If Houston leaves, Rice is the back up plan.

If UConn or Temple leaves, UMass is the back up plan.

If East Carolina leaves, Marshall is the back up plan.

I have no idea what the plan is to replace Cincy, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, UCF or USF.

(06-25-2015 07:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  If Houston leaves, Rice is the back up plan.

If UConn or Temple leaves, UMass is the back up plan.

If East Carolina leaves, Marshall is the back up plan.

I have no idea what the plan is to replace Cincy, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, UCF or USF.

FAU, FiU,UTSA, USM, Northern Ilinois

But no one is leaving now so relax

Man we would own South Florida

(06-25-2015 06:56 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:37 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Something that has been addressed, albeit when the future was more speculative, is the direction of the AAC if the Big 12 grabs (likely) Cincy, Memphis, UCF and/or Tulane.

If just Cincy and Memphis, does the AAC use the opportunity to reenforce its southern focus? The only northern schools will be Temple and UConn. Marginally Tulsa is a bit of a geographic outlier, but if the AAC can further penetrate the south, by enticing a Georgian school, or maybe another Florida one, I can't see the long term downside.

Assuming it's Cincy and Memphis, with the combinations of USF/UCF, Houston/SMU/Tulane, that is in the heart of demographic long term growth.

Maybe Southern Miss? Georgia State?

The southern schools won't want a UMass/Buffalo combo. They'll listen to what Uconn and Temple have to say, but at the end of the day, the south is king.

no the north is king. Delaware and Maine are the obvious "back fillers"

This suggestion is so absurd it can only be based on the posters fear of competing with ODU. We will be the obvious choice in a very few years.

you got me. I wrote that "absurd" suggestion due to my "fear of competing with Old Dominion"...its crazy how you figured that out! One could of said I wrote that absurd post because A. I'm wearing brown shoes, B. I ate oatmeal for breakfast today C. my great grandpa was born in Deutschland D. I was joking or E. Fear of Old Dominion. How did you know that the reason I posted that was because of my fear of competing with old dominion (E.) when there was so many other options?

http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2015/6/25/...-happening An interesting article on BYU and the Big 12 TV contract... seems to that UC is the top pick with BYU right there with them.

(06-25-2015 08:07 PM)Pirate1 Wrote:  http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2015/6/25/...-happening An interesting article on BYU and the Big 12 TV contract... seems to that UC is the top pick with BYU right there with them.

The Big12 has said if they expand they are going East, why would they add BYU who would then be another WV in the west by itself

First thing to clear up... The whole rumor that the contract is null if certain teams leave... NOPE! Please remember that the contract was written by Comcast/NBC. The money and exposure requirements were matched by ESPN but espn did not ask for that. It may be in the contract but it wasn't something that ESPN put in their bid. They just simply matched Comcasts bid.

With that said, I dont think anyone is going anywhere BUT if two teams left I think the two obvious choices are to
1. Stay at 10 and attempt to get our TV partner to leave the money as is, essentially giving us an increase in money. They had to do this with the B12 because they were moving teams from a ESPN controlled conference to an ESPN controlled conference. Its a conflict of interest to help one entity to raid the other. We would go from making $1.8 million a year to $2.2 Whoopie!

2. Put everyone on a dart board that we dont want but have to add two and throw a damn dart at it. I mean do we honestly care which one we add at that point. Nobody makes me excited at all... except for maybe Army and MWC teams, but they wouldnt move at that point.

(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

The conference championship game has being viewd for additional revenue... No way I see this league remaining at 10... Plus, zthe AAC has waited long enough for Navy's arrival just so that it can begin the crowning $$$.

I could see NIU Toledo and/or UMass as possible replacements if two are gone.

(06-25-2015 09:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

The conference championship game has being viewd for additional revenue... No way I see this league remaining at 10... Plus, zthe AAC has waited long enough for Navy's arrival just so that it can begin the crowning $$$.

I could see NIU Toledo and/or UMass as possible replacements if two are gone.

A couple of points.

1) Our CCG apparently has no value because our pay out doesn't change from this year to next. It also doesn't increase when more teams are added. We got 20 million for 11 teams and no CCG this year. We'd get the same for 10 I suspect. The reality is that ESPN got an incredible bargain with the AAC. They wont cancel the contract or attempt to lower it. They know that even at 10 teams they are still getting the AAC at well below market value. btw---Did you know that ESPN is currently paying about 4 million a year for the CUSA CCG? lol....We are an incredible bargain.

