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RE: Navy will be eligible for G5 slot.
(06-17-2015 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-17-2015 12:40 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  So what if Navy is ranked #2 of the G5 teams and Army is having a good year and a convincing Navy win over Army could move them over the #1 ranked G5 team?

Wouldn't matter for Army as they cannot claim the G5 access bowl slot---it is reserved for the highest rated champion from the G5 conferences.

Army doesn't need the Access Bowl, we are a P5 team.
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This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.
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(06-18-2015 03:07 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.

Yes, hard to argue with this. It doesn't inconvenience anyone else to any serious degree, and it allows for the best G5 champ to play in the Access bowl, if Navy happens to be that team, but doesn't give Navy any special treatment, they need to beat Army before getting that prize.

Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.
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(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 03:07 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.

Yes, hard to argue with this. It doesn't inconvenience anyone else to any serious degree, and it allows for the best G5 champ to play in the Access bowl, if Navy happens to be that team, but doesn't give Navy any special treatment, they need to beat Army before getting that prize.

Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I always felt that Navy shouldn't get special consideration just because they want to play the A/N Game after Championship weekend. For selection purposes, simply assuming Navy had a loss going into that game would have been sufficient.
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(06-22-2015 08:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 03:07 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.

Yes, hard to argue with this. It doesn't inconvenience anyone else to any serious degree, and it allows for the best G5 champ to play in the Access bowl, if Navy happens to be that team, but doesn't give Navy any special treatment, they need to beat Army before getting that prize.

Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I always felt that Navy shouldn't get special consideration just because they want to play the A/N Game after Championship weekend. For selection purposes, simply assuming Navy had a loss going into that game would have been sufficient.

The thing is, that sounds great on paper, but in reality, that would be ravaged every time it happens, unpatriotic.
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(06-22-2015 08:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-22-2015 08:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 03:07 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.

Yes, hard to argue with this. It doesn't inconvenience anyone else to any serious degree, and it allows for the best G5 champ to play in the Access bowl, if Navy happens to be that team, but doesn't give Navy any special treatment, they need to beat Army before getting that prize.

Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I always felt that Navy shouldn't get special consideration just because they want to play the A/N Game after Championship weekend. For selection purposes, simply assuming Navy had a loss going into that game would have been sufficient.

The thing is, that sounds great on paper, but in reality, that would be ravaged every time it happens, unpatriotic.

It doesn't even sound great on paper to me. I don't want the committee assuming anyone has a loss. Just wait for the results to come in.
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(06-22-2015 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-22-2015 08:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-22-2015 08:20 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 03:07 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  This was the right move in my opinion. It might suck in one year, but odds are it's never an issue anyway and if it is, it's probably an issue once.

Yes, hard to argue with this. It doesn't inconvenience anyone else to any serious degree, and it allows for the best G5 champ to play in the Access bowl, if Navy happens to be that team, but doesn't give Navy any special treatment, they need to beat Army before getting that prize.

Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I always felt that Navy shouldn't get special consideration just because they want to play the A/N Game after Championship weekend. For selection purposes, simply assuming Navy had a loss going into that game would have been sufficient.

The thing is, that sounds great on paper, but in reality, that would be ravaged every time it happens, unpatriotic.

It doesn't even sound great on paper to me. I don't want the committee assuming anyone has a loss. Just wait for the results to come in.

Then why play the A/N Game after championship weekend? the game coexisted with CCG's for about a decade just fine. If the service academies want to do something different so be it. But I don't see why it needs to impact the selection committee and their deliberations.
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(06-17-2015 07:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Really? I'd say you actually don't seem to be giving Navy much credit at all since your entire assumption is based on Navy winning the AAC and then losing to Army.

I'm not a gambler, by any stretch of the imagination, but I would be comfortable betting that ANY AAC champion will beat Army. I for one, by the way, will not be surprised to see Navy win the conference title. I expect them to compete well most years. Really looking forward to having them in Memphis AND to future trips to Annapolis. Wish I could say the same about Army and Air Force.
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(06-18-2015 02:43 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(06-17-2015 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Wouldn't matter for Army as they cannot claim the G5 access bowl slot---it is reserved for the highest rated champion from the G5 conferences.

Army doesn't need the Access Bowl, we are a P5 team.

Hopefully this is a joke, and it is not a case of you misunderstanding the difference between being considered one for scheduling purposes by one conference, and actually being a member.
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(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I remember that that's how the bowls used to work--for some reason, bowl invitations were out before the last game of the season for some schools. The bowls took their chances.

But I was a kid in NYC, so to me college football was just something in Sports Illustrated after I'd read everything else in Sports Illustrated. Fellow old timers?
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(06-23-2015 07:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I remember that that's how the bowls used to work--for some reason, bowl invitations were out before the last game of the season for some schools. The bowls took their chances.

Yes, and the polls would choose their champions before the bowl games as well.

Those were silly ways of doing things, thankfully not done anymore.

