(06-11-2015 02:25 PM)rtaylor Wrote: Not sure where even to start, I'll just say there is no comparison between NIU and UCONN, as far as anything really. UCONN is a national brand, NIU is not even a Chicago brand. Ridiculous statement dude.
Only to the AAC biased people i see flooding these boards. UCONN is not as highly viewed around the league as you all former BE think. However, NIU has a rep for being the BCS busters. From the MAC no less. A MUCH more difficult springboard than the remnants of the BE...
Um, no. Everyone in the country knows that UConn is a hoop powerhouse. So, UConn football is in a rebuild period now. Big deal. As for the old Big East brand, the UConn name helped to build the Big East in all sports. So, if that conference gave UConn any advantage, it is an advantage that was earned.
Look, I respect NIU. However, let's not pretend that NIU's entire athletic department is on the same level as UConn's. It is not. As for football, in our worst year ever this past year, we averaged 28K fans with that lousy team. NIU only gets 18K when they are having their best season ever.
You sure had me fooled about the respect...
That's all we ask for. And when we get pushed aside, we stand up and make our claim. That's the mindset NIU is trying to instill and honestly I'm all for it. Gotta be tough to get by in the NCAA where everyone stands on each other's shoulders to grab at the same pile of money.
I will root for NIU against the "Power" 5 anytime. Eff the cartel (well, unless either of our schools get to join them, of course!)
Ironically enough, this is what the P5 schools want too... for the G5 schools to squabble amongst themselves and keep themselves as distant from their pile of money as possible.
Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I dont think UCONN should be shooting for the B12 as much as they should be moving towards the ACC. That just, to me, makes so much more sense for them. While NIU is in Chicago and around where the B12 is (travel partner for Iowa St), UCONN makes too much sense for the ACC. Then again, when a P5 comes knocking... you dont tell them "ill wait for the next one"
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(06-10-2015 11:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: If/When the B12 is depleted enough Northern Illinois will be an attractive candidate.
1) B12 to 12 (Cincinnati/Rice)
2) Kansas to B1G (Memphis to B12)
3) Texas, TTech Oklahoma, OState to PAC.....
Here is where it could get interesting. TCU/Baylor/Rice decide to band together and not let anymore Texas schools into a P5 conference. P5 the B12 will still be since that is how they are defined in the NCAA governance structure.
That leaves for the B12......Tulane, New Mexico, Colorado State and yes of course Northern Illinois which makes sense if you have to dip as low as Tulane for schools.
If NIU could turn the corner like Boise State and become a legit Top 15 team and sell out that 42,000 seater that is planned they could pass over today's better prepared B12 candidates like Cincinnati and UCF.
Interesting theory on TCU/Baylor/Rice.....but what about Houston? Houston has more potential than all of them (although TCU could end up becoming something beyond themselves....in a way, the Texas version of Miami)
you also have large public schools with low academics in Texas....North Texas, Texas State, UTSA. Those schools have serious potential
As far as dipping low in the Big XII, what about Boise State or San Diego State? BYU??
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I thought it was kinda funny actually. Of course I also have no illusions that NIU will actually end up in the Big 12 at some point. If it happens, great. Until then, I'm fine if we can continue to be one of the better G5 teams and beat most of the Big 14 teams on our schedule.
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I thought it was kinda funny actually. Of course I also have no illusions that NIU will actually end up in the Big 12 at some point. If it happens, great. Until then, I'm fine if we can continue to be one of the better G5 teams and beat most of the Big 14 teams on our schedule.
Im a passionate NIU fan and i like to think optimistically =) sure i get hot headed at times but i think that passion was missing from NIU for a while and while im still at school here dammit I'm gonna try and instill that mentality into whatever students/fans i see!!!
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I dont think UCONN should be shooting for the B12 as much as they should be moving towards the ACC. That just, to me, makes so much more sense for them. While NIU is in Chicago and around where the B12 is (travel partner for Iowa St), UCONN makes too much sense for the ACC. Then again, when a P5 comes knocking... you dont tell them "ill wait for the next one"
personally, I think UConn fits into the B1G pretty well....I don't think they're AAU though.
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I dont think UCONN should be shooting for the B12 as much as they should be moving towards the ACC. That just, to me, makes so much more sense for them. While NIU is in Chicago and around where the B12 is (travel partner for Iowa St), UCONN makes too much sense for the ACC. Then again, when a P5 comes knocking... you dont tell them "ill wait for the next one"
personally, I think UConn fits into the B1G pretty well....I don't think they're AAU though.