2) The same SI piece that covered Borens statement also revealed that CCG deregulation has passed out the committee and is moving toward a vote. WE may not even need 12 teams to hold a CCG. Why add school's like UMass (who even the Sunbelt and MAC passed on) if we don't need to?

Unless we are adding the top of the MW conference---I see know reason to add anyone until we know the result of the CCG legislation. We rushed into our last 3 additions. No reason to hurry. I think we can stand pat at 10 and be no worse for the wear. I would be for tacking on a few basketball schools to replace the loss of 2 major basketball schools. Hell, I'd be willing to add Wichita right now even if we lose nobody. Beyond that, I see no addition that screams "must have" to me.

That is false:

Brett McMurphy, College football reporter

If the Big East loses two more schools to conference realignment, the league's seven-year media rights deal can be terminated, industry sources told ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

(06-25-2015 08:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  First thing to clear up... The whole rumor that the contract is null if certain teams leave... NOPE! Please remember that the contract was written by Comcast/NBC. The money and exposure requirements were matched by ESPN but espn did not ask for that. It may be in the contract but it wasn't something that ESPN put in their bid. They just simply matched Comcasts bid.

With that said, I dont think anyone is going anywhere BUT if two teams left I think the two obvious choices are to
1. Stay at 10 and attempt to get our TV partner to leave the money as is, essentially giving us an increase in money. They had to do this with the B12 because they were moving teams from a ESPN controlled conference to an ESPN controlled conference. Its a conflict of interest to help one entity to raid the other. We would go from making $1.8 million a year to $2.2 Whoopie!

2. Put everyone on a dart board that we dont want but have to add two and throw a damn dart at it. I mean do we honestly care which one we add at that point. Nobody makes me excited at all... except for maybe Army and MWC teams, but they wouldnt move at that point.

(06-25-2015 09:27 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  That is false:

Brett McMurphy, College football reporter

If the Big East loses two more schools to conference realignment, the league's seven-year media rights deal can be terminated, industry sources told ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

(06-25-2015 08:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  First thing to clear up... The whole rumor that the contract is null if certain teams leave... NOPE! Please remember that the contract was written by Comcast/NBC. The money and exposure requirements were matched by ESPN but espn did not ask for that. It may be in the contract but it wasn't something that ESPN put in their bid. They just simply matched Comcasts bid.

With that said, I dont think anyone is going anywhere BUT if two teams left I think the two obvious choices are to
1. Stay at 10 and attempt to get our TV partner to leave the money as is, essentially giving us an increase in money. They had to do this with the B12 because they were moving teams from a ESPN controlled conference to an ESPN controlled conference. Its a conflict of interest to help one entity to raid the other. We would go from making $1.8 million a year to $2.2 Whoopie!

2. Put everyone on a dart board that we dont want but have to add two and throw a damn dart at it. I mean do we honestly care which one we add at that point. Nobody makes me excited at all... except for maybe Army and MWC teams, but they wouldnt move at that point.

You literally posted the proof of what I posted. ESPN did not ask for that in their contract. They just matched Comcasts deal. Comcast wanted certain assurances because if you look at the teams listed, they so happen to own networks in those cities.
ESPN doesnt care because they have nationwide carriage.

(06-25-2015 09:27 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  That is false:

Brett McMurphy, College football reporter

If the Big East loses two more schools to conference realignment, the league's seven-year media rights deal can be terminated, industry sources told ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

(06-25-2015 08:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  First thing to clear up... The whole rumor that the contract is null if certain teams leave... NOPE! Please remember that the contract was written by Comcast/NBC. The money and exposure requirements were matched by ESPN but espn did not ask for that. It may be in the contract but it wasn't something that ESPN put in their bid. They just simply matched Comcasts bid.

With that said, I dont think anyone is going anywhere BUT if two teams left I think the two obvious choices are to
1. Stay at 10 and attempt to get our TV partner to leave the money as is, essentially giving us an increase in money. They had to do this with the B12 because they were moving teams from a ESPN controlled conference to an ESPN controlled conference. Its a conflict of interest to help one entity to raid the other. We would go from making $1.8 million a year to $2.2 Whoopie!

2. Put everyone on a dart board that we dont want but have to add two and throw a damn dart at it. I mean do we honestly care which one we add at that point. Nobody makes me excited at all... except for maybe Army and MWC teams, but they wouldnt move at that point.

Two group "A" schools have to leave to trigger the termination clause. A group "A" school and a group "B" school leaving or the exit of two group "B" schools only triggers a possible renegotiation.

