Unfortunately, Cincinnati’s football team is at best No. 4 in the city’s sports pecking order behind Ohio State, the Bengals and the Reds.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...avid-boren

Via Andy Staples at SI. Sorry don't know his email address.

(06-25-2015 07:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Unfortunately, Cincinnati’s football team is at best No. 4 in the city’s sports pecking order behind Ohio State, the Bengals and the Reds.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...avid-boren

Via Andy Staples at SI. Sorry don't know his email address.

Unfortunately that is what everyone outside of I-275 believes (and if you talk to Ohio State fans in the Tri-State, they believe it too).

Even if you assume what they say is correct (which I am not saying they are) it is no different than what P5 schools Pitt, Miami and Georgia Tech face in their cities (Pitt is actually behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins and Penn State so they are more like #5). But they never mention that do they?

That is totally made up and not based in any type of fact. I tweeted at Mr. Staples to let him know his reporting was in error. We all know this is wrong but many across the country believe this to be true! Just another reason we have to come together as a fan base to show to everyone that we deserve more respect.

(06-25-2015 07:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 07:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Unfortunately, Cincinnati’s football team is at best No. 4 in the city’s sports pecking order behind Ohio State, the Bengals and the Reds.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...avid-boren

Via Andy Staples at SI. Sorry don't know his email address.

Unfortunately that is what everyone outside of I-275 believes (and if you talk to Ohio State fans in the Tri-State, they believe it too).

Even if you assume what they say is correct (which I am not saying they are) it is no different than what P5 schools Pitt, Miami and Georgia Tech face in their cities (Pitt is actually behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins and Penn State so they are more like #5). But they never mention that do they?

Most of the OSU fans around here know it isn't an OSU town, they might act like it is, but they know. Good point about the other Metro schools. If you don't include cooking the books SDSU might have better attendance than Pitt, both playing in NFL venues.

My second thought on Staples comment is that this is Exhibit #1A why you can't be one of those Bearcat/Buckeye fans. If you are a Kentucky grad and live in the Commonwealth you can legitimately say you watch UK and UL and want both schools to do well (except for when they play each other). You can't do that here--- it kills UC.

(06-25-2015 08:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  My second thought on Staples comment is that this is Exhibit #1A why you can't be one of those Bearcat/Buckeye fans. If you are a Kentucky grad and live in the Commonwealth you can legitimately say you watch UK and UL and want both schools to do well (except for when they play each other). You can't do that here--- it kills UC.

We do have some reversible jacket fans, UC basketball, OSU football, in the area.
More or less casual fans with no connection to either university. Same deal in Indiana with
IU and ND.

People in this town know the order; Reds = Bengals > UC > UK > aO$U.

People outside the area believe it to be the way this dude says it is.

Its all preconceived notions based on zero facts and this article wont sway either side. Those on the outside will keep thinking this is the way it is, those from here know how it really is.

(06-25-2015 07:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Do sports writers ever do research?

No.

are y'all positive about that? i would like to believe uc football is more popular in cincinnati than osu football, but a cursory glance would suggest otherwise

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...avid-boren

note the comments below the article..calling out Andy Staples

(06-25-2015 09:03 AM)Lush Wrote:  are y'all positive about that? i would like to believe uc football is more popular in cincinnati than osu football, but a cursory glance would suggest otherwise

Well that isn't exactly a scientific poll or research.
You know that the amount of UC grads living in greater Cincy dwarfs the amount of
OSU grads, so at minimal that is a good place to start.

There are other reasons Cincinnati hasn't shown as much interest in Ohio State:

Unless they're OSU grads, local fans align more with local teams – the Reds, Bengals, UC and - significantly - their high school teams
http://www.wcpo.com/sports/college-sport...inning-did

Trolling gets clicks. Make ridiculous claims you don't believe in = popular story. I don't think it has a thing to do with lack of research.

(06-25-2015 09:22 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:03 AM)Lush Wrote:  are y'all positive about that? i would like to believe uc football is more popular in cincinnati than osu football, but a cursory glance would suggest otherwise

Well that isn't exactly a scientific poll or research.
You know that the amount of UC grads living in greater Cincy dwarfs the amount of
OSU grads, so at minimal that is a good place to start.

