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Stockstill on Sportscenter
Anyone catch it? If so thoughts?

Mixed emotions on this as it grows. The attention this is receiving is starting to not be such a positive in my view.
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I mean you didn't even give a vague idea of what he said or was talking about.
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Quote:small schools...

Quote:$100,000 at a school your size...

This drives me nuts. Do they really think all G5 schools have small enrollments or something?
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(06-11-2015 08:55 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I mean you didn't even give a vague idea of what he said or was talking about.

Yeah I have no idea what he's talking about.
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(06-11-2015 09:24 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 08:55 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I mean you didn't even give a vague idea of what he said or was talking about.

Yeah I have no idea what he's talking about.

Stockstill restructures contract
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(06-11-2015 08:55 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  I mean you didn't even give a vague idea of what he said or was talking about.

What part of if you saw it did you not understand?

Clearly you didn't see it, so perhaps not posting or asking a question was warranted?
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Basically, the coach deferred $100K raise so that money could be used elsewhere in the program. Noble move, but it's not like he gave up the money, he just deferred the money until 2018.
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I like the part where the graphic said he was still set to make $720k a year through 2018... To coach football. I actually have little sympathy when ten years ago, these coaching positions were making $200k-$400k. If they can find half a million extra to give to one person, they can find half a million to fund 300 scholar athletes.
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(06-12-2015 09:02 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Basically, the coach deferred $100K raise so that money could be used elsewhere in the program. Noble move, but it's not like he gave up the money, he just deferred the money until 2018.

Well, technically that's not true.

He will forego the $100K for four years. In 2019, he will bump up to $821K but only if meets newly increased standards.

So that's four years of not earning $821K which is technically $400K less earnings for him. The bonus opportunity was also removed for the next four years, so technically he could have earned the $100K bonus on top of the one this year at least two more times (as the original contract was written). Plus, when the four year period ends the criteria to earn bonuses has been raised with aforementioned increased standards.

By the end of his current contract (before the change) he could have been earning as much as $1 million plus in the final year three years of the deal (had he met the benchmarks each year in succession) which has been taken off the table now. He will now be capped at $721K for the next four years.

So, he's likely giving up more than $400K if the team does well and as much $900,000 over the next four years (and even more than that if we extended the lost earnings through the life of the contract) though his contract was extended by two years, so it's possible he could earn some of that back but certainly only a fraction of that.

Keep in mind he's not going to get the initial $400K back in four years. He is actually going to have to meet the new bonus benchmark in 2019 just to get the next $100K increase in 2020. There is a compounding effect here that will significantly benefit the university assuming he doesn't steer the program into the ground during this time.
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(06-11-2015 09:06 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUwppTEhHo

Come on ESPN, spell "attendance" correctly.
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(06-11-2015 07:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The attention this is receiving is starting to not be such a positive in my view.

What do you mean?

IMO that interview put both Stockstill & MTSU both in a positive light.
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(06-12-2015 01:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:02 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Basically, the coach deferred $100K raise so that money could be used elsewhere in the program. Noble move, but it's not like he gave up the money, he just deferred the money until 2018.

Well, technically that's not true.

He will forego the $100K for four years. In 2019, he will bump up to $821K but only if meets newly increased standards.

So that's four years of not earning $821K which is technically $400K less earnings for him. The bonus opportunity was also removed for the next four years, so technically he could have earned the $100K bonus on top of the one this year at least two more times (as the original contract was written). Plus, when the four year period ends the criteria to earn bonuses has been raised with aforementioned increased standards.

By the end of his current contract (before the change) he could have been earning as much as $1 million plus in the final year three years of the deal (had he met the benchmarks each year in succession) which has been taken off the table now. He will now be capped at $721K for the next four years.

So, he's likely giving up more than $400K if the team does well and as much $900,000 over the next four years (and even more than that if we extended the lost earnings through the life of the contract) though his contract was extended by two years, so it's possible he could earn some of that back but certainly only a fraction of that.

Keep in mind he's not going to get the initial $400K back in four years. He is actually going to have to meet the new bonus benchmark in 2019 just to get the next $100K increase in 2020. There is a compounding effect here that will significantly benefit the university assuming he doesn't steer the program into the ground during this time.

Thanks for the info. Now, what happens if he craps the bed next season or two and gets canned? Does he get the deferred $$?
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(06-12-2015 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 07:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The attention this is receiving is starting to not be such a positive in my view.

What do you mean?

IMO that interview put both Stockstill & MTSU both in a positive light.

