(06-26-2015 02:53 PM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 01:23 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  No one has mentioned Chris Finlen yet, so I will.

before Chris you have to consider Josh Haldi. But with a limit of 50 players, the qb position is settled at Harnish and Lynch.

This isn't a first/second team thing where each position has limited spots to fill. Its the best 50 players period. In most cases your QB should be one of your best players on the field.

Lynch will be #1. All his records, top 5 in records, Heisman finish...

(06-26-2015 10:45 AM)niu79 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:31 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I would be pretty shocked if Turner, Wolfe, LeShon, Harnish, and Lynch weren't in the top 10. So half of the top 10 would be from the past 20-25 years. Plus outside LeShon that's all within 15 years.

That's a sign of a good thing though that has the program has developed the best players to ever play here have been on campus recently.

In addition to the five you mentioned above, I would round out the top ten with Mark Kellar, Tim Tyrell, Larry English, Jimmy Ward, and Stacey Robinson.

Mark Kellar was the best player that I had the pleasure to watch as a student. I feel blessed to have had the opportunity to see so many more of his caliber since coach Novak righted the ship. Coach Pettibone had some good squads as well. Stacey Robinson was a great wishbone QB.

Some old school names that will be on the list.

Pete Roth, Dave Petzke, Tom Wittum, and the toughest DB I ever saw Mark Stuart.

(06-26-2015 04:01 PM)NIU Football 11 Wrote:  PJ

Don't forget Hollis Thomas.

(06-28-2015 12:35 PM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:01 PM)NIU Football 11 Wrote:  PJ

Caption: PJ - "What'll it take to get you into a WMU jersey today?

(06-26-2015 04:36 PM)mrfdog558 Wrote:  Lynch will be #1. All his records, top 5 in records, Heisman finish...

Agreed.

Would not surprise me if Larry English is #2. Two-time MAC MVP, three-time 1st Team All-MAC, highest NFL pick in NIU history.

I'm curious if PJ makes the list.

When you start to factor in lineman and also go back in time 50 is a crunch on a guy like PJ even though he was great.

Someone mentioned Hollis Thomas, you have Diem, Free, Todd Peat. Those are just the lineman at the top of my head leaving out English as he has to be a top 5 NIU player.

Then start going through receivers. Where does he fit with the old players and then factor in the competition of the more modern guys like McCarriens, Hurd (won't make the list because of jail), Moore, Brown, Sheldon.

I'm not very old so I don't know much about things past 1995 but there have been some studs in the past 20 years to make it hard for PJ to make the list.

(06-29-2015 08:22 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I'm curious if PJ makes the list.

When you start to factor in lineman and also go back in time 50 is a crunch on a guy like PJ even though he was great.

Someone mentioned Hollis Thomas, you have Diem, Free, Todd Peat. Those are just the lineman at the top of my head leaving out English as he has to be a top 5 NIU player.

Then start going through receivers. Where does he fit with the old players and then factor in the competition of the more modern guys like McCarriens, Hurd (won't make the list because of jail), Moore, Brown, Sheldon.

I'm not very old so I don't know much about things past 1995 but there have been some studs in the past 20 years to make it hard for PJ to make the list.

He should be on there. Regardless of opinion about him now, P.J. was a great player. Just going by records, he's #3 in career receptions and #5 in career receiving yards, and this is without ever playing in a postseason game.

(06-28-2015 02:40 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:36 PM)mrfdog558 Wrote:  Lynch will be #1. All his records, top 5 in records, Heisman finish...

Agreed.

Would not surprise me if Larry English is #2. Two-time MAC MVP, three-time 1st Team All-MAC, highest NFL pick in NIU history.

Jimmy Ward has to be in the top 10 as well. As far as PJ goes, I'd put Justin McCareins ahead of him.

(06-29-2015 09:16 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 02:40 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:36 PM)mrfdog558 Wrote:  Lynch will be #1. All his records, top 5 in records, Heisman finish...

Agreed.

Would not surprise me if Larry English is #2. Two-time MAC MVP, three-time 1st Team All-MAC, highest NFL pick in NIU history.

