(06-18-2015 09:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 09:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 09:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 06:55 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I honestly do not understand how anyone can read that article and think it leads to the position that Texas is going PAC. They hired Patterson because of his Pro Sports history. They wanted him to bring his knowledge from that sphere into the college sports sphere. Just look where college sports is going. The problem isn't between Patterson and his contemporaries and bosses. It's with boosters that want to be gladhanded. There is no such thing in Pro Sports. He was known for the same thing at ASU, him leaving was a good thing for ASU but his time at ASU was a positive for ASU.

If Texas was PAC bound, then they already should have been in the PAC. If you think one single man, Deloss Dodds single handedly kept Texas out of the PAC then you put give far too much credit to how much power any one single man can have at Texas.

I'm not convinced Texas is moving, east or west.

Patterson may need to adjust to the Texas culture. Texas may also need to adjust to Patterson.

Patterson went to UT.

Ahhh! So you are saying that The University of Texas just needs to get to know itself?

People have been complaining about Patterson almost since the beginning. Patterson needs to get to know himself. He doesn't have all the skills needed for the job and doesn't seem to have a schmoozer to do that part of the job for him. Mack Brown played that role for years. Charlie Strong doesn't like that role and isn't really temperamentally suited for it. Patterson isn't good at it.

Oh, I agree, he is terrible at that aspect of the job. He didn't need to be in the Leagues. He isn't all that missed in Tempe. The fact that Texas is his alma mater makes it sting all the less for that being the case. The current AD has it quite well now thanks to him. It's not that hard to be liked when you follow an act like that.

(06-18-2015 06:21 PM)Ghis Wrote:  If you proscribe to the theory that college sports is turning (or has turned) into a business, then hiring Patterson made sense. He understands the business of sports. If however you feel that college sports is more than just about money, well, you're gonna have a problem with Patterson.

Regardless of your position, I find it amusing that the pinnacle of the P5 money hoarding machine is bitchin' about funds and pinchin' pennies here and there, while the fan base which feels it is entitled to anything it wants based upon a history of self-indulgence, now feels neglected. Screw'em!!! Go live with your hypocrisy.

Athletics is a business at a handful of schools and it is rarely run like a business at any school, because if it were run like a business athletics would be expected to provide a spendable return to the owner (the school). We are 14 and half decades into the intercollegiate football universe and only a tiny fraction of the biggest revenue producers have reached return on investment stage.

Texas is being run like a business.

The problem Texas has is the customers mostly don't give a crap if athletics gives the university $100 million or takes $100 million from the university. If they do care it is only to use as a brag point.

The customers want to be club members not customers, they feel ownership in what the uniforms look like, who gets recruited, who the coach is and what the schedule is like. They want the coach and AD to be their pals who are working as the caretakers of what the club members own.

The issue for Texas is to be a business while maintaining the fiction that the customer is a club member.

(06-18-2015 05:18 PM)prp Wrote:  He's making all the same mistakes Dave Brandon made at Michigan. If he's not careful, he'll be following Brandon to the unemployment line. Of course, if the Longhorns start playing like champions again on the football field, no one will care.

None of that matters. He will already be a millionaire multiple times over.

(06-19-2015 08:21 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:18 PM)prp Wrote:  He's making all the same mistakes Dave Brandon made at Michigan. If he's not careful, he'll be following Brandon to the unemployment line. Of course, if the Longhorns start playing like champions again on the football field, no one will care.

None of that matters. He will already be a millionaire multiple times over.

All the money in the world can't buy respect.

(06-19-2015 10:43 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 08:21 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:18 PM)prp Wrote:  He's making all the same mistakes Dave Brandon made at Michigan. If he's not careful, he'll be following Brandon to the unemployment line. Of course, if the Longhorns start playing like champions again on the football field, no one will care.

None of that matters. He will already be a millionaire multiple times over.

All the money in the world can't buy respect.

Agree 100%, it's (college athletics in general) a sorry state of affairs.

(06-18-2015 11:08 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...acing-heat

This is a comprehensive beatdown of a hit-piece. A fascinating look at what an almighty s***show is playing out in Austin.

I said this elsewhere... Take this thing with a grain of salt.

Chip Brown was in DeLoss Dodds' back-pocket. When Dodds needed to say something without "saying something" he'd use Chip and "Orangebloods" to get the word out. Chip got a lot out of that relationship. Petersen isn't Dodds and probably isn't using Chip and the Orangebloods anymore.

In other words, Chip has motive to stir up animosity and create a story here.

Didn't Michigan just have a CEO-type AD that they forced out? The fanbase and alumni hated him.

(06-19-2015 11:26 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 11:08 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...acing-heat

This is a comprehensive beatdown of a hit-piece. A fascinating look at what an almighty s***show is playing out in Austin.

