(06-16-2015 02:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 10:50 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 10:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 04:03 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  See, this is what I don't get about WV fans. Loudmouth Luck was telling anybody and everybody how great WV was. And saying stuff about WV has to position itself for the next round of realignment. Then came all of the rumors about WV contacting the SEC and ACC about membership, which turned out to be true. He was making the BE more unstable than it already was with this conduct. In fact, the SU AD, mentioned this when explaining the reasons that the ACC was a good move for SU. I remember reading on your board how excited your fans were when they thought an invitation to the ACC was imminent. You guys are condemning Pitt for leaving the BE even though WV was trying to do the very same thing.

I remember this as well. It was very odd.

Everybody in the Big East was rumored to be in discussions with other conferences at that time. WVU was not the first to open that door.

Well they may or may not have been the first (I think they were, but none of this can be proven), but they (and you) were the most vocal about others doing it, and that they should not be talking to other conferences. Actually reading the thread I quoted above you yourself were quite vocal about wanting to star ta new conference that removed Pitt and Syracuse because they were perceived as talking to other conferences. Meanwhile, WVU was doing the same thing you were railing against. Combine this with (WVU fans, not just you) also blaming Pitt for leading the charge to turn down the ESPN contract while talking to the ACC as the reason for the ACC collapse, when it is just a situation that wreaks.

That is what Cuseroc is talking about.

cuseroc also wants to deny that Syracuse was the biggest impediment to an eastern all-sports conference too. They were instrumental in stopping 3 different attempts to create one.

As for Pitt, their leadership was incompetent, as evidenced by the fact that they're no longer there. Steve Pederson was destroying the football program, and has since destroyed Pitt's most profitable rivalry. They hadn't had a really strong football team since Johnny Majors left Pittsburgh, and their one Big East football championship was a fluke, shared with several other teams. Not once did they live up to their billing on the field.

What good were they? None when it was needed. However, I'm sure Syracuse fans, with the help of their school of journalism, will rewrite history to their satisfaction eventually.

Nice deflection attempt. That has nothing to do with Loudmouth Luck causing more BE destabilization, with his attempt to leave everyone behind, but ended up getting left behind. You are just trying to change the subject and I really don't blame you, but stick to the subject at hand.

Bit you have claimed that Cuse voted against adding PSU which is false.

Cuse told PSU to F off when JoePa wanted to form a conference where PSU got more than everyone else.

You have any facts?

(06-16-2015 04:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Bit you have claimed that Cuse voted against adding PSU which is false.

Cuse told PSU to F off when JoePa wanted to form a conference where PSU got more than everyone else.

You have any facts?

Check out the Bill Smith collection in the West Virginia Archives at the Science and Cultural Center in Charleston, WV. It covers 1957-1993.

These last two-three pages are a throwback to the old Big East board, circa 2011.

Funny thing is though, everyone involved is a fan of a school that managed to get rescued from the sinking Big East ship. If anyone should be griping about what and who led to its demise, it should be folks like me, LOL.

Love it fellas, keep it going.

Winners?
Colorado
Utah
TCU
Butler
Davidson
GMU
VCU
Loyola-Chicago
Boise
Nevada
Hawaii

Losers?
Villanova
Georgetown
Temple
USF/UConn/Cincy
Charlotte
Boston
CoC (that's not the CAA they expected)
WVU (more for the loss of regional play and added travel)
UMKC
UMD (the paycheck is a nice cushion, though)

You are an idiot if you think that Xavier and Creighton aren't winners in things... While not as much as Butler- they are huge winners.. Especially Creighton.

Charlotte is no winner. They went backwards from A10 to CUSA.

(06-16-2015 05:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You are an idiot if you think that Xavier and Creighton aren't winners in things... While not as much as Butler- they are huge winners.. Especially Creighton.

Charlotte is no winner. They went backwards from A10 to CUSA.

Agree.

I'm not a WVU fan nor I claim to know much about their school/program. But I'm sure most WVU fans choice of conference would be the SEC which has more in common with the Big XII than the ACC. You get Texas and Oklahoma in alternating years for football and Kansas basketball every year, it can't get any better than that.

One thing I noticed the last 3 years is that West Virginia is getting lots of press here in the Great State of Texas. That should translate into better recruiting classes, after all, they're getting exposure in the most important football state.