There are other reasons Cincinnati hasn't shown as much interest in Ohio State:

Unless they're OSU grads, local fans align more with local teams – the Reds, Bengals, UC and - significantly - their high school teams
http://www.wcpo.com/sports/college-sport...inning-did

polls are bogus. but perhaps i'm wrong. i just know that whenever i go to a bar to watch the game, i have to have the barkeep turn it on. granted, bicycling and skateboarding are the only sports of note in my 'hood

(06-25-2015 09:37 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:22 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:03 AM)Lush Wrote:  are y'all positive about that? i would like to believe uc football is more popular in cincinnati than osu football, but a cursory glance would suggest otherwise

Well that isn't exactly a scientific poll or research.
You know that the amount of UC grads living in greater Cincy dwarfs the amount of
OSU grads, so at minimal that is a good place to start.

There are other reasons Cincinnati hasn't shown as much interest in Ohio State:

Unless they're OSU grads, local fans align more with local teams – the Reds, Bengals, UC and - significantly - their high school teams
http://www.wcpo.com/sports/college-sport...inning-did

polls are bogus. but perhaps i'm wrong. i just know that whenever i go to a bar to watch the game, i have to have the barkeep turn it on. granted, bicycling and skateboarding are the only sports of note in my 'hood

Depends on how they are done. I would guess that hipsterish Northside bars are not a
good indicator, more larger suburban bars that cater to college football fans.

Journalists/broadcasters (I use these terms lightly with Andy) do not research their stories and selectively use some stats to bolster their narrative, while disregarding stats/facts opposite to their opinions.

Local polls consistently indicate UC is top 3 overall sports teams and #1 when it comes to college teams. Talking to retailers, ie Rally House, they state UC is the #1 seller of merchandise, by a great margin. This includes their Northern KY location. UC has more alumni in the metro area than An OSU. The highest rated ESPN game in the Cincy narket was the UC / USF back in 2009. Even Urban Meyer stated to Tom Brenneman the reason OSU does not have a greater presence is due to The University of Cincinnati being located here. I believe Urban even said UC had a successful fball program. As much as the local media does a terrible job covering UC, the coverage is light years ahead of OSU coverage.

(06-25-2015 09:56 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Journalists/broadcasters (I use these terms lightly with Andy) do not research their stories and selectively use some stats to bolster their narrative, while disregarding stats/facts opposite to their opinions.

Local polls consistently indicate UC is top 3 overall sports teams and #1 when it comes to college teams. Talking to retailers, ie Rally House, they state UC is the #1 seller of merchandise, by a great margin. This includes their Northern KY location. UC has more alumni in the metro area than An OSU. The highest rated ESPN game in the Cincy narket was the UC / USF back in 2009. Even Urban Meyer stated to Tom Brenneman the reason OSU does not have a greater presence is due to The University of Cincinnati being located here. I believe Urban even said UC had a successful fball program. As much as the local media does a terrible job covering UC, the coverage is light years ahead of OSU coverage.

I am glad that you mentioned Rally House. Go to the Rookwood location and you will find UC and Reds apparel in the front of the store. Retailers know that Reds, Bengals, and Bearcats sell in this town. UC has a decent display of merchandise in the Dayton area too.

While Ohio State dominates Columbus, I was happy to find UC gear at places like Lids and Homage. I wouldn't shock me if the Bearcats following in Columbus or Cleveland is bigger than people give it credit. No reason why UC can't be in the mix for the second or third most popular college team in the rest of Ohio and Northern Kentucky.

While the Bengals and Reds might hurt UC in this town in terms of sports attention. I do believe they help UC if you move beyond greater Cincinnati. Getting the overall city of "Cincinnati" brand out there helps paint an image of a thriving sports city that people might want to do adopt due to a number of factors. During the Huggins years, I believe UC basketball had a "cool" factor that helped grow the brand.

Ohio State is in a long line of teams that have some level of interest in Cincinnati but are completely off the radar in terms of mainstream Cincinnati sports. Most of us know that Kentucky basketball has a bigger following in this area than Ohio State football and basketball combined.

