(06-16-2015 04:32 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 02:04 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 08:05 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:04 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Using G5 metrics of RPI & CFP for the big 3 sports:

First:
AAC - Most consistency across sports, but has not separated from the G5 in FB as expected. #8 conference in FB & BB; national strength in Baseball

Virtual Tie:
MWC, C-USA, MAC - MWC leads with football, CUSA baseball, and MAC basketball

Last:
SBC - last G5 in all 3 sports; heavily invested in FB improvement; basketball is a weakness

IMO, the AAC has performed with consistent strength at the top of the conference.
MWC, C-USA, MAC have more solid performers further down into membership.
SBC has a large, heavy boat anchor at the bottom half of their conference.

If a reader is totally ignorant they might believe your post.

Little FYI the SBC was the top non-aq conference the last year of the BCS, and got the money. Finished 2nd the year before.

Most of their marginal performing programs went to CUSA, and more importantly going forward they kept ALL of their better football programs, and all this is about football.

Two of their low performing programs are football only members that they may or may not keep. They will be evaluated by the SBC. The other G5 Conferences are stuck with theirs.

They have added high performing AppSt, and GaSo who are simply better football programs than any they lost, and among the big gets of realignment.

TxSt has already passed UNT.

Yes newbie GaSt, who is more a CUSA type than a SBC type, is not very good, but they have as much potential as the majority of 'market' programs added to CUSA.

Every other program in the SBC has shown on the field where it counts, that they can play as good and in most cases better football than the teams that went to CUSA. Again keep in mind they kept their best football programs......did not lose even one, and very well may have added two programs that will be as good as any current G5 in GaSo, and AppSt.

You are right about one thing the SBC is making a heavy investment in football, and are in fact betting the house on football, and as a result they should be stronger in football, and more often than not better than CUSA, and probably the MAC.

The SBC will in fact be known as a football conference, and people in the national media are already making note of that fact, and will do more so in the future.

CUSA went the 'market' route, and that will eventually bite them in the butt in football, and there is nothing they can do about it.

Many of the "marginally performing" Sun Belt programs partly responsible for the Sun Belt's "up" years are now in CUSA. The SBC won 5 OOC FBS games last year. If that is the early returns on their "heavy investment" it is time to re-evaluate who is managing your portfolio. CUSA is as heavily invested in football as every other conference, including teams upgrading facilities, salaries, schedules and recruiting. It is amazing with all the marginal, market programs CUSA added that they finished second among G5 conferences and leagues ahead of the football first, heavily committed, better programs in the SBC.

Maybe more CUSA teams should there money where your mouth is and schedule more SBC teams. I know our AD has been reaching out to schedule CUSA teams but some wont even return our calls. Begs the question what are they afraid of?

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I would guess lowering their strength of schedule? Lol. ODU scheduled a home & home with App St. So maybe your AD is full of beans.

(06-15-2015 11:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 11:03 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  Let's make this real simple...

Marshall's road trips in the CUSA East Division include Virginia Beach, West Palm Beach, South Beach, Nashville, and Charlotte.

In the MAC, your division road trips are either...
A.) Dekalb, Ypsilanti, Kalamazoo, Muncie, Toledo... or
B.) Cleveland, Cleveland, Athens, Buffalo, Bowling Green, OH.

I think I know who wins this one...

Marshall spent 8 years in the MAC. C-USA 3.0 is still a better league to be a part of and have much more upside. Of this there is zero doubt or debate.

Let's make it even more simple- the total number of Marshall fans who actually travel to these destinations could all ride together in the same car.

You brag about these places like Herd fans are rolling 10K deep to every away game. The MAC cities are more attractive because they are within a reasonable travel distance to their fans. You know good and well Marshall fans showed better at MAC venues than in CUSA.

We've been known to have around 5k to games in Florida. This is also the first year playing at Charlotte, I'm going, already have tickets. ODU only has a limited amount of tickets available to visiting fans, we sold all of ours.

(06-16-2015 04:32 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 02:04 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 08:05 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:04 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Using G5 metrics of RPI & CFP for the big 3 sports:

First:
AAC - Most consistency across sports, but has not separated from the G5 in FB as expected. #8 conference in FB & BB; national strength in Baseball

Virtual Tie:
MWC, C-USA, MAC - MWC leads with football, CUSA baseball, and MAC basketball

Last:
SBC - last G5 in all 3 sports; heavily invested in FB improvement; basketball is a weakness

IMO, the AAC has performed with consistent strength at the top of the conference.
MWC, C-USA, MAC have more solid performers further down into membership.
SBC has a large, heavy boat anchor at the bottom half of their conference.

