(06-09-2015 03:56 PM)chess Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  Imaginary scenario - the PAC 12 was successful in grabbing Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. away from the Big 12. The Big 12 leftovers add four teams to make the following 10-team conference:

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Boise St.

Is this a P5 conference?

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Memphis
(Houston or SMU or both with Memphis moving east)

Connecticut
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
(Temple or Memphis(see above))

Yes, this is a conference that is included.

No one is traveling to Boise to make a conference work.

And nobody wants to see a conference full of all AAC schools... Boise has more value than ECU, UCF, Temple, and Memphis based on football alone and that is what matters.

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

(06-09-2015 03:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 02:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  We don't get to decide who is or who is not a power conference. That's pretty much left up to ESPN, and the Rose, Sugar and Orange Bowls. I doubt that conference gets a contract with one of those bowls, and I doubt that ESPN or Fox is going to pay anywhere near what the ACC is getting on a per team basis.

Unless they get one or both of those things, they are just a good G6 conference.

In 2014, TCU and Baylor were fighting for a CFP and Sugar Bowl bid. They will likely be in the mix again in 2015. The 2014 NY6 included three of the prospective Big 12 redux members (TCU, Baylor, Boise). TCU played an SEC opponent (Ole Miss). It wouldn't be inconceivable for the Big 12 to keep the Sugar Bowl contract.

In 2014, West Virginia (#27), TCU (#32), Baylor (#33), and Kansas St. (#34) had ratings as good as or better than Texas (#34), Oklahoma St. (#39), and Texas Tech (#49) - and were right behind Oklahoma (#26).

TCU-Iowa St. and TCU-Baylor drew TV ratings (2.8) as strong as Texas-Oklahoma.

West Virginia-TCU (2.7) outperformed TCU-Oklahoma (1.3)

TCU-Kansas St. (1.3) outperformed Oklahoma-OSU (0.7).

So, there's a decent argument that ESPN and FOX would renew their contract with the Big 12 redux, despite losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Yes, it is. If the Big 12 breaks up, the Sugar Bowl will be on the phone with the ACC the very next day negotiating for the Big 12's replacement.

A gutted B12 with only TCU, Baylor, ISU, KSU and maybe WVU as it's core will not have a Contract Bowl at all and will at best will be a contender for the open Access Bowl slot along with the other G6 conferences.

And as pointed out, there is simply not enough interest in those teams for the networks to ever give them another P5 increase in revenue. So at least for awhile theyd be OK but slowly but surely they would fall further and further behind the P4 in revenue.

Can we get a barely option? This conference could hang on in the p5 if there are really good teams at the top keeping it afloat

(06-09-2015 01:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  Imaginary scenario - the PAC 12 was successful in grabbing Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. away from the Big 12. The Big 12 leftovers add four teams to make the following 10-team conference:

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Boise St.

Is this a P5 conference?

There is no way they stop at 10. They will take a big hit on TV, and will need the champ game to sell. Plus if they cut the head off both AAC and MWC they will be clear # 5 with a big fall off to #6.

Add 4 of UCF, USF, Uconn, ECU, Memphis, SD State, Fresno, Utah St, to the mix. and you have group better than any current G5. No real weak programs, and Some really good BB to boot.

(06-09-2015 02:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  Imaginary scenario - the PAC 12 was successful in grabbing Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. away from the Big 12. The Big 12 leftovers add four teams to make the following 10-team conference:

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Boise St.

Is this a P5 conference?

No. Here's why. West Virginia would be off to either the ACC or SEC. Kansas would be gone to the Big 10. The SEC might take a strong look at T.C.U. or Baylor as a second Texas school if both of the Oklahoma's were off the market and Texas & Tech were off to the PAC. So the conference you propose wouldn't exist. You would be building around either Baylor or T.C.U., Iowa State, and Kansas State. So the answer is no.

I voted no as well. I would feel bad for K-State Iowa St fans because they pack their respective stadiums.

That said, K-State and Iowa St automatically enhance the G5 conference they join.

(06-09-2015 04:16 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 03:56 PM)chess Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  Imaginary scenario - the PAC 12 was successful in grabbing Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. away from the Big 12. The Big 12 leftovers add four teams to make the following 10-team conference:

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Boise St.

