(06-30-2015 03:12 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 03:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Apparently the Big 12 Fanatics website does not have a very high opinion of UC.

http://big12fanatics.com/big-12-expansio...mage-pile/

That guy is out of his mind. Thinking like that runs rampant in B12 country, makes me pray for a ACC invite but would settle for a B12 one.

Not as much as some would think. That dork has Tulane and Rice as his 1/2 picks. Just a guy with a blog.

(06-30-2015 03:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 03:12 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 03:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Apparently the Big 12 Fanatics website does not have a very high opinion of UC.

http://big12fanatics.com/big-12-expansio...mage-pile/

That guy is out of his mind. Thinking like that runs rampant in B12 country, makes me pray for a ACC invite but would settle for a B12 one.

Not as much as some would think. That dork has Tulane and Rice as his 1/2 picks. Just a guy with a blog.

I meant more shortsightedness and unwillingness to be proactive in changing for the better. That runs amongst the people who matter. I'm just sick of all the hinting around all this. I'm not believing anything until I hear 100% that UC is in, until then we're stuck and I'm not getting my hopes up. Sad that I'm so defensive about all this.

Oklahoma news/site is Analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of 9 Big 12 expansion candidates

Quote:CINCINNATI

Athletic budget: $55.4 million

Enrollment: 43,691

Market: Greater Cincinnati’s population is 2.2 million.

Football stadium: Nippert Stadium opened in 1924, making it the fifth-oldest venue in college football. An $80 million renovation is being completed, with a capacity of 40,000.

Fan base: Limited. UC for several years has averaged between 30,000 and 35,000 fans. It’s Ohio State and NFL country. Some UC games have been played in the Bengals’ Paul Brown Stadium, including against OU in 2010.

Television attraction: Meager, especially for such a successful program. Most fans wouldn’t recognize UC’s uniforms at first glance.

Geography: Helpful. Cincinnati would help create a bridge to West Virginia and would take the Big 12 into the fertile Ohio recruiting grounds.

Academic standing: Solid. Ranked 129th nationally, which puts just behind OU and Kansas, just ahead of OSU and Kansas State.

Football prowess: Good. With limited resources, UC has hired Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and Tommy Tuberville to coach. In the last eight years, UC has won 75 games and been to the Orange and Sugar bowls.

Other sports: Cincinnati is a long-time basketball power.

(07-05-2015 09:50 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Oklahoma news/site is Analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of 9 Big 12 expansion candidates

Quote:CINCINNATI

Athletic budget: $55.4 million

Enrollment: 43,691

Market: Greater Cincinnati’s population is 2.2 million.

Football stadium: Nippert Stadium opened in 1924, making it the fifth-oldest venue in college football. An $80 million renovation is being completed, with a capacity of 40,000.

Fan base: Limited. UC for several years has averaged between 30,000 and 35,000 fans. It’s Ohio State and NFL country. Some UC games have been played in the Bengals’ Paul Brown Stadium, including against OU in 2010.

Television attraction: Meager, especially for such a successful program. Most fans wouldn’t recognize UC’s uniforms at first glance.

Geography: Helpful. Cincinnati would help create a bridge to West Virginia and would take the Big 12 into the fertile Ohio recruiting grounds.

Academic standing: Solid. Ranked 129th nationally, which puts just behind OU and Kansas, just ahead of OSU and Kansas State.

Football prowess: Good. With limited resources, UC has hired Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly, Butch Jones and Tommy Tuberville to coach. In the last eight years, UC has won 75 games and been to the Orange and Sugar bowls.

Other sports: Cincinnati is a long-time basketball power.

Tramel says UC is a long-time basketball power, yet he says people won't recognize the C-paw on a football uniform?

People wouldn't recognize our uniforms? BS on that one. And once again the "OSU owns Cincinnati, they HAVE to, they are OSU" idea is thrown out there by an outsider who makes an assumption. SMH

Trammel is an ass...

I realize UC cannot turn down a B12 offer, but I'm at the point where I'd savor us doing it. UC bailed out the BE, let the B12 add someone like Marshall to bail that sinking ship out. I'd love to see the WVU fans scream at that.

Eff the B12.

(07-06-2015 05:53 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Trammel is an ass...

I realize UC cannot turn down a B12 offer, but I'm at the point where I'd savor us doing it. UC bailed out the BE, let the B12 add someone like Marshall to bail that sinking ship out. I'd love to see the WVU fans scream at that.

Eff the B12.

+1.

There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

(07-06-2015 07:18 AM)indycat Wrote:  There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

That wasn't Tramel it was another writer from that neck of the woods.

The above referenced article lost all degree of credibility for me when it said UCF was in the "general direction" of West Virginia...

Everything is an opinion piece until there are direct quotes from a Conference Commissioner or AD specifically citing the teams they are adding. UC seems to always be in the discussion, which is good. The conference leaders will look at all data, including crowds at the big-time games. I'm sure UC's leadership has pointed this out in their data too. I think the data is positive for UC but who knows what the conf leadership will decide. They have been consistent up to this point, which pretty much goes against everything that the sports media thinks they should do...which could be good (select UC) or bad (do nothing) for the Bearcats.

(07-06-2015 07:24 AM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  The above referenced article lost all degree of credibility for me when it said UCF was in the "general direction" of West Virginia...