If a reader is totally ignorant they might believe your post.

Little FYI the SBC was the top non-aq conference the last year of the BCS, and got the money. Finished 2nd the year before.

Most of their marginal performing programs went to CUSA, and more importantly going forward they kept ALL of their better football programs, and all this is about football.

Two of their low performing programs are football only members that they may or may not keep. They will be evaluated by the SBC. The other G5 Conferences are stuck with theirs.

They have added high performing AppSt, and GaSo who are simply better football programs than any they lost, and among the big gets of realignment.

TxSt has already passed UNT.

Yes newbie GaSt, who is more a CUSA type than a SBC type, is not very good, but they have as much potential as the majority of 'market' programs added to CUSA.

Every other program in the SBC has shown on the field where it counts, that they can play as good and in most cases better football than the teams that went to CUSA. Again keep in mind they kept their best football programs......did not lose even one, and very well may have added two programs that will be as good as any current G5 in GaSo, and AppSt.

You are right about one thing the SBC is making a heavy investment in football, and are in fact betting the house on football, and as a result they should be stronger in football, and more often than not better than CUSA, and probably the MAC.

The SBC will in fact be known as a football conference, and people in the national media are already making note of that fact, and will do more so in the future.

CUSA went the 'market' route, and that will eventually bite them in the butt in football, and there is nothing they can do about it.

Many of the "marginally performing" Sun Belt programs partly responsible for the Sun Belt's "up" years are now in CUSA. The SBC won 5 OOC FBS games last year. If that is the early returns on their "heavy investment" it is time to re-evaluate who is managing your portfolio. CUSA is as heavily invested in football as every other conference, including teams upgrading facilities, salaries, schedules and recruiting. It is amazing with all the marginal, market programs CUSA added that they finished second among G5 conferences and leagues ahead of the football first, heavily committed, better programs in the SBC.

Maybe more CUSA teams should there money where your mouth is and schedule more SBC teams. I know our AD has been reaching out to schedule CUSA teams but some wont even return our calls. Begs the question what are they afraid of?

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I'm sure Marshall would consider giving you guys a 1 and done in Huntington or possibly a 2-1 if you wanted.

(06-16-2015 07:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Let me know when the MAC has one school that is capable of putting 52k in their stadium not for a P5 opponent but for a conference one. The end.

And you let me know when UTEP gets more than 1 FBS school within 300 miles of campus.

THE END.

(06-16-2015 07:20 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 11:03 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  Let's make this real simple...

Marshall's road trips in the CUSA East Division include Virginia Beach, West Palm Beach, South Beach, Nashville, and Charlotte.

In the MAC, your division road trips are either...
A.) Dekalb, Ypsilanti, Kalamazoo, Muncie, Toledo... or
B.) Cleveland, Cleveland, Athens, Buffalo, Bowling Green, OH.

I think I know who wins this one...

Marshall spent 8 years in the MAC. C-USA 3.0 is still a better league to be a part of and have much more upside. Of this there is zero doubt or debate.

FWIW, you didn't mention Oxford (Miami), Mt. Pleasant (CMU), or Amherst (UMass until the end of the year) and you put Cleveland twice instead of Akron and Kent. Not that it matters much anyways, even though I love Oxford and it's a great place to spend a weekend if you're an out of town fan, it's not Miami, FL by any means.

I have to say that first Miami Ohio is not an easy place to get to lol. That doesn't matter to me, but I'm sure it does to others.

I went to the game in Oxford this past season. Was really disappointed with the lack of fans there. I really enjoyed the town though. Beautiful campus, and nice town to walk around. We went to some big bar/food place. Had lots of TVs. When we came in, pretty sure we ordered food at the counter on the left.

Anyways I liked the town and campus. You guys should be proud.

(06-16-2015 09:29 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I have to say that first Miami Ohio is not an easy place to get to lol. That doesn't matter to me, but I'm sure it does to others.

I went to the game in Oxford this past season. Was really disappointed with the lack of fans there. I really enjoyed the town though. Beautiful campus, and nice town to walk around. We went to some big bar/food place. Had lots of TVs. When we came in, pretty sure we ordered food at the counter on the left.

Anyways I liked the town and campus. You guys should be proud.

