How accurate is this PAC 12 Article??? dated 21 May 2015
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...ributions/


They state
*** By per-school income

Big Ten: $27.5 (for continuing members)
Big 12: $23 million
Pac-12: $21 million (does not include Tier 3 withholdings of approx 750k)
SEC: $21 million
ACC: $21 million

*** By total revenue

Pac-12: $374 million
Big 10: $339 million
SEC: $326 million
ACC: $292 million
Big 12: $226 million

However the ACC just announced that they made 313.3 million in 2013-14 not the 292 that the PAC 12 article claims and also the ACC states that the 14 full-time ACC members received $22.1 million on average, an increase of more than $1 million per school over projections made last year. Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $4.9 million, according to the IRS filing.

The ACC does not own the schools' marketing and merchandise rights, so the total revenue does not include any multimedia deals schools have on their own.

SO it would appear that the author needs to update some data...
*** By per-school income

Big Ten: $27.5 (for continuing members)
Big 12: $23 million
ACC: $22.1 million (not counting schools' marketing and merchandise rights)
Pac-12: $21 million (does not include Tier 3 withholdings of approx 750k)
SEC: $21 million


What gives???



Link on ACC payouts for 2013-14
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ue-2013-14
&
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...e-millions

The P5 incomes are all in the same ballpark no matter how you lice it.

The G5 incomes are a whole Log10 away on the pay scale.

(06-13-2015 05:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The P5 incomes are all in the same ballpark no matter how you lice it.

The G5 incomes are a whole Log10 away on the pay scale.

This is true. Also its not a very accurate article.

David Teel tweeted the distributions by school for the ACC for 2013-4, apparently based on the tax returns. It averaged $19.2 million per school excluding Notre Dame (I had to extrapolate for NCSU, but w/o them it averaged 19.3, so little difference).

When considering the Pac, they wholly own their network, so they have gross revenues and gross expenses that the others don't have.

For the SEC and Big 12, they have publically disclosed their distributions and below are the average distributions for all members (continuing members in the Big 12 were a little higher because of the WVU and TCU buy-ins):
2011-12 SEC 20.4 Big 12 19
2012-13 SEC 20.8 Big 12 19.8
2013-14 SEC 20.9 Big 12 22.0 (when ACC was 19.2)
2014-15 SEC 31.2 (1st year of pooled Tier III) Big 12 25.2

The Big 10 has been in the 24-27 range in these years, but that included the pooled Tier III all years, while the SEC had individually owned Tier III until this year. Big 10 projects around 30 million for 2014-15.

(06-13-2015 07:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 05:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The P5 incomes are all in the same ballpark no matter how you lice it.

The G5 incomes are a whole Log10 away on the pay scale.

This is true. Also its not a very accurate article.

David Teel tweeted the distributions by school for the ACC for 2013-4, apparently based on the tax returns. It averaged $19.2 million per school excluding Notre Dame (I had to extrapolate for NCSU, but w/o them it averaged 19.3, so little difference).

When considering the Pac, they wholly own their network, so they have gross revenues and gross expenses that the others don't have.

For the SEC and Big 12, they have publically disclosed their distributions and below are the average distributions for all members (continuing members in the Big 12 were a little higher because of the WVU and TCU buy-ins):
2011-12 SEC 20.4 Big 12 19
2012-13 SEC 20.8 Big 12 19.8
2013-14 SEC 20.9 Big 12 22.0 (when ACC was 19.2)
2014-15 SEC 31.2 (1st year of pooled Tier III) Big 12 25.2

The Big 10 has been in the 24-27 range in these years, but that included the pooled Tier III all years, while the SEC had individually owned Tier III until this year. Big 10 projects around 30 million for 2014-15.

The Dave Teel tweet/article you are speaking about was from June 9th 2014...and the 19.2 M was for the 2012-2013 Season.. So Yes the ACC had a 30 Percent increase in Money and handed out 22.1 Million in 2013-14...

What is even more interesting is that the conference does not yet have the financial numbers for 2014-15, but the total revenue is expected to be higher based on increased money from the College Football Playoff and its exit settlement with Maryland.

(06-14-2015 07:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 07:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 05:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The P5 incomes are all in the same ballpark no matter how you lice it.

The G5 incomes are a whole Log10 away on the pay scale.

This is true. Also its not a very accurate article.

David Teel tweeted the distributions by school for the ACC for 2013-4, apparently based on the tax returns. It averaged $19.2 million per school excluding Notre Dame (I had to extrapolate for NCSU, but w/o them it averaged 19.3, so little difference).

When considering the Pac, they wholly own their network, so they have gross revenues and gross expenses that the others don't have.

For the SEC and Big 12, they have publically disclosed their distributions and below are the average distributions for all members (continuing members in the Big 12 were a little higher because of the WVU and TCU buy-ins):
2011-12 SEC 20.4 Big 12 19
2012-13 SEC 20.8 Big 12 19.8
2013-14 SEC 20.9 Big 12 22.0 (when ACC was 19.2)
2014-15 SEC 31.2 (1st year of pooled Tier III) Big 12 25.2

The Big 10 has been in the 24-27 range in these years, but that included the pooled Tier III all years, while the SEC had individually owned Tier III until this year. Big 10 projects around 30 million for 2014-15.

