I can understand Ryan Chandler getting left off the list, given the stats of the other 6 OFers who made Baseball America's two teams, but Glenn Otto got robbed, as his across-the-board stats blow out than of Louisville's Lincoln Henzman, who garnered second team relief pitcher honors....

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/2...rica-team/

Glenn Otto: 23 games, 2-0, 1 save, 41.0 IP, 1.54 ERA, 20 hits, 65 Ks
Lincoln Henzman: 28 games, 5-2, 2 saves, 54.1 IP, 2.32 ERA, 44 hits, 47 Ks

Otto's ERA, BAA and K/IP totals dwarfed those of Henzman, who had 5 more outings largely because Louisville played 9 more games than Rice.

Bummer for Otto, but he's poised for a monster sophomore season.

I only see 6 more games for Louisville than Rice, but d1 baseball could be wrong. But I think that comment hits the real point-- Otto didn't pitch enough. Only 34 IP entering the regionals, and despite his dominant #'s (and the struggles of our closer), the third option out of the pen.

Does BA require a minimum number of innings pitched?

Didn't he not make the CUSA All-Freshman Team? Receiving this one and not that one would be more surprising than him not receiving this one wouldn't it? Im excited to see this kid continue to grow and I hope he uses this as motivation to keep working and come back even more dominant. I think next year's squad could use a bit of a chip on its shoulder and I'm hoping he can be part of that edge that seems to be missing. Time will tell.

(06-22-2015 08:39 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  Didn't he not make the CUSA All-Freshman Team? Receiving this one and not that one would be more surprising than him not receiving this one wouldn't it? Im excited to see this kid continue to grow and I hope he uses this as motivation to keep working and come back even more dominant. I think next year's squad could use a bit of a chip on its shoulder and I'm hoping he can be part of that edge that seems to be missing. Time will tell.

It would be great to see a team that played like the CWS teams. We definitely haven't had the aggressive edge since around 2009.

I wouldn't say Otto's number dwarf that of Henzman. Both had very good numbers and the Louisville pitcher had more wins and saves. I doubt Otto's innings pitched was the biggest factor that didn't get him a nod - probably more the fact that he just had two wins and one save (and that's not his fault obviously). Ironically, those were also the win and totals for Duplantier last year as a freshman.

(06-23-2015 07:21 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wouldn't say Otto's number dwarf that of Henzman. Both had very good numbers and the Louisville pitcher had more wins and saves. I doubt Otto's innings pitched was the biggest factor that didn't get him a nod - probably more the fact that he just had two wins and one save (and that's not his fault obviously). Ironically, those were also the win and totals for Duplantier last year as a freshman.

W-L for a relief pitcher is a pretty meaningless stat, as it has very little to do with one's pitching performance (particularly win totals)...and Henzman had two more losses. Let's see-- Otto's ERA was almost 0.70 lower than Henzman...he gave up 55% fewer hits in just 24% fewer innings....and struck out 18 more batters in 13.1 fewer innings. IMO, those numbers most certainly dwarf those of Henzman.

(06-23-2015 07:28 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:21 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wouldn't say Otto's number dwarf that of Henzman. Both had very good numbers and the Louisville pitcher had more wins and saves. I doubt Otto's innings pitched was the biggest factor that didn't get him a nod - probably more the fact that he just had two wins and one save (and that's not his fault obviously). Ironically, those were also the win and totals for Duplantier last year as a freshman.

W-L for a relief pitcher is a pretty meaningless stat, as it has very little to do with one's pitching performance (particularly win totals)...and Henzman had two more losses. Let's see-- Otto's ERA was almost 0.70 lower than Henzman...he gave up 55% fewer hits in just 24% fewer innings....and struck out 18 more batters in 13.1 fewer innings. IMO, those numbers most certainly dwarf those of Henzman.