As for the thread title, I think these are the biggest winners/losers:

WINNERS
-All the schools that moved from the A-10 and C-USA to the AAC
-Creighton, Butler and Xavier to the Big East
-Utah
-All the schools that moved from the CAA, WAC and Sun Belt to C-USA
-All the schools that moved from the WAC to the MWC
-TCU
-Idaho

LOSERS
-UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida
-The C-7 schools
-New Mexico State
-BYU
-Charlotte
-VCU and Richmond
-UTEP and UAB
-Hawaii

I don't include Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Maryland, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and Texas A&M on the list because they moved from one power conference to another. It's not like they're losing money or TV exposure. They're stable money wise. They're not like UConn or Villanova that once were in the nation's premier league, lost most of their rivals and their new conferences don't get as much respect as their old ones. Some might argue WVU fits in that category but unlike UConn and Villanova they make more money now and have a college blue blood (Kansas) and the richest school (Texas) in their conference.


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I think VCU is a winner. They went from the CAA up to the A10. Even with everyone that left the A10, it's still a step up.

I think ODU is a loser. They went down from the CAA down to CUSA. CUSA is lower than where CAA was 5 years ago.

(06-16-2015 05:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 04:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Bit you have claimed that Cuse voted against adding PSU which is false.

Cuse told PSU to F off when JoePa wanted to form a conference where PSU got more than everyone else.

You have any facts?

Check out the Bill Smith collection in the West Virginia Archives at the Science and Cultural Center in Charleston, WV. It covers 1957-1993.

Sorry...I'd rather believe an AD who was actually involved with the vote.

(06-16-2015 06:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think VCU is a winner. They went from the CAA up to the A10. Even with everyone that left the A10, it's still a step up.

I think ODU is a loser. They went down from the CAA down to CUSA. CUSA is lower than where CAA was 5 years ago.

Perhaps ODU would be a loser, we'll know in the next five years if their basketball program will suffer or prosper in C-USA 3.0

C-USA 3.0 has UTEP, UAB, Western Kentucky, Old Dominion and Charlotte to form a solid core of programs with basketball tradition and try to make it a regular 2 bid league with the occasional 3 bids some years. The problem with 3.0 like 2.0 is the bottom of the conference that hurts our RPI. Let's not forget 2.0 was a horrible basketball conference with Memphis and the 11 dwarfs with UAB and UTEP occasionally throwing a challenge but it was not enough. Memphis won over 50+ conference games in a row, that's how bad 2.0 was.

C-USA 1.0 was a great basketball league, it will never be matched. 2.0 was bad unless you were Memphis and right now the only thing 3.0 has is potential.

Well all we have to look at is the last few years....

CUSA 02-05 league ranks- 7,7,8,9- average of 7.75
CUSA 06-13 league ranks- 13,11,10,8,10,8,10,11- average of 10.13
last 2 years though- 14 was 15th, this year was 17th.

I think you are a bit hard on CUSA in 06-13.

(06-16-2015 06:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Well all we have to look at is the last few years....

CUSA 02-05 league ranks- 7,7,8,9- average of 7.75
CUSA 06-13 league ranks- 13,11,10,8,10,8,10,11- average of 10.13
last 2 years though- 14 was 15th, this year was 17th.

I think you are a bit hard on CUSA in 06-13.

Except for a year or two, 2.0 was a one bid league in the NCAA's with Memphis being our rep all the time. Memphis under Calipari got the respect they deserved but the rest of the league did not get the benefit of the doubt, hence the one bid league status. #1 was great (Memphis), #2 and #3 (UAB and UTEP) were decent and #4 to #12 were from bad to horrible. Memphis helped in the RPI rankings but even then, we were never better than #8 and still a one bid league. The MWC is the league C-USA 3.0 should emulate, like I said, it has potential but we'll see in 5 years (I think five years is a good measure on how a school or conference is developing) how we progressed or went backwards.

This is the reason why I think Memphis is a basketball winner, they went from a one bid league (C-USA 2.0) to the AAC which is for all intents and purposes C-USA 1.0

(06-16-2015 12:42 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 11:36 AM)rjglassett Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 10:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 04:03 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  See, this is what I don't get about WV fans. Loudmouth Luck was telling anybody and everybody how great WV was. And saying stuff about WV has to position itself for the next round of realignment. Then came all of the rumors about WV contacting the SEC and ACC about membership, which turned out to be true. He was making the BE more unstable than it already was with this conduct. In fact, the SU AD, mentioned this when explaining the reasons that the ACC was a good move for SU. I remember reading on your board how excited your fans were when they thought an invitation to the ACC was imminent. You guys are condemning Pitt for leaving the BE even though WV was trying to do the very same thing.