Another thing I noticed is that he listed Memphis' population of 1.4M, then cited a much higher amount when it includes Arkansas and Mississippi. Then he cites Cincy's numbers, but the metro area only.

last time I checked UC is a state public school that draws from the entire state. Is Memphis really a draw in Arkansas and Mississippi?

I live in the Dayton metro area and there are plenty of UC fans here. Yeah, it's Ohio State territory, but there is also a huge UC presence.

(07-06-2015 07:24 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:18 AM)indycat Wrote:  There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

That wasn't Tramel it was another writer from that neck of the woods.

They had Trammel on... He slashed and burned the whole expansion thing, while carefully circumnavigating Boren. He did intimate at one point that he thought Boren may have gone a little wacko, then quickly back-tracked to say that "Boren must have his reasons."

(07-06-2015 09:30 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:24 AM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  The above referenced article lost all degree of credibility for me when it said UCF was in the "general direction" of West Virginia...

Another thing I noticed is that he listed Memphis' population of 1.4M, then cited a much higher amount when it includes Arkansas and Mississippi. Then he cites Cincy's numbers, but the metro area only.

last time I checked UC is a state public school that draws from the entire state. Is Memphis really a draw in Arkansas and Mississippi?

I live in the Dayton metro area and there are plenty of UC fans here. Yeah, it's Ohio State territory, but there is also a huge UC presence.

Everyone outside of the 513 believes everyone in the state only watches Ohio State football 24/7 and hasn't figured out that other universities have teams too.

As for Memphis, part of their metro area does extend into parts of Arkansas and Mississippi just as our metro area goes into parts of Kentucky and Indiana. The only difference is that N.KY has a much larger population than the communities that share a river with Memphis.

I actually lived in Northeast Arkansas for seven years growing up (dad was in the Air Force). Memphis was about an hour away from us. We often played Memphis schools in football and basketball in high school. Memphis (or Memphis State as they were called then) moves the meter a little bit in Arkansas, but they are way behind Arkansas and some other SEC teams. Memphis is also likely behind Arkansas State as well, as Jonesboro is just 100 miles away.

(07-06-2015 07:18 AM)indycat Wrote:  There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

Yeah, I call BS on the uniform recognition. Last year when UofL had the UC looking uni's, more than one national radio host commented the team looked like UC and not UofL. Marketing report, a number of years ago, stated the C-Paw was one of the most recognizable symbols in college sports.

(07-06-2015 11:08 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:18 AM)indycat Wrote:  There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

Yeah, I call BS on the uniform recognition. Last year when UofL had the UC looking uni's, more than one national radio host commented the team looked like UC and not UofL. Marketing report, a number of years ago, stated the C-Paw was one of the most recognizable symbols in college sports.

This is unscientific, but there are others who feel differently than Tramel:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/12325...ts/page/20

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16648...gos/page/8

(07-06-2015 04:17 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:08 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 07:18 AM)indycat Wrote:  There are certainly positives in Tramel's analysis (if he wrote it; not some editorial assistant?) but it would have been worth mentioning the crowd for that OU game in 2010 which would support the widely held belief around here that big-time quality opponents will assure sellouts. I agree with the comment about uniform recognition; specifically the C-Paw. I think there is objective research that suggests it's one of the most recognized marks in the NCAA--far and away the best known among current G5 schools.

I did listen to a podcast last week from a West Virginia sportstalk show where Tramel was a guest. As I recall, he was more supportive in his comments there and I believe cited Cincinnati at the top of his list. Bearcat Jerry, did you post/listen to that; would you agree? Thanks.

Yeah, I call BS on the uniform recognition. Last year when UofL had the UC looking uni's, more than one national radio host commented the team looked like UC and not UofL. Marketing report, a number of years ago, stated the C-Paw was one of the most recognizable symbols in college sports.

This is unscientific, but there are others who feel differently than Tramel:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/12325...ts/page/20

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16648...gos/page/8

Of course he was off the mark. Under Armour wouldn't be paying $47M to a brand that has no national recognition.

Let's be clear here though: Tramel knows people can identify our uniform. We have played in enough bowls and prime time games over the last decade that even the more casual fan recognizes the c-paw. The truth here is he stretching the truth to fit the narrative his readership desires (ie. The B12 is awesome as is and these expansion candidates are not worthy).

We are very recognizable. How many teams in CFB wear all black?

The c-paw is highly recognizable, but it's not like when you flip on the tv you instantly know Cincinnati's playing if you're a casual football fan. It takes a minute to get a closer inspection of the uniform.

(07-06-2015 07:31 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  The c-paw is highly recognizable, but it's not like when you flip on the tv you instantly know Cincinnati's playing if you're a casual football fan. It takes a minute to get a closer inspection of the uniform.

If they see the Cpaw and then have to get a 'closer inspection of the uniform' before they recognize us then all that means is they don't recognize us until they read the words "Cincinnati" on our jersey...which means you are saying they don't recognize us at all.

i disagree. I live in SEC-land and people here have seen the Cpaw on my clothes and said things like, "Are you a Bearcat?" etc.

Granted there are people here that wouldn't recognize the Cpaw but so what, the same people probably wouldn't recognize a lot of college logo's.