Jimmy Ward has to be in the top 10 as well. As far as PJ goes, I'd put Justin McCareins ahead of him.

I agree, but I think PJ still makes the list. 11-50 isn't ranked, it's just guys that should be there.

Ward could be top 10, but it also would not surprise me at all if English is the only defensive player in the top 10.

The # of offensive players on the list is going to outnumber the # of defensive players.

(06-29-2015 09:04 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:22 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I'm curious if PJ makes the list.

When you start to factor in lineman and also go back in time 50 is a crunch on a guy like PJ even though he was great.

Someone mentioned Hollis Thomas, you have Diem, Free, Todd Peat. Those are just the lineman at the top of my head leaving out English as he has to be a top 5 NIU player.

Then start going through receivers. Where does he fit with the old players and then factor in the competition of the more modern guys like McCarriens, Hurd (won't make the list because of jail), Moore, Brown, Sheldon.

I'm not very old so I don't know much about things past 1995 but there have been some studs in the past 20 years to make it hard for PJ to make the list.

He should be on there. Regardless of opinion about him now, P.J. was a great player. Just going by records, he's #3 in career receptions and #5 in career receiving yards, and this is without ever playing in a postseason game.

Oh this has nothing to do with opinion because he was a great Huskie, but when you start factoring in other players 50 can seem to get small very fast considering there are 22 regular starters each season and then special teams gets added.

So I think there are around 10 locks for modern day players (last 15-20 seasons) and then idk about old players. Just saying when you add lineman and stuff and you consider PJ probably top 5 receiver of the 50 years maybe top 3 (Hurd has no chance) so he could be between PJ, McCarriens, and Martel Moore to slide in the top 50. If there weren't so many positions id say he's in easy but football just has so many positions.

(06-29-2015 11:20 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 09:04 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:22 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I'm curious if PJ makes the list.

When you start to factor in lineman and also go back in time 50 is a crunch on a guy like PJ even though he was great.

Someone mentioned Hollis Thomas, you have Diem, Free, Todd Peat. Those are just the lineman at the top of my head leaving out English as he has to be a top 5 NIU player.

Then start going through receivers. Where does he fit with the old players and then factor in the competition of the more modern guys like McCarriens, Hurd (won't make the list because of jail), Moore, Brown, Sheldon.

I'm not very old so I don't know much about things past 1995 but there have been some studs in the past 20 years to make it hard for PJ to make the list.

He should be on there. Regardless of opinion about him now, P.J. was a great player. Just going by records, he's #3 in career receptions and #5 in career receiving yards, and this is without ever playing in a postseason game.

Oh this has nothing to do with opinion because he was a great Huskie, but when you start factoring in other players 50 can seem to get small very fast considering there are 22 regular starters each season and then special teams gets added.

So I think there are around 10 locks for modern day players (last 15-20 seasons) and then idk about old players. Just saying when you add lineman and stuff and you consider PJ probably top 5 receiver of the 50 years maybe top 3 (Hurd has no chance) so he could be between PJ, McCarriens, and Martel Moore to slide in the top 50. If there weren't so many positions id say he's in easy but football just has so many positions.

That's not how this list is going to be put together at all.

This is the 50 greatest players, regardless of position and as I said earlier, there will likely be more players on offense on the list than defense. That's not a knock, it's just a fact that in the course of NIU football history, there have been far more great players on offense than there have been on defense. The only special teams player who I think might appear on the list is Steve Azar.

There will likely be upwards of 5 RB/FB on the list (Kellar, Ross, Johnson, Hammock, Turner, Wolfe, Spann), and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 5 WRs as well (Petzke, McCareins, Fleck, Sheldon, Hurd, Moore).

And don't dismiss Hurd. Just because he's in jail, does not mean that he's not one of the 50 greatest players in Huskie Stadium history. If you're putting together a valid list, he's likely on it.

FREE HURD!

To JWN's point about how difficult this is to narrow to 50....

Last time this was done (1965-1994 30 Years) they went 3-deep at each position which gets you 70+ players.