I remember this as well. It was very odd.

Everybody in the Big East was rumored to be in discussions with other conferences at that time. WVU was not the first to open that door.

True, but Luck and the UConn President were very public about how badly they wanted to get out. Rutgers and Louisville, not so much.

I don't ever remember hearing anything about UConn talking to other conferences, until SU and Pitt left. Not saying they didn't, but UConn was very happy with the BE. Once SU and Pitt left, that's when the UConn leaders wanted to leave the BE. Who could blame them at that point?

No one would blame them, but the UConn President either sent an alumni email blast out or wrote a letter to the ACC school presidents touting how well UConn would fit in with the ACC. Luck was blowing WVU's horn into any microphone that was turned on. It just seemed a little unbecoming to do that so publicly.

You just didn't hear much out of the incoming Rutgers president (probably too busy merging in UMDNJ) or from anyone connected with UL. It might have been going on behind the scenes, but nothing was public.

(06-12-2015 01:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  WVU in basketball has gone from playing in what was unquestionably the #1 conference with all sorts of regional opponents to playing in a good Big 12 but with no regional opponents at all.

Also in attendance- in conference games this year WVU averaged 11,173 per game. in the 2011-12 season, WVU averaged 11,729 in the big east. So no, attendance hasn't increased.

WVU lost their natural rivalries and in turn get 25 mil plus a year and rising and get to play Texas, OU, Kansas, Baylor, K State, and OK St. in basketball. Yup, definitely losers you idiot.

(06-16-2015 09:43 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 01:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  WVU in basketball has gone from playing in what was unquestionably the #1 conference with all sorts of regional opponents to playing in a good Big 12 but with no regional opponents at all.

Also in attendance- in conference games this year WVU averaged 11,173 per game. in the 2011-12 season, WVU averaged 11,729 in the big east. So no, attendance hasn't increased.

WVU lost their natural rivalries and in turn get 25 mil plus a year and rising and get to play Texas, OU, Kansas, Baylor, K State, and OK St. in basketball. Yup, definitely losers you idiot.

except moron they were playing even better teams and more regionally. They in basketball aren't in as good of a conference as they used to be in. sorry bozo.

The biggest winner for basketball - NJIT. Just because they actually have a home now.

(06-16-2015 05:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You are an idiot if you think that Xavier and Creighton aren't winners in things... While not as much as Butler- they are huge winners.. Especially Creighton.

Charlotte is no winner. They went backwards from A10 to CUSA.

I hope that wasn't toward my list, seeing as I put Charlotte under the losers column.

I think Xavier and Creighton are draws. They had no problems getting tourney bids in the past, so the BE is probably the bigger winner there, getting two great contributors with great fans. The draws are a mixed bag...Rutgers, not much of anything, traded the best basketball conference in for another great one, while Memphis left a mid-major for what would become another mid-major. Missouri traded in beatings by Kansas for those against Kentucky. The new ACC members made that conference more like what it left.

(06-17-2015 06:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 05:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You are an idiot if you think that Xavier and Creighton aren't winners in things... While not as much as Butler- they are huge winners.. Especially Creighton.

Charlotte is no winner. They went backwards from A10 to CUSA.

I hope that wasn't toward my list, seeing as I put Charlotte under the losers column.

I think Xavier and Creighton are draws. They had no problems getting tourney bids in the past, so the BE is probably the bigger winner there, getting two great contributors with great fans. The draws are a mixed bag...Rutgers, not much of anything, traded the best basketball conference in for another great one, while Memphis left a mid-major for what would become another mid-major. Missouri traded in beatings by Kansas for those against Kentucky. The new ACC members made that conference more like what it left.

Creighton is no draw for sure. MVC in last 10 years Creighton was in the conference had 9 at large bids. Big East last 2 years has had 8. Plus more money. Xavier is closer to a draw, but still definitely upgraded...

Memphis is an upgrade as well. AAC hasn't had a great year yet, but still did better than what CUSA did with Memphis in there.

This is simple. Everyone in a P5 conf = winner. Everyone not = loser. It doesn't matter if your bball only school is now in the NNNBE. When this realignment era is over everyone not in a P5 football/basketball conference will be a clear cut loser.