In response to Staples article, Lance is doing a poll question "UC or OSU football". I suggest you log on and cast your vote because we will hear about it if we lose.

Lance McAlister ‏@LanceMcAlister · 1h1 hour ago
Yea, the #Bearcats/#OSU comment just begs a poll question...so I created one. Go vote. http://www.espn1530.com/onair/lance-mcal...-13710881/ …

(06-25-2015 10:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  In response to Staples article, Lance is doing a poll question "UC or OSU football". I suggest you log on and cast your vote because we will hear about it if we lose.

Lance McAlister ‏@LanceMcAlister · 1h1 hour ago
Yea, the #Bearcats/#OSU comment just begs a poll question...so I created one. Go vote. http://www.espn1530.com/onair/lance-mcal...-13710881/ …

looks like UC fans crashed the website

(06-25-2015 10:30 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:56 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Journalists/broadcasters (I use these terms lightly with Andy) do not research their stories and selectively use some stats to bolster their narrative, while disregarding stats/facts opposite to their opinions.

Local polls consistently indicate UC is top 3 overall sports teams and #1 when it comes to college teams. Talking to retailers, ie Rally House, they state UC is the #1 seller of merchandise, by a great margin. This includes their Northern KY location. UC has more alumni in the metro area than An OSU. The highest rated ESPN game in the Cincy narket was the UC / USF back in 2009. Even Urban Meyer stated to Tom Brenneman the reason OSU does not have a greater presence is due to The University of Cincinnati being located here. I believe Urban even said UC had a successful fball program. As much as the local media does a terrible job covering UC, the coverage is light years ahead of OSU coverage.

I am glad that you mentioned Rally House. Go to the Rookwood location and you will find UC and Reds apparel in the front of the store. Retailers know that Reds, Bengals, and Bearcats sell in this town. UC has a decent display of merchandise in the Dayton area too.

While Ohio State dominates Columbus, I was happy to find UC gear at places like Lids and Homage. I wouldn't shock me if the Bearcats following in Columbus or Cleveland is bigger than people give it credit. No reason why UC can't be in the mix for the second or third most popular college team in the rest of Ohio and Northern Kentucky.

While the Bengals and Reds might hurt UC in this town in terms of sports attention. I do believe they help UC if you move beyond greater Cincinnati. Getting the overall city of "Cincinnati" brand out there helps paint an image of a thriving sports city that people might want to do adopt due to a number of factors. During the Huggins years, I believe UC basketball had a "cool" factor that helped grow the brand.

Ohio State is in a long line of teams that have some level of interest in Cincinnati but are completely off the radar in terms of mainstream Cincinnati sports. Most of us know that Kentucky basketball has a bigger following in this area than Ohio State football and basketball combined.

Been saying the bolded for about five years. Using the analogy of a soft drink, UC has a different flavor than Ohio State. There are many people throughout the state who actually would like the "taste" of the UC brand more than Ohio State if they had exposure to it. We are never going to usurp Ohio State or even come close to it, but growing the brand even a little bit in the Miami Valley (Dayton) and in other pockets would do wonders.

I can speak a bit about the UC following in Columbus. I lived there from 2001-2013. From 2001-2006 UC was invisible in Columbus. I remember once wearing a UC football shirt to an office picnic and one of the ladies remarked she didn't even know UC had a football team (as a wife of a former OSU player she was pretty savvy when it came to college sports). Starting after the BK years and up until the time I left I noticed a nice uptick. I started seeing the occasional person wearing UC gear, I would see a UC license plate here and there, UC even was smart and put up some promotions at high school sporting events... quite a few people I knew sent their kids to UC (prior to that it was OSU, the MAC or small in-state private school).

(06-25-2015 10:40 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  In response to Staples article, Lance is doing a poll question "UC or OSU football". I suggest you log on and cast your vote because we will hear about it if we lose.

Lance McAlister ‏@LanceMcAlister · 1h1 hour ago
Yea, the #Bearcats/#OSU comment just begs a poll question...so I created one. Go vote. http://www.espn1530.com/onair/lance-mcal...-13710881/ …

looks like UC fans crashed the website

Wow! Cannot get on 1530 or 700's websites.