Curious... how does one measure National Exposures/National Attention?

My most important point (and first sentence) with your response below. We are not one homogeneous being.

(06-25-2015 09:54 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:29 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Troy is not currently any kind of power.

they are "nationally recognized as SBC powers"

this thread has devolved into what i expect if troy can bounce back.

the rubberneck in me wants troy to bounce back just to watch these two fanbases assert superiority.

even if it happens it's my favorite analogy. a 5'8 cornerback and a 5'10 wide receiver having a slap fight 35 yards away from the action of a running play. as entertaining as two baboons flinging their poo at each other at the zoo.

but it's not the lion enclosure of the big boys. entertaining. not really relevant in the big picture in either case.

(06-25-2015 09:59 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Curious... how does one measure National Exposures/National Attention?

You can see a huge difference in how Houston, Southern Miss, Fresno State, TCU, and Boise State are treated when they were playing well, than any of our teams. That's national exposure. A lot more than just a couple appearances on college football game day and a complimentary mention on around the horn for bonus points.

When your teams are consistently ranked Top 40 preseason, your program has national respect. When you rank Top 40 at the end of the year and preseason magazines have you in the 70's and 80's, it tells me people don't believe you're the real deal (even if you are).

(06-25-2015 10:07 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:59 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Curious... how does one measure National Exposures/National Attention?

You can see a huge difference in how Houston, Southern Miss, Fresno State, TCU, and Boise State are treated when they were playing well, than any of our teams. That's national exposure. A lot more than just a couple appearances on college football game day and a complimentary mention on around the horn for bonus points.

When your teams are consistently ranked Top 40 preseason, your program has national respect. When you rank Top 40 at the end of the year and preseason magazines have you in the 70's and 80's, it tells me people don't believe you're the real deal (even if you are).

You left Troy off the list. After all "Troy has the same kind of name brand that Southern Miss has."

(06-25-2015 09:55 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:41 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  yeah, just a few shout outs on college gameday and being known for taking down UF in Gainesville, and being talked about on shows like Around the Horn because of not being allowed to go to a Bowl game.

other than that, nobody is talking about us on a national level.

Troy had all that and more and was even the source for the "I'm a man, I'm 40!" rant after we waxed his team on national TV (ESPN2).

Most casual fans (90% of the country) have forgotten about the win over unranked Florida. It was a great win in my mind. Everyone remembers Appalachian State's win over Michigan. A few shout outs here and there are nothing like the attention Houston, Southern Miss, Boise State, TCU (formerly G5), Fresno State, Tulsa, and others have garnered over the years.

Georgia Southern has a great program, but they are not the national powerhouse you think they are. Not yet, anyway. When you end the season Top 40 and most publications don't have you Top 60 preseason, it means they don't respect you. And you can't be nationally relevant if people don't respect you.

that was you guys that beat them? cool. I never realized that.

most casual fans have forgotten? I don't think so. It isn't talked about anymore, but when I come across people in Charlotte when I wear GSU gear, I've heard comments about the UF win.

I know we are not a national powerhouse. But to think that Troy is, is laughable. the last time you guys won the conference, you were 1 of 2 teams with a winning record. Troy has a good history, but you seem to act as if Troy is some sort of household name. Southern isn't, and neither is Troy. When I first heard Southern might go into the Sun Belt, I'm pretty sure most people thought we were joining a conference with Troy State. Troy has never garnered the attention of Boise and TCU.

I will say that Troy is an established G5 program. They had a lot of past success that has them in the minds of casual fans across the nation. It would not be surprising for them to return to beating the occasional P5 and winning (or at least contending) for the SBC title. Good luck on your new/old coach and hope we have a great game this year (GS wins of course, but hope it's a well played game).

I'd argue much like in marketing a product, if you are being talked about, then you have a degree relevance (could be good more bad). National Exposure can happen if you do something silly (Ark State's fake punt), something positive (ULM beating Arkansas) or something embarrassing (Georgia State's money drop) . The simplest way to measure the degree of relevance would be search history/tv ratings/social media.

(06-25-2015 10:10 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:55 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 09:41 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  yeah, just a few shout outs on college gameday and being known for taking down UF in Gainesville, and being talked about on shows like Around the Horn because of not being allowed to go to a Bowl game.

other than that, nobody is talking about us on a national level.

Troy had all that and more and was even the source for the "I'm a man, I'm 40!" rant after we waxed his team on national TV (ESPN2).

Most casual fans (90% of the country) have forgotten about the win over unranked Florida. It was a great win in my mind. Everyone remembers Appalachian State's win over Michigan. A few shout outs here and there are nothing like the attention Houston, Southern Miss, Boise State, TCU (formerly G5), Fresno State, Tulsa, and others have garnered over the years.

Georgia Southern has a great program, but they are not the national powerhouse you think they are. Not yet, anyway. When you end the season Top 40 and most publications don't have you Top 60 preseason, it means they don't respect you. And you can't be nationally relevant if people don't respect you.

that was you guys that beat them? cool. I never realized that.

most casual fans have forgotten? I don't think so. It isn't talked about anymore, but when I come across people in Charlotte when I wear GSU gear, I've heard comments about the UF win.