That said, ESPN isn't going to terminate it or lower the payment. We are already horribly underpaid, so they wouldn't be able to substantiate market value below their current payment. My guess is market research would indicate they are still paying WELL BELOW market value for even a 10 team AAC.

Yep, had a conversation with an ESPN friend who said they are making hand over fist on our basketball, football is gravy

If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.

(06-25-2015 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

The conference championship game has being viewd for additional revenue... No way I see this league remaining at 10... Plus, zthe AAC has waited long enough for Navy's arrival just so that it can begin the crowning $$$.

I could see NIU Toledo and/or UMass as possible replacements if two are gone.

A couple of points.

1) Our CCG apparently has no value because our pay out doesn't change from this year to next. It also doesn't increase when more teams are added. We got 20 million for 11 teams and no CCG this year. We'd get the same for 10 I suspect. The reality is that ESPN got an incredible bargain with the AAC. They wont cancel the contract or attempt to lower it. They know that even at 10 teams they are still getting the AAC at well below market value. btw---Did you know that ESPN is currently paying about 4 million a year for the CUSA CCG? lol....We are an incredible bargain.

2) The same SI piece that covered Borens statement also revealed that CCG deregulation has passed out the committee and is moving toward a vote. WE may not even need 12 teams to hold a CCG. Why add school's like UMass (who even the Sunbelt and MAC passed on) if we don't need to?

Unless we are adding the top of the MW conference---I see know reason to add anyone until we know the result of the CCG legislation. We rushed into our last 3 additions. No reason to hurry. I think we can stand pat at 10 and be no worse for the wear. I would be for tacking on a few basketball schools to replace the loss of 2 major basketball schools. Hell, I'd be willing to add Wichita right now even if we lose nobody. Beyond that, I see no addition that screams "must have" to me.

Plans are already in place if we lose any members, Aresco said not long ago... What does that tell you?!? I don't think that sounds like a 10 member league plan at all.

(06-25-2015 11:49 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

The conference championship game has being viewd for additional revenue... No way I see this league remaining at 10... Plus, zthe AAC has waited long enough for Navy's arrival just so that it can begin the crowning $$$.

I could see NIU Toledo and/or UMass as possible replacements if two are gone.

A couple of points.

1) Our CCG apparently has no value because our pay out doesn't change from this year to next. It also doesn't increase when more teams are added. We got 20 million for 11 teams and no CCG this year. We'd get the same for 10 I suspect. The reality is that ESPN got an incredible bargain with the AAC. They wont cancel the contract or attempt to lower it. They know that even at 10 teams they are still getting the AAC at well below market value. btw---Did you know that ESPN is currently paying about 4 million a year for the CUSA CCG? lol....We are an incredible bargain.

2) The same SI piece that covered Borens statement also revealed that CCG deregulation has passed out the committee and is moving toward a vote. WE may not even need 12 teams to hold a CCG. Why add school's like UMass (who even the Sunbelt and MAC passed on) if we don't need to?

Unless we are adding the top of the MW conference---I see know reason to add anyone until we know the result of the CCG legislation. We rushed into our last 3 additions. No reason to hurry. I think we can stand pat at 10 and be no worse for the wear. I would be for tacking on a few basketball schools to replace the loss of 2 major basketball schools. Hell, I'd be willing to add Wichita right now even if we lose nobody. Beyond that, I see no addition that screams "must have" to me.

Plans are already in place if we lose any members, Aresco said not long ago... What does that tell you?!? I don't think that sounds like a 10 member league plan at all.

No idea. The plan may be to do absolutely nothing. The plan may vary based upon who we lose. The plan may be completely obsolete after the CCG rule deregulating divisional play passes. Lots of variables. That said, planning to do nothing is, in fact, actually a plan.

(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.

Really? The consensus is that UConn and BYU are the two most desirable schools in G5 when you consider all factors (academics, athletics, market, national brand).

(06-26-2015 05:10 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.

Really? The consensus is that UConn and BYU are the two most desirable schools in G5 when you consider all factors (academics, athletics, market, national brand).

I don't know who the B12 takes but UConn does not want to be part of a conference that doesn't include those 4 schools. They would be better off in the BE.

(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.

They can do that - get nice games with Villanova and G Town and not have to travel south to play ball.
And in another 5-10 years, most of the rest of the AAC will be selected in the P5 and they can join the MAC to try to move up and get back in the game.

(06-26-2015 05:10 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The consensus is that UConn and BYU are the two most desirable schools in G5 when you consider all factors (academics, athletics, market, national brand).

You conveniently forgot geography.