Looks a lot like Bridgeforth type improvements

http://zable.wm.edu/

super i gotta disagree with you. nothing about Zable looks like Bridgeforth haha.

(06-11-2015 02:14 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  super i gotta disagree with you. nothing about Zable looks like Bridgeforth haha.

haha, except the "CAA" on the field of course

It looks like that might be Birdsong as the picture for the "Make an Impact" tab

I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

Glad W&M is getting a nice upgrade. New Hampshire too. They both deserve it. That said, why on earth does W&M not do something about the hole in the stands in their prime seating area between the 40s? What was it-the old cattle entrance or something?

And lose the track!!

Brian

(06-11-2015 02:53 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

I've given up trying to understand the "lopsided stadium" criticism (not sure if JMU was actually criticizing.) It's just about the surest confirmation you could want that even the previous administration acknowledged that eventually ("but not under my watch") JMU would likely be playing at a higher level and would need to expand.

Why anyone would invest in putting millions of dollars into a football stadium and leaving a track around it is beyond me. That's about the worst characteristic a football stadium can have.

Looks more to me like the spatters futbol stadium, than anything Bridgeforth. Any word on increased capacity? Or is it more about upgrades and newer "stuff"?

Almost looks like W&M's answer to UR's stadium redo a few years back.

(06-11-2015 03:21 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:53 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

I've given up trying to understand the "lopsided stadium" criticism (not sure if JMU was actually criticizing.) It's just about the surest confirmation you could want that even the previous administration acknowledged that eventually ("but not under my watch") JMU would likely be playing at a higher level and would need to expand.

No criticism intended. No hidden digs at JMU/FCS/CAA at all. It just looked as if they are building out one side of their stadium much like JMU did.

(06-11-2015 03:01 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Glad W&M is getting a nice upgrade. New Hampshire too. They both deserve it. That said, why on earth does W&M not do something about the hole in the stands in their prime seating area between the 40s? What was it-the old cattle entrance or something?

+1

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

It's not as lopsided as JMU's, but one side will have an upper deck while the other won't.

(06-11-2015 03:01 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Glad W&M is getting a nice upgrade. New Hampshire too. They both deserve it. That said, why on earth does W&M not do something about the hole in the stands in their prime seating area between the 40s? What was it-the old cattle entrance or something?

Currently, it's the main entrance to the stadium. Also, it's kind of our thing now, we're a school that likes things that have cool histroy.

(06-11-2015 03:15 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  And lose the track!!

Brian

That's in our long term master plan, in a future update to the stadium. We don't have another track facility, so we need to build that first.

I told my wife about this and she asked if their club section is going to have a library.

(06-11-2015 02:53 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

It would absolutely be irresponsible to over-build when it's not needed for the current or future plans. But the way things seem to be skipping along the bottom here it seems to me whatever foresight or anticipation was used to "build for the future" is turning into a bridge to nowhere quick (or I guess a "bridgeforth" to nowhere?).

I have the same concern for the basketball arena. If the current admin is fine with small-time CAA men's basketball that has half the success and half the attendance it used to then I'm certainly not incented to help pay for an arena they'll be hard-pressed to half fill with the current coach and conference. If I was a big donor and gave to Bridgeforth under the guise of FBS I'd be livid. My hope is that's what Bourne is now encountering in his fundraising conversations. Maybe he's getting a little dose of "fool me once..." thrown in his face.

(06-11-2015 11:10 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I told my wife about this and she asked if their club section is going to have a library.

That's actually pretty funny. When I stopped by JMU on our way back from a family trip a few months ago and pointed out BFS to my wife (who was a cheerleader at Pitt) she thought it was brand new and asked if the stadium is going to have a football team.

(06-11-2015 11:41 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:53 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

It would absolutely be irresponsible to over-build when it's not needed for the current or future plans. But the way things seem to be skipping along the bottom here it seems to me whatever foresight or anticipation was used to "build for the future" is turning into a bridge to nowhere quick (or I guess a "bridgeforth" to nowhere?).

I have the same concern for the basketball arena. If the current admin is fine with small-time CAA men's basketball that has half the success and half the attendance it used to then I'm certainly not incented to help pay for an arena they'll be hard-pressed to half fill with the current coach and conference. If I was a big donor and gave to Bridgeforth under the guise of FBS I'd be livid. My hope is that's what Bourne is now encountering in his fundraising conversations. Maybe he's getting a little dose of "fool me once..." thrown in his face.

I really don't understand what you'd be "livid" about if you gave big bucks to expand and renovate BFS. Whatever a "big donor" might have given its a drop in the bucket compared to what the students contribute, and the students don't have access to the amenities of the club seating. As for FBS, the renovation was a necessity to be ready if and when that might become real. Without the renovation to BFS JMU wouldn't be avg. 20k+ attendance and wouldn't be on any conferences short list of possible new members.

Your comments about the proposed new arena are also similarly confusing to me. Do you honestly think (on reflection)

an investment of $100 mil is an indication the JMU administration expects ongoing mediocrity in the men's program?

(06-12-2015 08:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 11:41 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:53 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:42 PM)JMU Wrote:  I am not totally sure from the pictures but it looks like they are building a lopsided stadium like JMU.

honest question, was it wrong of JMU (or would it be wrong of W&M) to build a facility that meets the need of the capacity they have (while having room for expansion if necessary)? Wouldn't it be grossly irresponsible to build 40K seats when you need half that? You wouldn't build a 6,000 sq ft home when you only fill and afford 3,000 would you?

It would absolutely be irresponsible to over-build when it's not needed for the current or future plans. But the way things seem to be skipping along the bottom here it seems to me whatever foresight or anticipation was used to "build for the future" is turning into a bridge to nowhere quick (or I guess a "bridgeforth" to nowhere?).

I have the same concern for the basketball arena. If the current admin is fine with small-time CAA men's basketball that has half the success and half the attendance it used to then I'm certainly not incented to help pay for an arena they'll be hard-pressed to half fill with the current coach and conference. If I was a big donor and gave to Bridgeforth under the guise of FBS I'd be livid. My hope is that's what Bourne is now encountering in his fundraising conversations. Maybe he's getting a little dose of "fool me once..." thrown in his face.

... Whatever a "big donor" might have given its a drop in the bucket compared to what the students contribute, and the students don't have access to the amenities of the club seating...

That's why I am such a huge defender of our students. They foot the bill and should be treated as the huge contributor's they are. They are treated like horse manure compared to what they are paying for. I could not give a crap what other schools do, it has no bearing on my thoughts.