It's being painted by the media that

A. We are just a lil old school that can't afford to compete

B. And as such it's playing into the narrative that we play at a lower level essentially ignoring the fact we're I -A and making it appear that we compete in a different classification. It's not good for recruiting.

And our head coach did nothing to counter that narrative.
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I think the story really made Stockstill and the program look good. It showed even further how badly the P5 is squeezing everyone else out. Is the COA paid directly to each student- athlete? Isn't it also referred to as a stipend?
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(06-12-2015 09:31 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think the story really made Stockstill and the program look good. It showed even further how badly the P5 is squeezing everyone else out. Is the COA paid directly to each student- athlete? Isn't it also referred to as a stipend?

I thought the coach did a good job as well but can see how others saw it as ESPN putting down smaller schools, etc.
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(06-12-2015 02:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 07:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The attention this is receiving is starting to not be such a positive in my view.

What do you mean?

IMO that interview put both Stockstill & MTSU both in a positive light.

It's being painted by the media that

A. We are just a lil old school that can't afford to compete

B. And as such it's playing into the narrative that we play at a lower level essentially ignoring the fact we're I -A and making it appear that we compete in a different classification. It's not good for recruiting.

And our head coach did nothing to counter that narrative.

Yeah, guess it would've been nice to see him interrupt the interviewer when he said small school and say something like "we've got X students and are the Xth largest school in the state...", but I still think for the most part if a recruit saw that interview they'd think "hey, that's a coach that's gonna go to bat for me. I want to play for him".
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(06-12-2015 02:21 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 01:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:02 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Basically, the coach deferred $100K raise so that money could be used elsewhere in the program. Noble move, but it's not like he gave up the money, he just deferred the money until 2018.

Well, technically that's not true.

He will forego the $100K for four years. In 2019, he will bump up to $821K but only if meets newly increased standards.

So that's four years of not earning $821K which is technically $400K less earnings for him. The bonus opportunity was also removed for the next four years, so technically he could have earned the $100K bonus on top of the one this year at least two more times (as the original contract was written). Plus, when the four year period ends the criteria to earn bonuses has been raised with aforementioned increased standards.

By the end of his current contract (before the change) he could have been earning as much as $1 million plus in the final year three years of the deal (had he met the benchmarks each year in succession) which has been taken off the table now. He will now be capped at $721K for the next four years.

So, he's likely giving up more than $400K if the team does well and as much $900,000 over the next four years (and even more than that if we extended the lost earnings through the life of the contract) though his contract was extended by two years, so it's possible he could earn some of that back but certainly only a fraction of that.

Keep in mind he's not going to get the initial $400K back in four years. He is actually going to have to meet the new bonus benchmark in 2019 just to get the next $100K increase in 2020. There is a compounding effect here that will significantly benefit the university assuming he doesn't steer the program into the ground during this time.

Thanks for the info. Now, what happens if he craps the bed next season or two and gets canned? Does he get the deferred $$?

No. He's basically given it up.
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I was proud of Stock's demeanor and the way he handled the questions. It's a class move by a class dude. On the other hand, I would have loved to have him say to the Espin talking head "Look , MT boasts the largest undergraduate student body in the state, and we are located 30 minutes from the "IT" city of Nashville in a great TV Market. I'm just giving this money back cause I'm an awesome leader!"
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(06-13-2015 02:30 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 02:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 07:31 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The attention this is receiving is starting to not be such a positive in my view.

What do you mean?

IMO that interview put both Stockstill & MTSU both in a positive light.

It's being painted by the media that

A. We are just a lil old school that can't afford to compete

B. And as such it's playing into the narrative that we play at a lower level essentially ignoring the fact we're I -A and making it appear that we compete in a different classification. It's not good for recruiting.

And our head coach did nothing to counter that narrative.

Yeah, guess it would've been nice to see him interrupt the interviewer when he said small school and say something like "we've got X students and are the Xth largest school in the state...", but I still think for the most part if a recruit saw that interview they'd think "hey, that's a coach that's gonna go to bat for me. I want to play for him".

That and he should have used his forum to raise how extreme the inequality is in revenue sharing.

The only reason why Vandy or Wake Forest or Oregon St or NC State and so on can easily afford this is because of this pre-ordained affiliation in conferences and the ridiculous welfare checks they get as a result. Most of these universities are leaching off the top 20 or so programs moreso than any of us are. It's absurd that we have no voice to push back against this.

Our head coach could have, but they are all scared. They don't want to rock the boat. If you are not in one of the five cartel conferences you might as well be playing rec ball. That's the signal that is beat into all the idiots minds who follow like lost sheep.
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