The Dave Teel tweet/article you are speaking about was from June 9th 2014...and the 19.2 M was for the 2012-2013 Season.. So Yes the ACC had a 30 Percent increase in Money and handed out 22.1 Million in 2013-14...

What is even more interesting is that the conference does not yet have the financial numbers for 2014-15, but the total revenue is expected to be higher based on increased money from the College Football Playoff and its exit settlement with Maryland.

No. Teel is from the last couple of days and is for 2013-14.
https://twitter.com/davidteelDP


David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 13
#ACC's per-school distribution of $19.3M lagged behind four other power conferences, according to tax returns. http://bit.ly/1eb1lQo

ACC tax return shows doubling of revenue last four years but future...

Were the ACC a publicly traded company, its stock would have soared Friday. The conference released its 2013-14 federal tax return – more on the bizarre timing of non-profit filings later – and the...

David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
#ACC's 2013-14 revenue of $302.3M nearly double of just four years ago: $158.2M.

David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12

David Teel retweeted Mark Armstrong
My bad. N.C. State $18.2M


David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
Maryland shown as receiving $18.0M in 2013-14 #ACC revenue, but that w/held in court settlement. Will eventually go to remaining schools.


David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
More #ACC distributions: Miami $19.5M, BC $19.4M, GT $19.2M, Cuse $19.2M, Pitt $18.9M, WF $17.9M, ND $4.9M.


David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
#ACC distributions, not including champ reimbursements: VT $19.3M, UVa $18.3M, Clemson $21.3M, Duke & FSU $20.2M, UNC $19.8M ...


David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
A year ago, #ACC estimated 2013-14 revenue at $291.7M, so came in more than $11M above projection.

David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
#ACC distributed 90.7% of total revenue to member schools, in keeping w/previous rates. Also paid out $11M in championship reimbursements.

David Teel ‏@DavidTeelatDP · Jun 12
Just received #ACC 2013-14 tax return. Total revenue up 30% to $302,306,749. Biggest jumps: TV to $197.2M and bowls to $48.8M.

Awesome


so what you are saying is the talk about how much $ the SEC got in 2013-14 to the ACC was over stated by the SEC fans who are all in on the SEC KOOL AID HYPE As it would appear that it was only a 1M maybe 2M more per school for the SEC....

ACC IS NOT DEAD BABY!!!!!


SEC LINK....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...01vmn00dth

The ESPN article is in line with what the Georgia Tech Athletic Association has stated.... that the distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million.

I do not Tweet and I do not know Dave Teel... But His GT number is off...

"The distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million. The distribution largely comes from ESPN, and the boost is a result of the ACC’s renegotiated contract with the network after the addition of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the grant of rights and the upcoming college football playoff. (According to the budget notes, the playoff agreement is worth $3 million in new revenue and the additions to the ACC were worth $2.5 in additional revenue.)

The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Link
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/...ch-budget/

(06-15-2015 12:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The ESPN article is in line with what the Georgia Tech Athletic Association has stated.... that the distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million.

I do not Tweet and I do not know Dave Teel... But His GT number is off...

"The distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million. The distribution largely comes from ESPN, and the boost is a result of the ACC’s renegotiated contract with the network after the addition of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the grant of rights and the upcoming college football playoff. (According to the budget notes, the playoff agreement is worth $3 million in new revenue and the additions to the ACC were worth $2.5 in additional revenue.)

The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Link
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/...ch-budget/

That's a budget. Teel's numbers come from the ACC tax return, not a projection for the next year.

(06-15-2015 12:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The ESPN article is in line with what the Georgia Tech Athletic Association has stated.... that the distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million.

I do not Tweet and I do not know Dave Teel... But His GT number is off...

"The distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million. The distribution largely comes from ESPN, and the boost is a result of the ACC’s renegotiated contract with the network after the addition of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the grant of rights and the upcoming college football playoff. (According to the budget notes, the playoff agreement is worth $3 million in new revenue and the additions to the ACC were worth $2.5 in additional revenue.)

The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Link
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/...ch-budget/

That's a budget. Teel's numbers come from the ACC tax return, not a projection for the next year.

hmmm... I guess we are both reading it different...I have the GT Budget at 73M... But in the article they talk about ACC Distributions.. I have it as GT received 17.9M from the ACC (Teel never reported that he had it at 17.7...200K off...how many teams are in the ACC...all of a sudden his math is off by millions)

I do agree that they budgeted a 32% increase... 23.6M.... Sports Illustrated, ESPN and others have reported that it was 30%...so you could say that GT did not get the 23.6M... 30% would be the 22.1 that ESPN reported...