Actually i could see that. They're a primary research school as well, no?
(06-11-2015 10:04 AM)Enaiu Wrote: "Northern Illinois won't bring in enough extra viewers to really make much of a difference in the amount of money the Big 12 could get."
Again, we do not NEED to bring in attention purely from just our games. Just by having NIU, B12 will increase their demographic footprint, and will be able to show more games from their conference in the Chicago region. This means more views, and eventually more money from ESPN etc. The game will reach more tv sets, and that's all that matters - even if NIU is not being watched.
FOX, FS1, ESPN, and ABC are already available in Chicago. Adding a team close to Chicago does not affect this equation...AT ALL. To get more viewers in Chicago, the Big 12 needs to have games that Chicago viewers will actually watch. If NIU doesn't move the needle much, their proximity to the Chicago market is completely irrelevant.
For instance, would more people in Chicago watch Texas v. NIU or Texas v. Florida St.? Now compare Kansas v. NIU with Kansas v. Florida St. Not even close - Florida St. is a better get for the Big 12 IN CHICAGO than NIU, even though Tallahassee is almost 1,000 miles away.
And, Chicago - although a large market - is only a small slice of the NATIONAL pie. In expansion, the Big 12 is concerned to get a team that will help get more viewers in Atlanta, Los Angeles, and New York, as well as Chicago.
IF the Big 12 had a Big 12 TV network, then adding a team close to Chicago could make sense. With a conference TV network, the financial model is largely dependent on how many subscribe to the conference network. Because Chicago is a large and proximate market, grabbing as many subscribers as possible in that large market could make sense for the conference.
Even in that scenario (which doesn't currently exist), would NIU really move the needle enough to make a difference for the Big 12 in the Chicago market? In other words, how many Chicago-area cable users would subscribe to the Big 12 Network because NIU is part of the Big 12? Compare that to the number who would subscribe to the B12 Network even if NIU isn't involved. I doubt it would make that much of a difference to have NIU to grab more subscribers in Chicago.
The Discover Orange Bowl averaged an 11.1 overnight in Chicago, the second highest ESPN bowl rating in Chicago on record. It also garnered a 14.1 in Jacksonville and 11.9 in Orlando, marking the fourth and third highest-rated bowl games on ESPN in the markets, respectively. ESPN’s coverage recorded a 19.9 in Birmingham, 11.7 in Oklahoma City and 10.7 in Greenville.
(06-11-2015 02:55 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Also, when I implied that "pigs will fly" before NIU gets a B12 invite, it wasn't meant as a diss. I should have acknowledged that pigs will likely fly before UConn gets a B12 invite, too.
I dont think UCONN should be shooting for the B12 as much as they should be moving towards the ACC. That just, to me, makes so much more sense for them. While NIU is in Chicago and around where the B12 is (travel partner for Iowa St), UCONN makes too much sense for the ACC. Then again, when a P5 comes knocking... you dont tell them "ill wait for the next one"
You forgot the number one rule of conference realignment (which is why UConn fans are touchy sometimes)... "UConn must be screwed in every move". So it was written, so it shall come to pass.
(06-11-2015 04:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: A thread started to troll NIU has done as designed.
Lol from an Ohio fan who made a thread "Ohio the real treasure of the Midwest" to spew pimpin posts...
But anyways id be happy to get in the AAC, B12 is a pipe dream and a lot needs to happen. i.e attendence / donations / facilities / bowl wins / improve basketball. See LU template
(06-11-2015 10:04 AM)Enaiu Wrote: "Northern Illinois won't bring in enough extra viewers to really make much of a difference in the amount of money the Big 12 could get."
Again, we do not NEED to bring in attention purely from just our games. Just by having NIU, B12 will increase their demographic footprint, and will be able to show more games from their conference in the Chicago region. This means more views, and eventually more money from ESPN etc. The game will reach more tv sets, and that's all that matters - even if NIU is not being watched.
FOX, FS1, ESPN, and ABC are already available in Chicago. Adding a team close to Chicago does not affect this equation...AT ALL. To get more viewers in Chicago, the Big 12 needs to have games that Chicago viewers will actually watch. If NIU doesn't move the needle much, their proximity to the Chicago market is completely irrelevant.
For instance, would more people in Chicago watch Texas v. NIU or Texas v. Florida St.? Now compare Kansas v. NIU with Kansas v. Florida St. Not even close - Florida St. is a better get for the Big 12 IN CHICAGO than NIU, even though Tallahassee is almost 1,000 miles away.
