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Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the last 5 yr
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(06-11-2015 11:00 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...aos-061115

Seems to me the real winners are Utah, TCU and UofL. They were the only 3 "non-BCS" teams to land in "BCS" conferences. Yes, there was some shuffling and some of the old Big East teams are now making more money... but for the most part, we are where we were - have's and have-nots.

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Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.
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Extend it to 20 years instead of 5, and I'm not sure there's a school that's had a worse deal than Rice...
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RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the last 5 yr
They should just say "Winners P5, Losers:G5". The only winners in the G5 I can think of are ODU, App St., GSU, GSUjr. and Charlotte only because we moved up from 1AA as a result of realignment.
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(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.
Yep, WVU wasn't getting invited to the ACC or Big 10. A good question though is would the AAC have maintained BCS-level status if WVU had remained.

WVU, Cinci, UCONN, USF, UCF, ECU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple is a pretty damn solid core of teams.
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(06-12-2015 09:19 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.
Yep, WVU wasn't getting invited to the ACC or Big 10. A good question though is would the AAC have maintained BCS-level status if WVU had remained.

WVU, Cinci, UCONN, USF, UCF, ECU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple is a pretty damn solid core of teams.

If the Big 12 had passed on WVU, they would have taken Louisville, and the ACC would have taken UConn...leaving the AAC with WVU and Cincy IMHO.
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(06-12-2015 09:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:19 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.
Yep, WVU wasn't getting invited to the ACC or Big 10. A good question though is would the AAC have maintained BCS-level status if WVU had remained.

WVU, Cinci, UCONN, USF, UCF, ECU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple is a pretty damn solid core of teams.

If the Big 12 had passed on WVU, they would have taken Louisville, and the ACC would have taken UConn...leaving the AAC with WVU and Cincy IMHO.
fair point. Hadn't thought about that.
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I'm obviously not a member of the WVU fan club, but as someone that interacts with a lot of their fans, it does feel like they were a net loser compared to their situation ten years ago. Ten years ago, they were in a BCS auto conference with historic regional rivalries against Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, Maryland, with a legitamite perennial chance at a BCS game. Now, they were forced into a marriage-of-convenience with the Big 12, and their nearest conference mate is a third of the county away. They are not playing any of their regional historic rivals anymore (save for a small series signed with Maryland). And they have lost a lot of aura around their football program as they have been for several years fighting with Iowa State and Kansas to stay out of the Big 12 basement.

I'd say WVU was a net loser because they had about the most ideal setup they could have ever asked for a decade ago... and now they are probably in the most inconvenient fit in all of the P5, with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year. But at least they are getting a paycheck...
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(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year.


The same things could be said for most CUSA and AAC teams.
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(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I'm obviously not a member of the WVU fan club, but as someone that interacts with a lot of their fans, it does feel like they were a net loser compared to their situation ten years ago. Ten years ago, they were in a BCS auto conference with historic regional rivalries against Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, Maryland, with a legitamite perennial chance at a BCS game. Now, they were forced into a marriage-of-convenience with the Big 12, and their nearest conference mate is a third of the county away. They are not playing any of their regional historic rivals anymore (save for a small series signed with Maryland). And they have lost a lot of aura around their football program as they have been for several years fighting with Iowa State and Kansas to stay out of the Big 12 basement.

I'd say WVU was a net loser because they had about the most ideal setup they could have ever asked for a decade ago... and now they are probably in the most inconvenient fit in all of the P5, with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year. But at least they are getting a paycheck...

I'm also no WVU fan, but stating they lost in the latest round of realignment is crazy. They're making tons and tons more money, so, on a long enough timeline, they'll get competitive in the Big 12. They won't be as competitive there as they were in the old Big East, of course, but in exchange for making mountains and mountains of cash, as well as not having to argue the legitimacy of their own conference anymore (especially near the end, the Big East was taking some pretty strong flak for getting a spot at the BCS table), I think they've come out pretty well ahead.
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(06-12-2015 10:23 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I'm obviously not a member of the WVU fan club, but as someone that interacts with a lot of their fans, it does feel like they were a net loser compared to their situation ten years ago. Ten years ago, they were in a BCS auto conference with historic regional rivalries against Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, Maryland, with a legitamite perennial chance at a BCS game. Now, they were forced into a marriage-of-convenience with the Big 12, and their nearest conference mate is a third of the county away. They are not playing any of their regional historic rivals anymore (save for a small series signed with Maryland). And they have lost a lot of aura around their football program as they have been for several years fighting with Iowa State and Kansas to stay out of the Big 12 basement.

