http://baltimore.cityandpress.com/node/9748895

I never understood why the women weren't charter members of B1G women's LAX. At any rate, Hopkins is all in for the B1G may as well join up on the academic side too with the CIC.

Johns Hopkins and Delaware State were the only independents - that probably made it difficult to put together a schedule. Maryland, Rutgers, and Penn State also make for short road trips.

(06-17-2015 07:22 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://baltimore.cityandpress.com/node/9748895

I never understood why the women weren't charter members of B1G women's LAX. At any rate, Hopkins is all in for the B1G may as well join up on the academic side too with the CIC.

http://www.startribune.com/feds-weigh-al...306866861/

Wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota has to add women's lax based on this news.

Would make eight women's lax teams. The Twin Cities High Schools have well developed lax programs, with many hockey players play lax in the spring. The skill level is there.

Johns Hopkins is a very interesting choice to say. They are D3 for the rest of their sports, and they do have football. I am wondering if they might make a move to upgrade all sports to D2 for 10 to 12 years, then go to D1 FCS for a few years to build up their program? They did have a history at major football at one time where they went to bowl games in the 1920s-30s. It was considered a major college football player at that time. Johns is an AAU school, and could fit into Big 10 for all sports. They are higher up in rankings.

(06-18-2015 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Johns Hopkins is a very interesting choice to say. They are D3 for the rest of their sports, and they do have football. I am wondering if they might make a move to upgrade all sports to D2 for 10 to 12 years, then go to D1 FCS for a few years to build up their program? They did have a history at major football at one time where they went to bowl games in the 1920s-30s. It was considered a major college football player at that time. Johns is an AAU school, and could fit into Big 10 for all sports. They are higher up in rankings.

Dear lord stop. Not every school wants to be D1. This is as ridiculous as Wayne State.

You can tell the CIC offer is a sensitive matter, as both the Big Ten and Hopkins releases mention nothing of it. When the men joined, the Big Ten announced the University was invited to the CIC. Later items noted JHU would consider.

The Big Ten needs JHU in the CIC for its validity far more than Hopkins needs the CIC. It's good for the B1G that JHU wanted further conference affiliations, maybe making that membership happen, but kind of odd the matter is seen nowhere in the official releases.

I think Hopkins rebuffed the offer, though it probably still stands.

The B1G is just trying to cover their rear ends.
The further down the realignment road we go the less important football will be. With the reliance of conference networks for income, the importance of year-round programming grows.
Lacrosse is a fast growing sport and the B1G had no real foothold in the Lax marketplace. So they bought a game to give themselves time to develop their own Lax presence.

(06-18-2015 07:04 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  You can tell the CIC offer is a sensitive matter, as both the Big Ten and Hopkins releases mention nothing of it. When the men joined, the Big Ten announced the University was invited to the CIC. Later items noted JHU would consider.

The Big Ten needs JHU in the CIC for its validity far more than Hopkins needs the CIC. It's good for the B1G that JHU wanted further conference affiliations, maybe making that membership happen, but kind of odd the matter is seen nowhere in the official releases.

I think Hopkins rebuffed the offer, though it probably still stands.

I don't think the CIC "needs" Hopkins for validity, but i do think they absolutely want the #1 research university for like the last 50 years as a member!!! And whereas most schools would be happy to join such an affiliation, Hopkins is the one school that can choose not to join and it wouldn't affect them at all.

(06-18-2015 07:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  The B1G is just trying to cover their rear ends.
The further down the realignment road we go the less important football will be. With the reliance of conference networks for income, the importance of year-round programming grows.
Lacrosse is a fast growing sport and the B1G had no real foothold in the Lax marketplace. So they bought a game to give themselves time to develop their own Lax presence.

I don't doubt that the B1G wants a full robust package of events to televize year round and Lacrosse is an awesome schedule filler in spring to coincide with baseball, however my understanding is that Maryland really pushed for the Hopkins addition.

http://d1scourse.typepad.com/blog/2013/0...rosse.html

LAX was/is important for Maryland and they had to figure that losing the ACC was going to be a major drawback for the men's program and to a lesser extent the women's program.

Hopkins was interested because they saw random horrible teams get hot at the right time and win their conference tourney and get into the NCAAs. Case in point I seriously doubt they would have gotten into the NCAAs this year had they not won the conference tournament but they got in and made the final 4.

Last thing, i dont believe football grows less valuable with time, i think that the opposite is true. Now i agree that the more competitive a school is in multiple sports certainly helps but football drive the bus and i dont see that changing.

(06-18-2015 05:21 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Johns Hopkins is a very interesting choice to say. They are D3 for the rest of their sports, and they do have football. I am wondering if they might make a move to upgrade all sports to D2 for 10 to 12 years, then go to D1 FCS for a few years to build up their program? They did have a history at major football at one time where they went to bowl games in the 1920s-30s. It was considered a major college football player at that time. Johns is an AAU school, and could fit into Big 10 for all sports. They are higher up in rankings.