And, Chicago - although a large market - is only a small slice of the NATIONAL pie. In expansion, the Big 12 is concerned to get a team that will help get more viewers in Atlanta, Los Angeles, and New York, as well as Chicago.
IF the Big 12 had a Big 12 TV network, then adding a team close to Chicago could make sense. With a conference TV network, the financial model is largely dependent on how many subscribe to the conference network. Because Chicago is a large and proximate market, grabbing as many subscribers as possible in that large market could make sense for the conference.
Even in that scenario (which doesn't currently exist), would NIU really move the needle enough to make a difference for the Big 12 in the Chicago market? In other words, how many Chicago-area cable users would subscribe to the Big 12 Network because NIU is part of the Big 12? Compare that to the number who would subscribe to the B12 Network even if NIU isn't involved. I doubt it would make that much of a difference to have NIU to grab more subscribers in Chicago.
(06-11-2015 12:48 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: NIU? Dream about being in the future 20 team AAC. The big 12 isn't happening for you but rejoice because it isn't happening for Cincy or BYU or ECU or Memphis or UConn.
Wait.......so UCF has a chance? I just know your posting this from some beach in Tahiti with your toes in the sand and a drink in your hand with one of those little umbrella thingies.........all made possible by your amazing powers of prognostication in predicting the winning lotto numbers, stock market winners, and B-12 conference realignment scenarios which earned you hundreds of millions of dollars and made your early retirement possible. It has been said before, everyone has an opinion and everyone has a rectum, and generally they both stink, yours are no different my friend. While you may in fact be correct, you come off as just another unentitled elitist Doophus.
(06-11-2015 08:53 AM)uccheese Wrote: For NIU that means they have the potential, but they need to focus on proving it at the level they are currently. That includes more winning for a longer stretch
Miami, and not NIU, is the class of the MAC.... always have and always will be. Just saying. Coach Chuck Martin will get Miami back to their historic mean and NIU fans should remember the 2010 MAC Championship. History will repeat, it always does.
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Miami has an all-time winning record against EVERYBODY in the MAC. EVERYBODY - that includes previous members... Marshall, UCF, Temple, etc.... EVERYBODY..... Nobody else in ANY FBS conference can say that.
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(06-11-2015 12:48 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: NIU? Dream about being in the future 20 team AAC. The big 12 isn't happening for you but rejoice because it isn't happening for Cincy or BYU or ECU or Memphis or UConn.
Wait.......so UCF has a chance? I just know your posting this from some beach in Tahiti with your toes in the sand and a drink in your hand with one of those little umbrella thingies.........all made possible by your amazing powers of prognostication in predicting the winning lotto numbers, stock market winners, and B-12 conference realignment scenarios which earned you hundreds of millions of dollars and made your early retirement possible. It has been said before, everyone has an opinion and everyone has a rectum, and generally they both stink, yours are no different my friend. While you may in fact be correct, you come off as just another unentitled elitist Doophus.
(06-11-2015 06:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: Miami has an all-time winning record against EVERYBODY in the MAC. EVERYBODY - that includes previous members... Marshall, UCF, Temple, etc.... EVERYBODY..... Nobody else in ANY FBS conference can say that.
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From last years game notes and Miami lost that game so that would make it 8 - 8. Also mentions NIU is 8 - 6 all time in MAC games versus Miami.
Miami owns an 8-7 lead in the series with NIU all-time, however, the Huskies have won five of the last six games, including five straight regular season contests. The lone RedHawk victory came in the 2010 MAC Championship game. The series is tied 3-3 in games played at Huskie Stadium but NIU has won the last two meetings in DeKalb, including a 17-13 win on Oct. 11, 2008.
(06-11-2015 06:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: Miami has an all-time winning record against EVERYBODY in the MAC. EVERYBODY - that includes previous members... Marshall, UCF, Temple, etc.... EVERYBODY..... Nobody else in ANY FBS conference can say that.
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From last years game notes and Miami lost that game so that would make it 8 - 8. Also mentions NIU is 8 - 6 all time in MAC games versus Miami.
Miami owns an 8-7 lead in the series with NIU all-time, however, the Huskies have won five of the last six games, including five straight regular season contests. The lone RedHawk victory came in the 2010 MAC Championship game. The series is tied 3-3 in games played at Huskie Stadium but NIU has won the last two meetings in DeKalb, including a 17-13 win on Oct. 11, 2008.
Those pesky things called facts keep getting in the way for Miami fans