You're exhausting. This level of analysis between freshman relief pitcher's stats borderlines on crazy. At the end of the day, whether it's fair or not, one was a top relief pitcher all year on a squad that earned a National Seed. He threw 50+ innings as a freshman. He had a sub 2 ERA, registered almost a K per inning and didn't allow an earned run from the middle of March through the end of their regular season. The other dominated when he was in the game but threw only 30 some innings before the post season. They both had a pretty deserving season. I think Otto is better. I think he's going to prove he's better. But I don't think % increases to demonstrate your use of the word dworf is necessary. I'm also now over this topic. It's going to be a long summer.

If you look at WHIP, Henzman comes out ahead. I didn't realize Glenn had so many walks.

* Otto: 28 walks + 20 hits / 41 innings = 1.17 WHIP
* Henzman: 11 walks + 44 hits / 54.1 innings = 1.01 WHIP

(06-23-2015 09:34 AM)chrisc Wrote:  If you look at WHIP, Henzman comes out ahead. I didn't realize Glenn had so many walks.

* Otto: 28 walks + 20 hits / 41 innings = 1.17 WHIP
* Henzman: 11 walks + 44 hits / 54.1 innings = 1.01 WHIP

I would expect a dwarf to get more walks

Even though the difference in strength of schedule between us and Louisville wasn't dramatic (we were at #48 - they were at #29 per Warren Nolan), you have to wonder if the mediocrity of our conference will start to weigh on issues like this.

Some of the old WAC years produced some lean conference schedules as well, but it feels like we were a little more visible on the national stage during much of that era.

(06-23-2015 10:04 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Even though the difference in strength of schedule between us and Louisville wasn't dramatic (we were at #48 - they were at #29 per Warren Nolan), you have to wonder if the mediocrity of our conference will start to weigh on issues like this.

Some of the old WAC years produced some lean conference schedules as well, but it feels like we were a little more visible on the national stage during much of that era.

Of course, some of those Rice teams were way more dominant against their conference schedules than the current Rice teams. 28-2 in 2002; 25-5 in 2003; 24-6 in 2004.

(06-23-2015 09:34 AM)chrisc Wrote:  If you look at WHIP, Henzman comes out ahead. I didn't realize Glenn had so many walks.

* Otto: 28 walks + 20 hits / 41 innings = 1.17 WHIP
* Henzman: 11 walks + 44 hits / 54.1 innings = 1.01 WHIP

Hi walk frequency went down considerably as the year progressed.

What about comparing Otto with the four pitchers who made the C-USA All-Freshman team:


Otto's ERA, hits, earned runs, and strikeouts are far better than any of the honored four.

If there wasn't a minimum innings pitched requirement, maybe there was a PR disconnect with the voters? The C-USA news release said, "Voting was done by a panel consisting of each head coach, each team's media relations director and a media representative from each city."

The obvious explanation is that Otto's relatively limited IP during the regular season hurt him in these awards, because the rate stats were clearly elite.

Palindromic discrimination. Duh.

(06-24-2015 08:26 AM)mrbig Wrote:  The obvious explanation is that Otto's relatively limited IP during the regular season hurt him in these awards, because the rate stats were clearly elite.

Could never understand why he did see more action. I think he was one of our two most effective pitchers last season.

(06-24-2015 12:36 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(06-24-2015 08:26 AM)mrbig Wrote:  The obvious explanation is that Otto's relatively limited IP during the regular season hurt him in these awards, because the rate stats were clearly elite.

Could never understand why he did see more action. I think he was one of our two most effective pitchers last season.

Keith Law

BA's response to my FaceBook comment...

Quote:Walter Greenberg Please explain to me how Lincoln Henzman got your 2nd team RP nod over Rice's Glenn Otto, who's across-the-board stats blow away Henzman? Not even remotely close.

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Baseball America Henzman's ERA was 1.92 after regionals, which is when we picked the team, and he'd pitched 10 more innings. Otto was on our short list. Henzman had a poor super (3 IP, 3 ER) and the spread is larger now. Otto's walk rate also scared me, but he had a great year and also would have been a fine choice.

Of course, Otto's walk rate improved dramatically as the season progressed, and it was no longer a concern the final month of the season.