I'd say WVU was a net loser because they had about the most ideal setup they could have ever asked for a decade ago... and now they are probably in the most inconvenient fit in all of the P5, with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year. But at least they are getting a paycheck...

I'm also no WVU fan, but stating they lost in the latest round of realignment is crazy. They're making tons and tons more money, so, on a long enough timeline, they'll get competitive in the Big 12. They won't be as competitive there as they were in the old Big East, of course, but in exchange for making mountains and mountains of cash, as well as not having to argue the legitimacy of their own conference anymore (especially near the end, the Big East was taking some pretty strong flak for getting a spot at the BCS table), I think they've come out pretty well ahead.

Perhaps, but their fans were definite losers in re-alignment.
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(06-12-2015 09:01 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Extend it to 20 years instead of 5, and I'm not sure there's a school that's had a worse deal than Rice...

Wasn't Tulane in the SEC at one point a million years ago? Not sure now but that would be the all time loser if I am right.
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(06-12-2015 09:01 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Extend it to 20 years instead of 5, and I'm not sure there's a school that's had a worse deal than Rice...

Wasn't Tulane in the SEC at one point a million years ago? Not sure now but that would be the all time loser if I am right.

Yes, they left the SEC back in 1966 when it wasn't suicide to go independent. Just think, they could have become Vanderbilt. Rice really got screwed when the SWC imploded but I think they are on there way back
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Rutgers has to feel like they robbed a bank and got away with it...
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(06-12-2015 11:29 AM)doughtyrowdy Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 11:03 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:01 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Extend it to 20 years instead of 5, and I'm not sure there's a school that's had a worse deal than Rice...

Wasn't Tulane in the SEC at one point a million years ago? Not sure now but that would be the all time loser if I am right.

Yes, they left the SEC back in 1966 when it wasn't suicide to go independent. Just think, they could have become Vanderbilt. Rice really got screwed when the SWC imploded but I think they are on there way back

Yeah, they actually chose to leave. We didn't have much choice when the SWC split. Or when the MWC had their airport meeting and split from the WAC 16. Or when the AAC raided CUSA.

(You could argue that we did choose to do a crappy job of running our athletic department and making the above events more likely to happen to us - thankfully that has changed over the past several years with Del Conte and now Karlgaard. I'm going to pretend Greenspan never happened.)
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(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

6. Rice, UAB, Southern Miss, Marshall, UTEP.
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Could also make the argument that the 2012 WAC football programs that landed in the MWC (Utah State and San Jose State) and C-USA (UTSA) are winners.
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(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:23 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I'm obviously not a member of the WVU fan club, but as someone that interacts with a lot of their fans, it does feel like they were a net loser compared to their situation ten years ago. Ten years ago, they were in a BCS auto conference with historic regional rivalries against Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, Maryland, with a legitamite perennial chance at a BCS game. Now, they were forced into a marriage-of-convenience with the Big 12, and their nearest conference mate is a third of the county away. They are not playing any of their regional historic rivals anymore (save for a small series signed with Maryland). And they have lost a lot of aura around their football program as they have been for several years fighting with Iowa State and Kansas to stay out of the Big 12 basement.

I'd say WVU was a net loser because they had about the most ideal setup they could have ever asked for a decade ago... and now they are probably in the most inconvenient fit in all of the P5, with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year. But at least they are getting a paycheck...

I'm also no WVU fan, but stating they lost in the latest round of realignment is crazy. They're making tons and tons more money, so, on a long enough timeline, they'll get competitive in the Big 12. They won't be as competitive there as they were in the old Big East, of course, but in exchange for making mountains and mountains of cash, as well as not having to argue the legitimacy of their own conference anymore (especially near the end, the Big East was taking some pretty strong flak for getting a spot at the BCS table), I think they've come out pretty well ahead.

Perhaps, but their fans were definite losers in re-alignment.

Their fans were losers to start with. I don't think anyone was affected by alignment as much as us in terms of what happened to our SoS just as we were peaking. We had this fantastic team coming together with a senior QB and all the pieces and all the people we expected to play to mean something just disappeared.
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(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

I agree Cotton. There is no way WVU and Boise are losers.
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