(06-10-2015 08:09 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  I'll put this out there: P5 look down on G5...they tolerate our schools. Then they pitted us against each other. Doesn't matter about the affiliation, still not included. So, if there were a movement to schedule like AState and force more h&h against P5 teams, you're able to get more than the scraps they're tossing to the whole of the G5...mwc and aac notwithstanding.

They're united in what they're doing...G5 should be as well.

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My memory does not serve me well here, but when the voting was done on the new rules to be instituted governing FBS teams, weren't the G5's represented in the vote? I asume we were and while the P5's obviously have always held the power, I do believe we were able to negotiate some things to our favor. I think I recall Chiefsfan laying out the details in an understandable manner. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the comment about us being pitted against one another, hasn't that always been the case?

If you and your contemporaries are satisfied with the crumbs you've been thrown...I'm happy for you.

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(06-10-2015 08:09 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  I'll put this out there: P5 look down on G5...they tolerate our schools. Then they pitted us against each other. Doesn't matter about the affiliation, still not included. So, if there were a movement to schedule like AState and force more h&h against P5 teams, you're able to get more than the scraps they're tossing to the whole of the G5...mwc and aac notwithstanding.

They're united in what they're doing...G5 should be as well.

In theory, what you say has merit. But that's theory and not reality.

When the G5 schools are struggling to maintain their budget, they will NOT be willing to accept even a little less because it's for the greater good of the G5.

Until the exit fees run out you won't see movement

(06-10-2015 08:52 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  If you and your contemporaries are satisfied with the crumbs you've been thrown...I'm happy for you.

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Okay, I've been very reasonable to this point trying to extract something of value from the conversation. Now you're putting words in my mouth and beginning to remind me of that poster from Ohio who ranted about the injustices of the system but never posted a single idea of how to improve it.

You've talked about an alliance, G5 conferences working together, etc. How about some SPECIFICS of what you believe could or should be done by the AAC, the MWC, C-USA, the Belt, and the MAC? Something that would benefit the entire group in the alliance and make it worthwhile for the AAC to do something other than look down their noses at the Belt.

Specifics please.

(06-10-2015 02:08 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 02:05 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 02:03 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  You can flip a basketball program into a winner pretty quickly.

Really? please tell us how, we've been trying for decades. What's the secret?


oh, let me guess. Throw lots and lots of money at the program. How's that?

Hire the right coach. Also known to work in football as well.

uab proved many years ago that it can be done. I remember when they just decided one day to be d-1 and within a year or two they were in the play-offs every year.

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

I wonder if conferences can institute a minimum budget per sport type deal to ensure that folks aren't just letting basketball (or baseball, or football even) fall by the wayside...

Could also be the mechanism used to push out teams that you don't wish to have in the conference for whatever reason.

(06-11-2015 02:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I wonder if conferences can institute a minimum budget per sport type deal to ensure that folks aren't just letting basketball (or baseball, or football even) fall by the wayside...

Could also be the mechanism used to push out teams that you don't wish to have in the conference for whatever reason.

I could see a minimum athletic budget, but not necessarily for each individual sport. That might not be a horrible thing if done properly.

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

I'm not trying to be a douche, especially on the Sun Belt board, BUT you can't compare that to what CUSA basketball did last season. Runner up in the C_I tourny does not compare to having 2 teams in the Final 4 of the NIT, and a 3rd team who was also in the NIT.

(06-11-2015 08:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I wonder if conferences can institute a minimum budget per sport type deal to ensure that folks aren't just letting basketball (or baseball, or football even) fall by the wayside...

Could also be the mechanism used to push out teams that you don't wish to have in the conference for whatever reason.

I could see a minimum athletic budget, but not necessarily for each individual sport. That might not be a horrible thing if done properly.

The reason I put individual sports is because of such a money investment football is. I wouldn't expect (and I could be DEAD wrong on this) for example UTA's budget to be similar to Texas State's because they don't have football.

So while we have Olympic only schools in the conference, making a minimum budget would be kinda moot. (again, this is just by my thought, could be wrong) UALR & UTA would bring the budget minimum down that it would be moot.