Glad you enjoyed Oxford. I'm just spitballing but it sounds like you went to Skipper's, one of my favorite bars when I went to Miami. Good times.

Once we start winning again we'll obviously get better support, but Miami is at a disadvantage given the demographics of the student body; 40% are out-of-state (and hence are very unlikely to have grown up Miami fans), while those in-state are likely Buckeyes given how they're the dominant team in Ohio and have had great football teams since their youth.

(06-15-2015 10:37 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The WAC and SWC evolved into the MWC and AAC.

This is the most incredible statement yet in this fantasy thread. The SWC evolved into the AAC?

Let's dial the clock back to 1994 as who was in and out in the land of FBS.

B1G-ABC
PAC-ABC
SEC-CBS
ACC-CFA Deal
SWC-CFA Deal
Big 8-CFA Deal
WAC-CFA Deal
Big East-CFA Deal
Independents

MAC-Non CFA
Big West-Non CFA

It was an 8 conference system that was your mainstream of college football. The MAC and Big West were on the margins of that system with the champ playing in the Las Vegas Bowl.

The SWC was absorbed by the B12, AAC, SEC and in the case of Rice CUSA. I guess it would be more fair to say that the AAC is latter day SWC-BE leftovers with a few major southern independents thrown in. Every school currently in the AAC was considered a major in 1994 except UCF, USF and UConn which didn't play at the top level yet.

The in club of conferences who are on the inside in 2016 revolves around ESPN relationship.

B1G-ESPN/Fox
SEC-ESPN/CBS
B12-ESPN/Fox
ACC-ESPN
PAC-ESPN
AAC-ESPN/CBS
MWC-ESPN/CBS
MAC-ESPN/CBS

CUSA-Fox/CBS
SBC-Entry ESPN

The marginal conference in 1994 were the Big West/MAC and in 2016 they are CUSA/SBC. There are 129 schools in FBS and CUSA/SBC occupy the bottom 25 of them.

So. Miss (Southern Independent)
UTEP (WAC)
Rice (SWC)

These 3 schools were left behind in the wilderness of CUSA. ULL, UNT AState former Big West schools were the only other ones to exist in FBS back in 1994.

You could say UConn, UCF, USF stole So.Miss, UTEP and Rice's slots among the important conferences. In 1994 there were about 105 schools and only about 20 of those on the outside so percentage wise 129/25 is about the right growth in outsiders.

With the over saturation today of Southern football schools the MAC is filling the void as the 8th major conference by ESPN (albeit a junior slot with the AAC and MWC).

(06-16-2015 09:28 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 07:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Let me know when the MAC has one school that is capable of putting 52k in their stadium not for a P5 opponent but for a conference one. The end.

And you let me know when UTEP gets more than 1 FBS school within 300 miles of campus.

THE END.

New Mexico State is only 40 miles away.
New Mexico is not that far either.

(06-16-2015 10:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:37 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The WAC and SWC evolved into the MWC and AAC.

This is the most incredible statement yet in this fantasy thread. The SWC evolved into the AAC?

Let's dial the clock back to 1994 as who was in and out in the land of FBS.

B1G-ABC
PAC-ABC
SEC-CBS
ACC-CFA Deal
SWC-CFA Deal
Big 8-CFA Deal
WAC-CFA Deal
Big East-CFA Deal
Independents

MAC-Non CFA
Big West-Non CFA

It was an 8 conference system that was your mainstream of college football. The MAC and Big West were on the margins of that system with the champ playing in the Las Vegas Bowl.

The SWC was absorbed by the B12, AAC, SEC and in the case of Rice CUSA. I guess it would be more fair to say that the AAC is latter day SWC-BE leftovers with a few major southern independents thrown in. Every school currently in the AAC was considered a major in 1994 except UCF, USF and UConn which didn't play at the top level yet.

The in club of conferences who are on the inside in 2016 revolves around ESPN relationship.

B1G-ESPN/Fox
SEC-ESPN/CBS
B12-ESPN/Fox
ACC-ESPN
PAC-ESPN
AAC-ESPN/CBS
MWC-ESPN/CBS
MAC-ESPN/CBS

CUSA-Fox/CBS
SBC-Entry ESPN

The marginal conference in 1994 were the Big West/MAC and in 2016 they are CUSA/SBC. There are 129 schools in FBS and CUSA/SBC occupy the bottom 25 of them.

