth making to go to the Big 12, but in no way is that even close to a good trade off for a lateral move

Really MD? Your telling me if we play a game in florida 2 weekends in a row a kid who wants to be a lawyer or a cpa or a engineer at NIU would pass to go to a different school due to that travel time? Travel time to go to beautiful Florida? The Tuesday and Wednesday mid-week games impact the student athlete a loooooooot more then a saturday game in florida. Thats what you have in the MAC and our boys did fine. Cmon....

This thread is hilarious. You guys can't even pimp your own school with out getting into an arguement. Lol

(06-28-2015 10:58 PM)utpotts Wrote:  This thread is hilarious. You guys can't even pimp your own school with out getting into an arguement. Lol

So says the fan of the school that won't schedule games the same time as the Buckeyes hahahah

(06-28-2015 10:58 PM)utpotts Wrote:  This thread is hilarious. You guys can't even pimp your own school with out getting into an arguement. Lol

It's only one guy lol

Quote:The AAC has better attendence, better tv ratings, better bowl games and bowl wins, a winning record vs the MAC, multiple bids in basketball, better stadiums, bigger endowments, more respect nationally, better national tv time slots, more draft picks... Must I go on? No the arrow is not pointing down...

I can't really argue with that much. However, the AAC will lose 2 of its best teams if/when NIU were to join. Better bowls is going to going to go down a significant notch as it's leftover contracts from when they were a P5 conference as Big East. But yes, better attendance (that NIU needs to improve for itself), significantly better in basketball, and only on the upside in other areas. No question it would be an overall UP conference to join, regardless. But to what extent, and is it worth the shakeup?

Now, if the MAC East gets off their a$$ and does some stuff, while the AAC loses its two best/better teams -- then both conferences, at least in football, will be close enough together that the "jump" won't be so big. And again, if one sees the AAC as SO SO MUCH BETTER, even if the MAC East improves as it should -- by that rationale, NIU is a higher risk of being in the mediocrity-area (or lower), within. Is THAT worth it?

I'd rather be a big fish in a smaller pond G5, than a mediocre fish in the 2nd-best G5 pond. But if NIU has $$ ready to pour in, it could be worth the jump. I think the mentality of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes settling in. Would I want to be Houston in the AAC, or NIU in the MAC?