I love that college football is infused with tradition, but as the confederate flag issue reminds us, not all traditions are worth keeping. I like how the CFP is going to handle Navy.
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(06-23-2015 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-23-2015 07:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-18-2015 06:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Some loons on the AAC forum actually thought that the CFP should make the selection before the Army-Navy game, such that if Navy was #1 going in to that game, they could be selected for the Access spot and still keep it even if they then lost to Army. That would have been crazy.

I remember that that's how the bowls used to work--for some reason, bowl invitations were out before the last game of the season for some schools. The bowls took their chances.

Yes, and the polls would choose their champions before the bowl games as well.

Those were silly ways of doing things, thankfully not done anymore.

I love that college football is infused with tradition, but as the confederate flag issue reminds us, not all traditions are worth keeping. I like how the CFP is going to handle Navy.

In this particular case, setting the bowl lineups without knowing the result of the Army-Navy game might have been the better option. As it is, you have the potential to have two conferences' worth of bowl tie-ins up in the air.

Let's look at last year's finishers, pretending that Navy wins the AAC CCG, and is ranked above Boise State going into the Army-Navy game.

So if Navy beats Army, Boise is bumped out of the Fiesta Bowl into the Las Vegas Bowl, which bumps Colorado State to maybe the Hawaii Bowl, sending 6-7 Fresno to idaknow the Bahamas Bowl who sends Western Kentucky to fill Navy's spot in the Pointsettia Bowl.

On the other hand, if Navy loses, Navy bumps an AAC team out of their bowl spot.

Freezing the rankings before the Army-Navy game isn't ideal, but neither is holding two conferences' bowl lineups in limbo for an extra week.
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I think from what I see here, in this case they will not hold to standard tie-ins. So in the example above, if Navy was number one and Boise was set to go to the Fiesta Bowl, then if Navy wins the status quo remains. If Navy were to lose, instead of rearranging all of the bowls, Navy and Boise St just swap spots, and everyone else remains the same.

The only way I see this becoming a real issue is, and as far fetched as this may be, it is plausible, if Navy is up for a playoff spot. Then it would cause chaos.
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(06-23-2015 01:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I think from what I see here, in this case they will not hold to standard tie-ins. So in the example above, if Navy was number one and Boise was set to go to the Fiesta Bowl, then if Navy wins the status quo remains. If Navy were to lose, instead of rearranging all of the bowls, Navy and Boise St just swap spots, and everyone else remains the same.

The only way I see this becoming a real issue is, and as far fetched as this may be, it is plausible, if Navy is up for a playoff spot. Then it would cause chaos.

So Navy would get the MWC's #1 tie in in Vegas? Or Boise would go to Annapolis/Birmingham/Miami Beach instead of an AAC team?

Or would ESPN ride to the rescue, brokering a deal where the Navy/Boise State runner-up goes to fill a vacant P5 bowl?

I, personally, would have chosen predictability over complete fairness. The Powers That Be have chosen differently. If Navy ever makes a run at the Access Bowl, we'll see what happens.
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(06-23-2015 07:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  .... to me college football was just something in Sports Illustrated after I'd read everything else in Sports Illustrated. Fellow old timers?

This old timer only reads Sports Illustrated when fighting boredom in a waiting room. College football is the FIRST thing I look for, then college baseball (which is rarely in it), then college basketball. After that, I put the rag down and look for something like a Time or National Geographic.
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(06-23-2015 01:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-23-2015 01:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I think from what I see here, in this case they will not hold to standard tie-ins. So in the example above, if Navy was number one and Boise was set to go to the Fiesta Bowl, then if Navy wins the status quo remains. If Navy were to lose, instead of rearranging all of the bowls, Navy and Boise St just swap spots, and everyone else remains the same.

So Navy would get the MWC's #1 tie in in Vegas? Or Boise would go to Annapolis/Birmingham/Miami Beach instead of an AAC team?

I am going off the way I interpreted what was written. I do not "know" for sure. But I believe they would just swap out yes, in that scenario Navy would get the # 1 tie in. Sounds bad, but it would be in exchange for the Access slot (as opposed to allowing Navy to just keep the access slot, for example). The alternative requires many moving parts, on a short deadline (remember some of those early bowls start only a week after the Army/Navy game. This way as few teams are affected as possible.
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(06-23-2015 01:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-23-2015 01:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-23-2015 01:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I think from what I see here, in this case they will not hold to standard tie-ins. So in the example above, if Navy was number one and Boise was set to go to the Fiesta Bowl, then if Navy wins the status quo remains. If Navy were to lose, instead of rearranging all of the bowls, Navy and Boise St just swap spots, and everyone else remains the same.

So Navy would get the MWC's #1 tie in in Vegas? Or Boise would go to Annapolis/Birmingham/Miami Beach instead of an AAC team?

I am going off the way I interpreted what was written. I do not "know" for sure. But I believe they would just swap out yes, in that scenario Navy would get the # 1 tie in. Sounds bad, but it would be in exchange for the Access slot (as opposed to allowing Navy to just keep the access slot, for example). The alternative requires many moving parts, on a short deadline (remember some of those early bowls start only a week after the Army/Navy game. This way as few teams are affected as possible.

That's at least much less complicated. Two bowls are up in the air, not a dozen.
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