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RE: What Do I/We Not Like?
I guess this might go along with branding......uniforms.....Tulsa is not the best known football program in the country and I think a single traditional uniform would help in this area. Someone said, the young guys like a bunch a of funky colored uniforms.....I guess we better notify Alabama, OU, Michigan, USC, etc so they can start making some changes if that's true. The uniform and helmet are probably the number one way of branding a program......let's agree on one uniform that we are going to wear most of the time, unless it conflicts with the other team, then just change the jersey......example, blue jersey 90% of the time, white when needed. Then if you are playing a really important game and wear red jerseys, it is something special, not just another change of uniform. Wearing 5 different uniforms during the season is rinky dink and it makes the program look rinky dink!!!!!!!
07-20-2015 03:55 PM
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Good point. And I think a lot of us traditional fans agree with your view. I assume that color design is done nowdays to "jazz up" the players in some way or appeal to recruits.

The branding thing is essential to a team and program like TU and if there were a way to promote the team by switching brands I'd be 100% for it. We just can't ever get the casual fan to embrace us if the branding is done hap-harzardly or nonsensically. They'll never identify with TU unless there's a name change.

I know a lot of fans who are emotionally attached to Capt Cain or the idea of a Golden Hurricane in Oklahoma just don't understand the way things really work. A "cane" in Oklahoma doesn't really connect with the average Okie casual fan like a pistol packin Cowboy or Sooner wagon. And those casuals are the ones we need desperately to attract. I'm sooooo tired of seeing OU/OSU gear at every store and maybe an occasional TU hat. And most folks have no idea what a Hurricane flag represents or is for. TBH, if we are going to have a hurricane mascot, it should probably be someone in yellow rainstorm attire. But again, change the stupid name and all this nonsense disappears. Even the original name thought of "Golden Tornado" at least made sense.

We need to make money with a different "brand". We need to sell stuff to someone who isn't necessarily a season ticket holder. It starts with a different nickname.

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07-20-2015 05:36 PM
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RE: What Do I/We Not Like?
I'd like to get off track a bit and point something out using the earlier link to college revenues. Of course TU and the other privates don't have to list their individual revenue sources, just the totals. And remember these are 2008 totals - when we were in CUSA - a poorer league. According to my factoids now, our revenue has increased by at least $10,000,000 since that time. But these stats are all I have to go by.

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/revenue

A few things about the OU/OSU figures (approximations).

Money from school -
OU - None
OSU - about $2,000,000

Branding-
OU - $9.6 million
OSU - $1.7 million

From students -
OU - $150,000
OSU - about $2,000,000

Donations (from individuals)
OU - about $13,000,000
OSU - about $55,000,000

So as you see, the Cowboys seem to be making up their revenue shortage compared to the Sooners off of the backs of the students and Alums. Evidently the Sooners don't need that. The reason, I assume, is the popularity, tradition and notoriety of the sooner brand compared to the cowboys. Branding is something that injects itself into all phases of a program, especially if its a stand alone brand. There is only one Longhorn school, one Gator school, or one Seminole school for instance. That brand becomes their calling card and isn't shared by any other team/university.
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07-21-2015 11:03 AM
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RE: What Do I/We Not Like?
Lack of non conference rivals.

I really like the AAC as a league of friendly rivals. We have a very good history with all the schools in the AAC west except Navy. SMU, Houston, Memphis and Tulane have all been members of either CUSA or the MVC and now are our 'brothers" in the AAC. We even have good rivalries with UCF, ECU and Cincinnati who have been in either CUSA or the MVC.

We have a traditional footprint with those schools. But as for non conference rivals, there just aren't many we are scheduling at the moment imo. Thats where we need to improve. As I stated before, there is absolutely no reason to schedule these MAC schools and that just shows how inefficient our athletic administration is at this point and a clear lack of connections they have with our traditional scheduling partners. We don't need to schedule any Ohio schools since we already have a conference foe - Cincy. Same with Florida and UCF/USF. Texas is a different animal. We have an obligation to schedule teams there since that is a prime recruiting area. Same with Louisiana. So who should we schedule outside the AAC?

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1. Any Texas school in the BCS that will come to Chapman
2. Any Texas school not in the BCS that will sign a fair contract.
3. Any Louisiana school that fits #1 or #2.
4. Any school we have a tradtition with who has been in a division of a league we were in and/or borders Oklahoma.

That list would include Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, Air Force, New Mexico, CSU, So Miss. La La, UTSA, Texas St, Arkansas St, New Mexico St, ULM. Included would be any BCS school that borders Oklahoma but doesn't have the name "Oklahoma" in it.