Either way I will go with GTAA ESPN/SI over a David Teel who has not reported the proper distributions to ACC schools in multiple years... To be fair to Dave Teel, maybe the ACC distributes more then what is on the TAX return... I have no idea...But I do not think GTAA is mis-reporting their numbers...

Link
http://factbook.gatech.edu/quick-facts/financial/

(06-15-2015 01:08 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The ESPN article is in line with what the Georgia Tech Athletic Association has stated.... that the distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million.

I do not Tweet and I do not know Dave Teel... But His GT number is off...

"The distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million. The distribution largely comes from ESPN, and the boost is a result of the ACC’s renegotiated contract with the network after the addition of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the grant of rights and the upcoming college football playoff. (According to the budget notes, the playoff agreement is worth $3 million in new revenue and the additions to the ACC were worth $2.5 in additional revenue.)

The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Link
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/...ch-budget/

That's a budget. Teel's numbers come from the ACC tax return, not a projection for the next year.

hmmm... I guess we are both reading it different...I have the GT Budget at 73M... But in the article they talk about ACC Distributions.. I have it as GT received 17.9M from the ACC (Teel never reported that he had it at 17.7...200K off...how many teams are in the ACC...all of a sudden his math is off by millions)

I do agree that they budgeted a 32% increase... 23.6M.... Sports Illustrated, ESPN and others have reported that it was 30%...so you could say that GT did not get the 23.6M... 30% would be the 22.1 that ESPN reported...

Either way I will go with GTAA ESPN/SI over a David Teel who has not reported the proper distributions to ACC schools in multiple years... To be fair to Dave Teel, maybe the ACC distributes more then what is on the TAX return... I have no idea...But I do not think GTAA is mis-reporting their numbers...

Link
http://factbook.gatech.edu/quick-facts/financial/

That $23 million is what GT is budgeting for the next year (2014-15) for distributions. It isn't clear what that $17 million figure represents (actual 2013-14, budget 2013-14?).

That $23 million seems pretty realistic for 2014-15. If the ACC average was $19.2 or $19.3 in 2013-14, they should go up at least $3 million from the playoff and they will get some increase every year on the TV contract.

(06-15-2015 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 01:08 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:37 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  The ESPN article is in line with what the Georgia Tech Athletic Association has stated.... that the distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million.

I do not Tweet and I do not know Dave Teel... But His GT number is off...

"The distribution from the ACC increased by 32 percent, from $17.9 million to $23.6 million. The distribution largely comes from ESPN, and the boost is a result of the ACC’s renegotiated contract with the network after the addition of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Syracuse, the grant of rights and the upcoming college football playoff. (According to the budget notes, the playoff agreement is worth $3 million in new revenue and the additions to the ACC were worth $2.5 in additional revenue.)

The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Link
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/...ch-budget/

That's a budget. Teel's numbers come from the ACC tax return, not a projection for the next year.

hmmm... I guess we are both reading it different...I have the GT Budget at 73M... But in the article they talk about ACC Distributions.. I have it as GT received 17.9M from the ACC (Teel never reported that he had it at 17.7...200K off...how many teams are in the ACC...all of a sudden his math is off by millions)

I do agree that they budgeted a 32% increase... 23.6M.... Sports Illustrated, ESPN and others have reported that it was 30%...so you could say that GT did not get the 23.6M... 30% would be the 22.1 that ESPN reported...

Either way I will go with GTAA ESPN/SI over a David Teel who has not reported the proper distributions to ACC schools in multiple years... To be fair to Dave Teel, maybe the ACC distributes more then what is on the TAX return... I have no idea...But I do not think GTAA is mis-reporting their numbers...

Link
http://factbook.gatech.edu/quick-facts/financial/

That $23 million is what GT is budgeting for the next year (2014-15) for distributions. It isn't clear what that $17 million figure represents (actual 2013-14, budget 2013-14?).

That $23 million seems pretty realistic for 2014-15. If the ACC average was $19.2 or $19.3 in 2013-14, they should go up at least $3 million from the playoff and they will get some increase every year on the TV contract.

OK....I can Agree....I guess it will be interesting to see what the GT budget is this July 2015 for 2015-16 as the OB is a CFP game....

My new thought process on this tax thing is:
So 2013 Football Season (2013-14 Tax season just announced) GT received 19M and some change (more then the 17.9 they thought???)
2014 Football Season they made 23M (will be reported on 2014-15 Tax return) (87.5M in new CFP money I wonder how that affects 23M projection? 87.5 divide 14 ways is 5.9M...also FSU and GT were allowed $$ for OB and CFP....what does that come to?) My guess 28-19M for GT & FSU, 26M for the rest of the ACC..
2015 and beyond...The distribution is expected to increase by roughly $1 million annually, except in years when the Orange Bowl hosts the national championship game. It will increase an additional $1 million in the following year."

Also if this is all true, and the ACC is using the Maryland Exit fees for ACCN startup....No wonder the ACCN will not launch until 2016 or 2017...