But to think that Troy is, is laughable. the last time you guys won the conference, you were 1 of 2 teams with a winning record. Troy has a good history, but you seem to act as if Troy is some sort of household name. Southern isn't, and neither is Troy. When I first heard Southern might go into the Sun Belt, I'm pretty sure most people thought we were joining a conference with Troy State. Troy has never garnered the attention of Boise and TCU.

People here seem to function only on hyperbole and think every Troy fan that disagrees with anyone is "beating his chest" and thinks Troy is "the superpower of all superpowers". I said in my first sentence a few posts ago that Troy isn't any kind of power right now. You can choose to ignore that if you want.

No one in the SBC right now is a superpower. Troy was never a superpower, but Troy did have some national attention. Arkansas State, Louisiana, and Troy are simply the most well known SBC programs in football right now. A lot of people don't know Appalchian State and Georgia Southern moved up. National exposure for all teams in the SBC right now is relatively low. Most of what you said was cherry picking my statement and then evolving it into some contorted viewpoint that you're highly offended by.

(06-25-2015 10:10 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:07 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  You can see a huge difference in how Houston, Southern Miss, Fresno State, TCU, and Boise State are treated when they were playing well, than any of our teams. That's national exposure. A lot more than just a couple appearances on college football game day and a complimentary mention on around the horn for bonus points.

You left Troy off the list. After all "Troy has the same kind of name brand that Southern Miss has."

Troy has the same kind of name brand that Southern Miss has. Programs that used to knock off and scare P5s regular, but has fallen on hard times. That doesn't mean Troy was in the news as much as Southern Miss.

The point is, you guys can cherry pick, get offended, and make a big fuss over this and still miss the point: No one in the SBC has achieved the national attention that even some CUSA teams have received. Not Arkansas State, not Georgia Southern, and not Troy. We have a long way to go and beating Florida, beating #5 Michigan, beating Oklahoma State and Missouri, once every blue moon isn't going to get our teams on the national stage.

(06-25-2015 10:20 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  National exposure for all teams in the SBC right now is relatively low. Most of what you said was cherry picking my statement and then evolving it into something it isn't.

It is indeed relatively low.

What about among ourselves? That is the question really. I might have found a way to answer it.

I present Google Trends. This chart takes search engine data and allows comparison for key words or phrases. If you can search for your team in multiple ways, this accounts for it. In a way, search engine data is another form of "word of mouth". If its being searched, its being talked about. Google has a way to calculates a relative "interest over time", which is interesting to play with. The chart scales relative to largest data set. So if you add Alabama football, our data is dwarfed (obviously).

Troy vs Georgia Southern

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs App State (to show the effect of the win vs Michigan)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs Alabama (to show you how it scales)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs Marshall (CUSA Champion)

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Unfortunately, the tool only allows for 5 terms at a time. Play with it, let me know what you think. This can help give some answers to National Exposure.

(06-25-2015 10:38 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:20 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  National exposure for all teams in the SBC right now is relatively low. Most of what you said was cherry picking my statement and then evolving it into something it isn't.

It is indeed relatively low.

What about among ourselves? That is the question really. I might have found a way to answer it.

I present Google Trends. This chart takes search engine data and allows comparison for key words or phrases. If you can search for your team in multiple ways, this accounts for it. In a way, search engine data is another form of "word of mouth". If its being searched, its being talked about. Google has a calculates a relative "interest over time", which is interesting to play it. The chart scales relative to largest data set. So if you add Alabama football, our data is dwarfed (obviously).

Troy vs Georgia Southern

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs App State (to show the effect of the win vs Michigan)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs Alabama (to show you how it scales)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Unfortunately, the tool only allows for 5 terms at a time. Play with it, let me know what you think. This can help give some answers to National Exposure.

That's awesome and very interesting. The last one made me laugh.

(06-25-2015 10:38 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 10:20 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  National exposure for all teams in the SBC right now is relatively low. Most of what you said was cherry picking my statement and then evolving it into something it isn't.

It is indeed relatively low.

What about among ourselves? That is the question really. I might have found a way to answer it.

I present Google Trends. This chart takes search engine data and allows comparison for key words or phrases. If you can search for your team in multiple ways, this accounts for it. In a way, search engine data is another form of "word of mouth". If its being searched, its being talked about. Google has a calculates a relative "interest over time", which is interesting to play it. The chart scales relative to largest data set. So if you add Alabama football, our data is dwarfed (obviously).

Troy vs Georgia Southern

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs App State (to show the effect of the win vs Michigan)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs Alabama (to show you how it scales)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=...%2FGMT%2B4

Troy vs Georgia Southern vs Louisiana vs stAte vs Marshall (CUSA Champion)

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Unfortunately, the tool only allows for 5 terms at a time. Play with it, let me know what you think. This can help give some answers to National Exposure.

That is fantastic. Good work, Eagle.

The G5/P5 gap is huge.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

Kudos EagleWay, this is awesome. I thought this one was pretty decent:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=...%2FGMT%2B4

IMHO, entering the Belt as a southern fan I believed that Troy, Ark State, and UL_ were the strong teams. I put UL_ because I knew one of the Louisiana schools had beaten Ark and nearly beat Auburn but I always got the two confused and couldn't recall if it was ULL or ULM? This is not a slam on either school but truly how I felt. I did think Troy was the strongest but it could be because they are closer to Georgia than the others as opposed to national recognition.