I'M a little redundant about schedules, but it is extremely important and is the lifeblood of the program. Better crowds = more money.
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07-29-2015 11:02 AM
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Well good folks its almost Halloween. Going back to my "branding" argument a moment is this.

There will be a lot of halloween costumes tomorrow night and some of these little kiddies will be dressed up as an OU sooner or OSU cowboy and even an Arkansas Razorback or wear some Longhorn "horns" etc. But because of our "brand name" there won't be anyone dressed up as a hurricane - its impossible to do that.

So imo we need a different brand "name" to sell those halloween clothes that make TU "brand" money. Many schools chnage their brand name and two local ones have as well - ORU (Titans) and OSU (Aggies). In the end its just a name, but if it sells it makes sense.

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10-30-2015 09:56 AM
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I'm not sure I understand your argument about Halloween costumes... If a kid dressed up as a sooner, wouldn't he just be dressing up as a football player? Couldn't a kid just as easily dress up as a TU football player?

Same could be said for the other teams you mentioned. Of course many of the Cowboys, pigs or cows you see trick or treating probably won't be affiliated with a university.
10-30-2015 11:17 AM
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What I meant was a Pistol Pete or an OU trailboss - both with cowboy themes - a human being, not a weather event which is nonsensical (a hurricane in the middle of the country) - to me. I suppose the only thing that might be done with the name we are stuck with, is to wear one of the yellow "slickers" with a hood. But my argument is we need more revenue and something that makes sense to sell to the general public, not just our own diehard fans that buy this stuff. I have 6 TU shirts (white and blue), two hoodies, three hats and gave away 3 or 4 others to my friends. My lady, when she goes, also has a lot I bought her, but I just won't buy anything with the flags or that says GH name on it because then I may have to explain "once again" what that means. Geesh, I get tired of that!. People just have that look of "huh?".

How can you sell that stuff to people that think its some kind of joke? We're losing money over it.
10-30-2015 02:42 PM
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RE: What Do I/We Not Like?
I don't think the nickname is that big of an issue. I can understand your reasons for wanting to change it but I think at this point it wouldn't make much of a difference. We've been the Golden Hurricane for about a hundred years now and people are used to that name. My high school had a unique nickname just like TU's and opponents made fun of it much more than people made fun of TU's. We embraced it and were proud of it. And part of that was because there was no other school in the world with our nickname, just liike there's no other Golden Hurricane.
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I completely understand what you're saying and respect that. But I suppose I started this thread as a way of letting off steam for the TU fans. I'm cetrainly not disloyal because there are parts of the program I think need improvement.

I just think there are some things in every program that could change for the better. For instance I think some of the other programs in the state run dirty programs or could care less about the education they provide their athletes. I even know of a few of those athletes that can barely read or know their multiplication tables. Stuff like that. But in this league we need to look at how to improve the program - everything about it and not just accept everything that needs a little tweeking from time to time. For instance if a facility isn't good, we might need to change that by tearing the old one down and rebuilding. But again, I think OSU was enhanced by changing its "brand", even if they share that brand with the pro team in Dallas.

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10-30-2015 04:56 PM
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Regarding your point about Oklahoma state changing from Aggies to Cowboys... Texas A&M is the Aggies and they have one of the biggest fan bases in the country.... So I don't think it has to do as much with the name as you're implying, but actually with the school's fan base. Tulsa could change their name to whatever you'd like it to be, but until our "fans" actual commit to being TU fans, it won't matter. What TU has to do is find a way do get around 30k people in a metro area of over 1 million to chapman stadium 5-6 times per year. It shouldn't be that hard.... But it is. There is a long list of things TU could do differently:

Alcohol sales in the stadium (even heavily regulated sales would bump up attendance).

Cheaper crappy seats - seats at the top of the end zone should be at most $10 (if not $5 for less popular opponents).

Make tailgating space available to whoever would like it in several places around campus rather than having to pay $600-1000 for a tailgate space.

Better attractions for fans that aren't football related. Sorry, but the crappy bands they have playing on chapman commons just aren't cutting it. There needs to be events like a beer garden, fireworks show after the game, legitimate giveaway items, etc.

Get rid of the elitist attitude that a bunch of upity folks exude. Yes we're all proud to be alumni and TU means a lot to me, but that doesn't mean anyone should look down on a fellow Tulsan who is interested in coming out to our games.

These are just a few things, and there are many more but none of these will ever happen because of the institutional advancement department that continues to shoot down almost every idea the marketing department puts forward.
10-31-2015 08:08 AM
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