I said this elsewhere... Take this thing with a grain of salt.

Chip Brown was in DeLoss Dodds back-pocket. When Dodds' needed to say something without "saying something" he'd use Chip and "Orangebloods" to get the word out. Chip got a lot out of that relationship. Petersen isn't Dodds and probably isn't using Chip and the Orangebloods anymore.

In other words, Chip has motive to stir up animosity and create a story here.

You are on to something. I am here in Austin and have not heard any of this and many of the top boosters, board of regents and President are happy with him.

(06-19-2015 11:26 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 11:08 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...acing-heat

This is a comprehensive beatdown of a hit-piece. A fascinating look at what an almighty s***show is playing out in Austin.

I said this elsewhere... Take this thing with a grain of salt.

Chip Brown was in DeLoss Dodds back-pocket. When Dodds' needed to say something without "saying something" he'd use Chip and "Orangebloods" to get the word out. Chip got a lot out of that relationship. Petersen isn't Dodds and probably isn't using Chip and the Orangebloods anymore.

In other words, Chip has motive to stir up animosity and create a story here.

I realize that is a common theme. But really, the general belief at Texas is that Chip and Deloss didn't get along particularly well and Deloss didn't share with him. It was others in the Texas AD. And Chip is kind of late on the bus with the bash Steve. There's been a thread going on for months (at least since October) at ShaggyBevo. Apparently that started when he cut the pom squad in half. And there were lots of complaints before that.

Now to some extent he is getting flak for doing things that needed to be done. Instead of just saying yes to everything because we have lots of money, he is starting to make some hard decisions. Some of them seem pretty poor. But some seem appropriate.

(06-19-2015 11:37 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 11:26 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 11:08 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...acing-heat
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This is a comprehensive beatdown of a hit-piece. A fascinating look at what an almighty s***show is playing out in Austin.

I said this elsewhere... Take this thing with a grain of salt.

Chip Brown was in DeLoss Dodds back-pocket. When Dodds' needed to say something without "saying something" he'd use Chip and "Orangebloods" to get the word out. Chip got a lot out of that relationship. Petersen isn't Dodds and probably isn't using Chip and the Orangebloods anymore.

In other words, Chip has motive to stir up animosity and create a story here.

You are on to something. I am here in Austin and have not heard any of this and many of the top boosters, board of regents and President are happy with him.

WVU went through a similar issue with John Raese, who lost out on his sweetheart deal when Oliver Luck switched WVU's tier 3 right from WV Media Holdings, owned by John Raese, to IMG, for about 4000% more money.

I think the corporatization of the athletic department is far greater risk to the future of intercollegiate athletics that the "oh you can get such a better view at home" threat.

At least here in the south and I suppose it's true elsewhere there are two basic types of fans.
1. Those who support their alma mater
2. Those who view their favorite team like their version of a local NFL franchise.

Maybe you won't run off group two but a lot of group two is people who are going to be priced out of the stadium.
Group one has an emotional attachment that if you over commercialize it is going to turn them off.

Right now things are super fun at AState. Football is winning games, AD is getting stuff built all over the place but so far it is just old-fashioned fund-raising effort and offering new experiences (super premium seating) that drive the money. Once that is maximized it will be harder to grow.

Our current AD has been able to shake a lot of stuff up but he was a starting football player for us 25 years ago (not a star player but a starter) and he's accomplished things people didn't think could be done at AState but when he moves on, some suit isn't going to carry the credibility.

A couple years ago on senior day we were down 10 at the half and the mood in the stands was very ugly. He took a microphone down on the sideline and started a calm little "look it's not going the way we want today" speech invoked the team's need for support and then veered off into this amazing stream of consciousness rallying speech for the fans. The team comes out and the place is going wild and I know they had to be puzzled. We kickoff, hold the opponent, block their punt for a TD. Kickoff and two plays later take the lead on a scoop and score. Absolute madhouse. But after the game I was talking to a long-time veteran writer and I said "Most any other AD tries that stunt, it would be a disaster" and he says "Oh yeah people would be calling the radio shows demanding the AD be fired after that in most places." An alum, former player, former assistant coach can get away with it because the fans identify more with them. The fund-raising suits at most places have no credibility with the fans, they are more like the CEO they are afraid is going to lay them off so he can qualify for another bonus.

(06-18-2015 10:34 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 09:59 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 09:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  Oh, and before someone else posts it, former Texas QB Chris Simms says he got a number of hundred $ handshakes while at UT in the early 00s.

From ESPN:

Quote:"They didn't pay me," Simms said. "There might have been cash going around to some other players. I'm not going to deny that. I got some $100 handshakes every now and then for signing some autographs for, you know, a big alumni."

No worries. SMU paid the price for all of college footballs' sins so other programs could live.

Oh Jesus, why was that as funny to me as it was? I laughed way too hard at that...