Dear lord stop. Not every school wants to be D1. This is as ridiculous as Wayne State.

From Johns Hopkins University president Ronald J. Daniels

"And, as always, we remain proudly and deeply committed to NCAA Division III status in all other varsity intercollegiate athletics."

This was in a letter published when Hopkins first announced the men were joining the B1G. Could things have changed since then? Yes, but I doubt it.

Posted in B1G forum but since this is out here…post it here also.

With the JHU women's lax now joining it brings up a few interesting questions (fun to think about but it is to early to answer).

"We have agreed to an initial membership term of five years and to re-examining the relationship after three years to determine if it should be extended. Our NCAA Division I women's lacrosse program will continue play as part of the American Lacrosse Conference next year before moving to independent status in 2015. And, as always, we remain proudly and deeply committed to NCAA Division III status in all other varsity intercollegiate athletics." - Johns Hopkins University president Ronald J. Daniels

What does it mean that the women were independent for 1 year? Was this the plan all along? Was the mens team making the tournament essentially due to their play in the conference tournament a deciding factor? Did Hopkins decide after 1 year this is a great place for them to be? If Hopkins does make the B1G their conference home do they also join the CIC (finally)? With the way lax has ben growing, who else, mens or women may start up a team?

(06-18-2015 07:20 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  And whereas most schools would be happy to join such an affiliation, Hopkins is the one school that can choose not to join and it wouldn't affect them at all.

I can think of eight schools who make up an entire D1 conference who would decline, too. One more that sits in the same town as one of those eight that doesn't have much of a D1 presence. And probably more.

Nobody really needs the CIC. Other schools and conferences go without. Clearly, the AAU is incalculably more desirable, and beyond that, just being affiliated in the same conference with the likes of some are enough for others.

It's the faculty who go ballistic over stuff like that. Case in point, Notre Dame back in the 90's. Faculty wanted to join the CIC, but left the language about joining the Big Ten out. Once administrators, students, and alumni caught wind of it, the faculty were put into their place.

(06-18-2015 07:49 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:21 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Johns Hopkins is a very interesting choice to say. They are D3 for the rest of their sports, and they do have football. I am wondering if they might make a move to upgrade all sports to D2 for 10 to 12 years, then go to D1 FCS for a few years to build up their program? They did have a history at major football at one time where they went to bowl games in the 1920s-30s. It was considered a major college football player at that time. Johns is an AAU school, and could fit into Big 10 for all sports. They are higher up in rankings.

Dear lord stop. Not every school wants to be D1. This is as ridiculous as Wayne State.

From Johns Hopkins University president Ronald J. Daniels

"And, as always, we remain proudly and deeply committed to NCAA Division III status in all other varsity intercollegiate athletics."

This was in a letter published when Hopkins first announced the men were joining the B1G. Could things have changed since then? Yes, but I doubt it.

Would not mean that the Big 10 would not try as hard to push them to join for all sports down the road. They really want a #1 research institute in their midst for all sports. It could help boast the image for the rest of their schools as well. It is the Big 10 stand point that wants Johns Hopkins for all sports, and not the standpoint of Johns Hopkins.

Johns Hopkins is going to join the B1G as a full member in all sports someday?

Drugs are bad David, really bad.

(06-18-2015 12:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 07:49 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:21 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Johns Hopkins is a very interesting choice to say. They are D3 for the rest of their sports, and they do have football. I am wondering if they might make a move to upgrade all sports to D2 for 10 to 12 years, then go to D1 FCS for a few years to build up their program? They did have a history at major football at one time where they went to bowl games in the 1920s-30s. It was considered a major college football player at that time. Johns is an AAU school, and could fit into Big 10 for all sports. They are higher up in rankings.

Dear lord stop. Not every school wants to be D1. This is as ridiculous as Wayne State.

From Johns Hopkins University president Ronald J. Daniels

"And, as always, we remain proudly and deeply committed to NCAA Division III status in all other varsity intercollegiate athletics."

This was in a letter published when Hopkins first announced the men were joining the B1G. Could things have changed since then? Yes, but I doubt it.

Would not mean that the Big 10 would not try as hard to push them to join for all sports down the road. They really want a #1 research institute in their midst for all sports. It could help boast the image for the rest of their schools as well. It is the Big 10 stand point that wants Johns Hopkins for all sports, and not the standpoint of Johns Hopkins.

The Big Ten doesn't care about Johns Hopkins for other sports. They are a superpower in men's lacrosse along with being an academically elite research institution directly in the Big Ten's new footprint - JHU simply fit exactly what the Big Ten needed (a 6th men's lacrosse member) without impacting football or basketball at all.