Is this a P5 conference?

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Memphis
(Houston or SMU or both with Memphis moving east)

Connecticut
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF
South Florida
(Temple or Memphis(see above))

Yes, this is a conference that is included.

No one is traveling to Boise to make a conference work.

And nobody wants to see a conference full of all AAC schools... Boise has more value than ECU, UCF, Temple, and Memphis based on football alone and that is what matters.

Nonsense you put any of those teams out west, and they'd run roughshod over the conference too. Remember we're talking about Boise Ida freaking Ho, you know the state with a population roughly the size of Orlando. Wanna test your theory, let's see how much value Boise has after a down year. You put Boise in the AAC and they would have a down year.

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston (just kidding, i have no idea)

no, its just the Big 12 will not take anybody else from texas as long as Baylor and TCU are there.

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

Most places in Texas suck compared to most places in Iowa. Don't be ignorant.

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html



no, its just the Big 12 will not take anybody else from texas as long as Baylor and TCU are there.

Nice, a thread from 12 years ago. Good job.

If 8 of our members leave, the Big 12 won't exist. If 6 of our members leave, the Big 12 won't exist. If Baylor or TCU can't find P5 homes, they won't have to worry about inviting anyone to a dead Big 12.

They will have to worry about a G5 conference taking them.

(06-09-2015 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 03:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 02:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  We don't get to decide who is or who is not a power conference. That's pretty much left up to ESPN, and the Rose, Sugar and Orange Bowls. I doubt that conference gets a contract with one of those bowls, and I doubt that ESPN or Fox is going to pay anywhere near what the ACC is getting on a per team basis.

Unless they get one or both of those things, they are just a good G6 conference.

In 2014, TCU and Baylor were fighting for a CFP and Sugar Bowl bid. They will likely be in the mix again in 2015. The 2014 NY6 included three of the prospective Big 12 redux members (TCU, Baylor, Boise). TCU played an SEC opponent (Ole Miss). It wouldn't be inconceivable for the Big 12 to keep the Sugar Bowl contract.

In 2014, West Virginia (#27), TCU (#32), Baylor (#33), and Kansas St. (#34) had ratings as good as or better than Texas (#34), Oklahoma St. (#39), and Texas Tech (#49) - and were right behind Oklahoma (#26).

TCU-Iowa St. and TCU-Baylor drew TV ratings (2.8) as strong as Texas-Oklahoma.

West Virginia-TCU (2.7) outperformed TCU-Oklahoma (1.3)

TCU-Kansas St. (1.3) outperformed Oklahoma-OSU (0.7).

So, there's a decent argument that ESPN and FOX would renew their contract with the Big 12 redux, despite losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Yes, it is. If the Big 12 breaks up, the Sugar Bowl will be on the phone with the ACC the very next day negotiating for the Big 12's replacement.

A gutted B12 with only TCU, Baylor, ISU, KSU and maybe WVU as it's core will not have a Contract Bowl at all and will at best will be a contender for the open Access Bowl slot along with the other G6 conferences.

And as pointed out, there is simply not enough interest in those teams for the networks to ever give them another P5 increase in revenue. So at least for awhile theyd be OK but slowly but surely they would fall further and further behind the P4 in revenue.

The P12 with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be a strong contender for the Sugar Bowl spot. The Sugar Bowl would probably love to have Texas and Oklahoma on a regular basis. Throw in an occasional TT, OSU and some of the other P12 bigger schools.

I don't see that conference getting $20million per year. As others have said, that conference would disintegrate at warp speed.

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Last time I looked, Iowa has been a long time contributing member in the Big 10-- a P5 conference. Just sayin

(06-09-2015 06:43 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Last time I looked, Iowa has been a long time contributing member in the Big 10-- a P5 conference. Just sayin

So has Wake Forrest and Washington state (members of p-5conferences) what's your point? I honestly can't remember the last time Iowa was relevant on a national stage in anything irrespective of their status in the B1G. If you're saying they've been a member of a power conference for forever, I'd say thanks for pointing that out capt'n obvious!