(06-11-2015 08:54 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

I'm not trying to be a douche, especially on the Sun Belt board, BUT you can't compare that to what CUSA basketball did last season. Runner up in the C_I tourny does not compare to having 2 teams in the Final 4 of the NIT, and a 3rd team who was also in the NIT.

Temple, Stanford, Miami (FL) and Old Dominion were in the NIT final four this past season.

(06-11-2015 09:20 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 08:54 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

I'm not trying to be a douche, especially on the Sun Belt board, BUT you can't compare that to what CUSA basketball did last season. Runner up in the C_I tourny does not compare to having 2 teams in the Final 4 of the NIT, and a 3rd team who was also in the NIT.

Temple, Stanford, Miami (FL) and Old Dominion were in the NIT final four this past season.

Tech was in the final 8 I think, UTEP was also in the NIT field but lost their first game. ODU was in the last four out of the NCAA's and received a top seeding for the NIT.

We were very close to having a second team in this year and we've got a good shot at multiple teams the next few years. UAB is a very young talented team. We're returning a lot from last year and bringing in some exciting transfers. UTEP, WKU and La Tech will be good. MT had a young scrappy team that went to the conference finals. Charlotte seems to have some rebuilding for do after the coaching change and transfers. Rice's new coach has them moving in the right direction. The rest need improvement. Plenty of reason to be excited about the future of CUSA BB but we're not to the point where we're a perennial multi bid league yet but we are closer than the Sun Belt.

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

I know who made the final four of the other tournaments because they are posted in the thread.

That's not an insult or a dig. You have to play some darn good ball to get that point.

But from time to time some Razorback fan will get offended by something an AState fan says and declare they won't "root" for AState any longer. My response is AState can't spend your "rooting" so nothing is lost.

The alternate tournaments are a nice feather, they are great experience for the guys coming back but it isn't spendable. UNT gets no direct benefit if ODU goes to the NIT final four unless ODU uses that to become a better program.

In 2014 the NIT Final Four and what happened in 2015
SMU: won the AAC automatic berth, they parlayed their success to get a berth the AAC was going to get no matter what. They went one and out albeit in a controversial way.
Clemson: Made no post-season event
Florida State: Missed all post-season for the first time in nine years.
Minnesota: Made no post-season event.

It is impossible to say whether SMU playing better as a result of an NIT Final Four elevated the AAC and helped them earn more money since they took the auto bid, but the other three NIT Final Four members with SMU did not make any sort of post-season appearance.

It is highly speculative to think that advancing to the NIT Final Four gives a school an edge the following year.

(06-11-2015 08:54 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

I'm not trying to be a douche, especially on the Sun Belt board, BUT you can't compare that to what CUSA basketball did last season. Runner up in the C_I tourny does not compare to having 2 teams in the Final 4 of the NIT, and a 3rd team who was also in the NIT.

I didn't. Read my statement again but this time.... really... s-l-o-w-l-y.

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

CBI and CIT aren't real tournaments.

(06-13-2015 12:05 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

CBI and CIT aren't real tournaments.

Therefore the games played were only imaginary.

(06-13-2015 12:05 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

CBI and CIT aren't real tournaments.

Might as well not be real tournaments...they're awful

(06-13-2015 09:04 AM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:05 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:27 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 08:25 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  UAB won a game in the NCAA tourny last year.

Then we also had Old Dominion and La Tech in the Final 4 of the NIT. Think we had another team in the NIT too, but not sure.

How many SBC teams made the NIT? I'm being sincere when I ask this as I truly don't know.

I think NIT bids, show a team was close to getting the NCAA tourny. La Tech both could have gotten in last year.

Georgia State won a game in the NCAA's last year too. ULM was runner up in the CIT and Louisiana was runner up in the CBI (or vice versa). Not too bad really.

As for taking steps to improve SBC basketball, the biggest step we could take has been taken - no more than 2 non D-I games per year or a $50k fine.

CBI and CIT aren't real tournaments.

Might as well not be real tournaments...they're awful

AND, they are pay for play aren't they?