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footb...-team.html

Pos Player (Years Lettered)
WR Dave Petzke (1977, 1978)
Willie Hatter (1970, 1971, 1972)
Carl Aikens (1981, 1983, 1984)
WR John Spilis (1966, 1967, 1968)
Curt Pardridge (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
Larry Wynn (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992)
TE Brian Glasgow (1979, 1980, 1981, 1982)
Reggie Sims (1981, 1982, 1983, 1984)
Jim Latanski (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
OT Scott Bolzan (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983)
Dan Rosado (1977, 1978, 1979)
Todd Peat (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986)
OT Randy Clark (1977, 1978, 1979)
Dave Weisendanger (1968, 1969, 1970)
Jim Hannula (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
OG Ted Karamanos (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987)
Mike Chelovich (1978, 1979, 1980, 1981)
Randy Shelton (1976, 1977)
OG Todd Peat (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986)
Rich Barrent (1979, 1980, 1981, 1982)
Tim Holt (1971, 1972)
C Eric Wenckowski (1988, 1989, 1990)
Randy Clark (1977, 1978, 1979)
Dan Graham (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987)
QB Stacey Robinson (1989, 1990)
Tim Tyrrell (1982, 1983)
Jerry Golsteyn (1973, 1974, 1975)
FB Mark Kellar (1971, 1972, 1973)
Adam Dach (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
John Lalonde (1968, 1969, 1970)
RB LeShon Johnson (1992, 1993)
Allen Ross (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
Jerry Latin (1972, 1973)
PK Vince Scott (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983)
John Ivanic (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
Tom Wittum (1969, 1970, 1971)
KORet Byron Florence (1971, 1972, 1973)
Mike Pinckney (1979, 1980)
Rodney Taylor (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988

DEFENSE

Pos. Player (Years Lettered)
DL Scott Kellar (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
Steve O'Malley (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
Ken Moore (1974, 1975, 1976)
DL Doug Bartlett (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986)
Ted Hennings (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
Cary Caliendo (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
DL Max Gill (1979, 1980, 1981, 1982)
Scott Van Bellinger (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
Reggie Harris (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987)
DL Jerry Meyers (1973, 1974, 1975)
Tom Rosenow (1965, 1966, 1967)
Steve Claussen (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
LB Frank Lewandoski (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
Mike Terna (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
Jim Faggetti (1966, 1967, 1968)
LB Larry Clark (1970, 1971, 1972)
Ron Delisi (1986, 1987, 1988, 1989)
Tim Griffin (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
LB Bob Gregolunas (1973, 1974, 1975)
Larry Alleyne (1979, 1980, 1981, 1982)
Gerald Nickelberry (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994)
DB Dave Petway (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
Kevin Cassidy (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
Lee Hicks (1981, 1982, 1983, 1984)
DB Brett Tucker (1985, 1987, 1988, 1989)
Steve Hirsch (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983)
Jeff Taylor (1990, 1991, 1992)
DB Jeff Sanders (1982, 1983)
Dan Meyer (1964, 1965, 1966)
Dan DeVito (1968, 1969, 1970)
DB Rich Marks (1971, 1972, 1973)
Mark Stuart (1977, 1978)
Mike Hollingshed (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988)
P Tom Wittum (1969, 1970, 1971)
Todd Van Keppel (1981, 1982, 1983, 1984)
Jim Hannula (1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
PRet Rodney Taylor (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)
Chris Blake (1971, 1972, 1973)
Jeff Sanders (1982, 1983)

Has TLL done enough to get on that list?

What about transfers like Bishop who was drafted?

(06-29-2015 11:48 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Has TLL done enough to get on that list?

What about transfers like Bishop who was drafted?

They'll both be considered because they were 1st Team All MAC in 2013. Don't know that they'll be named, in fact I kinda doubt it, but they'll be a part of the conversation.

(06-29-2015 11:56 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 11:48 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Has TLL done enough to get on that list?

What about transfers like Bishop who was drafted?

They'll both be considered because they were 1st Team All MAC in 2013. Don't know that they'll be named, in fact I kinda doubt it, but they'll be a part of the conversation.

TLL was also an All American honorable mention in 2013.

I wasn't saying they are doing it by position I'm just saying there are going to be players at virtually at every position and that starts making it tough for players that are not the best player ever at the position but are in the top 5.