So. Miss (Southern Independent)
UTEP (WAC)
Rice (SWC)

These 3 schools were left behind in the wilderness of CUSA. ULL, UNT AState former Big West schools were the only other ones to exist in FBS back in 1994.

You could say UConn, UCF, USF stole So.Miss, UTEP and Rice's slots among the important conferences. In 1994 there were about 105 schools and only about 20 of those on the outside so percentage wise 129/25 is about the right growth in outsiders.

With the over saturation today of Southern football schools the MAC is filling the void as the 8th major conference by ESPN (albeit a junior slot with the AAC and MWC).

Notre Dame-NBC
Navy-CBS
ARMY-CBS
Ivy-NBC Sports
CAA-NBC Sports
D2 game of the week-CBS Sports
Southern U/Grambling State-NBC
BYU-ESPN/highest bidder
Boise State-ESPN/highest bidder
North Dakota State-ESPN3
Eastern Washington-ESPN3

Sometimes ESPN do show some top FCS schools in games like the two above. In the late 1980s and early 90s, they showed Georgia Southern games while they were in the Southern Conference, Youngstown State, Sam Houston State and so forth. Some of their favorites from FCS have already upgraded like Texas State, Georgia Southern, App state, Old Dominion and so forth. Some of the others they would like to move up have no conference to go to yet like Eastern Washington, Montana, North Dakota State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa and so forth. There are schools that are known for basketball that ESPN would love to have them become Cinderella in other sports like Butler, Dayton, Wichita State, Gonzaga, VCU and so forth. If all these schools that I listed do get serious and add football or give scholarships at the FBS level? How many of those schools could get picked off for the FBS level like Old Dominion, Charlotte, UTSA and Georgia Southern that recently re-started or added football? It would be interesting. I hear that VCU, Wichita State and Gonzaga could get an FBS invite even if the football sucks right off the bat. Wisconsin-Milwaukee could as will by joining the MAC if they added football. As it is, the football is driving the realignment bus, and the schools that are serious about football are splitting away from the schools that do not.

(06-16-2015 11:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 09:28 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 07:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Let me know when the MAC has one school that is capable of putting 52k in their stadium not for a P5 opponent but for a conference one. The end.

And you let me know when UTEP gets more than 1 FBS school within 300 miles of campus.

THE END.

New Mexico State is only 40 miles away.
New Mexico is not that far either.

I said more than 1, and I'm sure NMSU really draws fan support away from UTEP.

Now compare that to how many schools are within 300 miles of your average MAC school and you'll begin to see the difference, Einstein.

(06-16-2015 10:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You could say UConn, UCF, USF stole So.Miss, UTEP and Rice's slots among the important conferences.

You could, if UConn, UCF, and USF were actually in an important conference.

(06-17-2015 09:42 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 10:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You could say UConn, UCF, USF stole So.Miss, UTEP and Rice's slots among the important conferences.

You could, if UConn, UCF, and USF were actually in an important conference.

sshhhhhh!!!

(06-15-2015 07:14 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 06:53 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 05:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 05:14 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 03:20 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I don't think there's a more useless form of measurement than attendance.

Really? With the exception of the Miami Hurricanes, there's a pretty clear correlation between attendance and TV ratings.

The richest conferences are the ones that also have the highest attendance. Are you suggesting this is mere coincidence?

yes I am suggesting it is mere coincidence. Here's where you tell me Wake Forrest deserves to be in one of the richest conferences because their 27K fans are better than ECU's 45K fans.

Plus we all know attendance numbers are absolute and accurate. Just ask Michigan.

Every conference has their weak links, that's why I used conference averages instead of individual schools.

let's conduct an experiment- take two different brands of the same product, similar in form and function, one product gets nationally advertised and broadcast on TV repeatedly for 50 years while the other is hardly mentioned at all. At the end of that 50 years which brand do you think will have generated the most revenue?

Of course P5 conferences have higher attendance and generate more revenue, how bizarre would it be if they didn't?

Ohio University's football team had never appeared on national television before Solich's home debut vs Pitt was broadcast in 2005. How many times do you think Ohio State had been on national television in the 50 years prior and do you think it helped their attendance and revenue?

Hundreds of times, because before the rise of TV, Ohio State made it a priority to invest in college football and become a powerhouse. I cannot stand the Buckeyes, but they were visionaries in building off the success of Chic Harley.

You are right that the P5 has weak links, but those little sisters serve a vital purpose. Easy wins. The big sisters need a couple of similar-looking runts to kick around.