(06-09-2015 06:49 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:43 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Last time I looked, Iowa has been a long time contributing member in the Big 10-- a P5 conference. Just sayin

So has Wake Forrest and Washington state (members of p-5conferences) what's your point? I honestly can't remember the last time Iowa was relevant on a national stage in anything irrespective of their status in the B1G. If you're saying they've been a member of a power conference for forever, I'd say thanks for pointing that out capt'n obvious!

2010 Orange Bowl win over Georgia Tech and 4 NCAA Tourney appearances since 2005 seems a little relevant.

(06-09-2015 01:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  Imaginary scenario - the PAC 12 was successful in grabbing Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St. away from the Big 12. The Big 12 leftovers add four teams to make the following 10-team conference:

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Boise St.

Is this a P5 conference?

I'll play along and say "Yes" but you should also include UCF, ECU, UConn and Memphis so that the league is respectable in other sports as well. That's actually a killer basketball league. It's near-sided to let football be the only motivating factor - content will be king soon.. quantity over quality.

UCF - great program right now. Great recruiting area. Has proven can beat those teams in bowl games.
ECU - motivated fan base. Will be a fun place to play, good recruiting ground.
UConn - football currently sucks, 5 years ago it was respectable (they've already beaten Baylor, Cincy, WV and Iowa State in their existence and have played BYU and Boise.) Add a ton in other sports. Football will be respectable in a few years in a power conference.
Memphis - regional foot print.... I think last year was a bit of a fluke, but there's potential there. Much like UConn, has a few decent players in the NFL, as much as a low-level P5 school. (20 UConn guys in the NFL now, 12 Memphis guys). Adds another basketball power.

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:21 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 04:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  Houston would not be invited as long as Baylor is in the Big 12.

Please explain?

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive...37955.html

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/4...of-Houston

Baylor fans hate Houston

lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Unfortunately for us, I tend to think that's probably the case.

(06-09-2015 06:54 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:49 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:43 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol. Read the thread. Plenty of those people like Houston. Some don't. Thay all are comparing party scenes---which means they'd all probably stab themselves in the eye rather than be anywhere in Iowa.

lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Last time I looked, Iowa has been a long time contributing member in the Big 10-- a P5 conference. Just sayin

So has Wake Forrest and Washington state (members of p-5conferences) what's your point? I honestly can't remember the last time Iowa was relevant on a national stage in anything irrespective of their status in the B1G. If you're saying they've been a member of a power conference for forever, I'd say thanks for pointing that out capt'n obvious!

2010 Orange Bowl win over Georgia Tech and 4 NCAA Tourney appearances since 2005 seems a little relevant.

Yeah it left an lasting impression in my memory! Now give some AAC schools the same resources and I bet they would show you what relevant means. Hell how many nattys has UConn won in that time? Heck even little ole UCF has won a Fiesta over your conference champion in that timeframe. Are you beginning to see how arbitrary this whole P -5 thing is? That's really my point.

(06-09-2015 07:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:54 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:49 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:43 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  lol ok you got me. Never mind. Houston is great. its just that as long as the Big 12 has has Baylor and TcU, they dont need anymore schools from texas.

Last time I looked, Iowa has been a long time contributing member in the Big 10-- a P5 conference. Just sayin

So has Wake Forrest and Washington state (members of p-5conferences) what's your point? I honestly can't remember the last time Iowa was relevant on a national stage in anything irrespective of their status in the B1G. If you're saying they've been a member of a power conference for forever, I'd say thanks for pointing that out capt'n obvious!

2010 Orange Bowl win over Georgia Tech and 4 NCAA Tourney appearances since 2005 seems a little relevant.

Yeah it left an lasting impression in my memory! Now give some AAC schools the same resources and I bet they would show you what relevant means. Hell how many nattys has UConn won in that time? Heck even little ole UCF has won a Fiesta over your conference champion in that timeframe. Are you beginning to see how arbitrary this whole P -5 thing is? That's really my point.

Yep, I totally forgot about UCF beating Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl. I do remember Michigan St beating Baylor in the Cotton Bowl this past season.