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NY Times - Alabama Football Follies
More fun with your favorite op-ed guy at the New York Times!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/opinio...llies.html
06-09-2015 07:19 AM
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And Sard Verbinnen shows why they make the big bucks.
06-09-2015 07:28 AM
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I understand that people who write for the NY times don't care about Birmingham, certainly not enough to actually do a bit of research and learn a little more than the fluff Watts and Company spews out. That being the case, why bother writing about it at all then?
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Nocera is actually a pretty well respected writer at the times. What his article shows more than anything is the east coast snootiness toward college athletics. If you read between the lines, he doesn't see any value in sports except for the maybe the mercenaries in the pros.

usual elitist bs
06-09-2015 07:39 AM
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I don't get the conclusion. How exactly is UAB having a football team putting the "cart before the horse"? Is he implying that the team should be successful, BCS-level before we try to have one or something? Sard Verbinnen should get their money back on this one.
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(06-09-2015 07:31 AM)Blazer on the southside Wrote:  I understand that people who write for the NY times don't care about Birmingham, certainly not enough to actually do a bit of research and learn a little more than the fluff Watts and Company spews out. That being the case, why bother writing about it at all then?

Because it fits a pre-determined narrative, that college sports are out of control, and Sard is very good at identifying the outlet's desires (Nocera's wish to show college sports excess), crafting a story to match, and planting it so that the columnist himself, if lazy enough, might actually believe he found all this stuff out. Access to Watts means Sard involvement; he's not answering phone calls from anyone else (though if you read it very closely, Nocera is pretty careful to keep it ambiguous as to whether he actually spoke to Ray Watts again or not).

The alarming thing about this warped-funhouse-mirror column is that it shows Sard is still on the case.

This is not over. We still fight.
06-09-2015 07:41 AM
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Where do they find the people for these comment sections? It's a refreshing change of pace to see people that can spell and don't say roll tide constantly, but my God. Why do they all hate sports so much?
06-09-2015 01:02 PM
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(06-09-2015 01:02 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  Where do they find the people for these comment sections? It's a refreshing change of pace to see people that can spell and don't say roll tide constantly, but my God. Why do they all hate sports so much?

It's just MHO, but I believe there are those who believe that if a university did not spend huge amounts on sports, that money would find its way into academic areas. The fly in that ointment is that the universities don't get the money in the first place. The school's Athletic Department gets all that money that supports sports programs and only what is left over eventually gets to the academic side of the school.

At Bama and Auburn for instance, the Athletic Depts annually get about $115 million (AU) and $150 million (UA) and after average spending about $200,000 per athlete per year (AD salaries, facilities, study halls, food services, textbooks, stadium renovations/replacements, etc), what is left over is given to the school's General Scholarship Fund. Only that relative "pocket change" enters the school's academic accounts. That is why tuition and fees have jumped over 50% at AU and the UA System since the state began cutting SETF funding since 2008.

If not for sports, would all that donated money find its way into so many of the school's coffers anyways? College endowments do exist, but only a relative few have huge amounts given to them. On the last Forbes List of largest endowments to schools, only Texas and Texas A&M were public schools on their list of Top 10.
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(06-09-2015 01:24 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 01:02 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  that can spell and don't say roll tide constantly, but my God. Why do they all hate sports so much?

It's just MHO, but I believe there are those who believe that if a university did not spend huge amounts on sports, that money would find its way into academic areas. The fly in that ointment is that the universities don't get the money in the first place. The school's Athletic Department gets all that money that supports sports programs and only what is left over eventually gets to the academic side of the school.

At Bama and Auburn...
That is true of the rich schools top half of P5. But at UAB we spend 30 million a year but bring in 10 million a year of revenue. Atletics does not bring in enough money for 70 percent of schools. UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds. The elite snobs think its a waste of money - I think its worth it for a comprehensive university.
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(06-09-2015 01:24 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 01:02 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  that can spell and don't say roll tide constantly, but my God. Why do they all hate sports so much?

It's just MHO, but I believe there are those who believe that if a university did not spend huge amounts on sports, that money would find its way into academic areas. The fly in that ointment is that the universities don't get the money in the first place. The school's Athletic Department gets all that money that supports sports programs and only what is left over eventually gets to the academic side of the school.

At Bama and Auburn...
Your point may be true of the rich schools/ top half of P5. But at UAB we spend 30 million a year but bring in less than 10 million a year of revenue. Atletics does not bring in enough money to cover expenses for 70 percent of schools. UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.) The elite snobs think its a waste of money - I personally think its worth it for a comprehensive university.
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(06-09-2015 01:52 PM)uabbean Wrote:  Your point may be true of the rich schools/ top half of P5. But at UAB we spend 30 million a year but bring in less than 10 million a year of revenue. Atletics does not bring in enough money to cover expenses for 70 percent of schools. UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.) The elite snobs think its a waste of money - I personally think its worth it for a comprehensive university.

Those you describe as "elite snobs" may just be paying attention to how this state is spending its money and are concerned for academia in it. A state that can't really afford one nationally ranked medical school tries to support two. We maintain THREE public universities in our fourth largest city but force austerity in the only one in its largest city.

A SETF that has difficulty supporting one state public school establishment now is dividing its resources (through state income tax credits) to support that plus a system of private (some church related), charter and home school children. What we are seeing is a "Donner Party syndrome" applied only to UAB and its programs by its BOT to keep their favorite campus from having to do without anything.
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(06-09-2015 07:41 AM)58-56 Wrote:  Because it fits a pre-determined narrative, that college sports are out of control, and Sard is very good at identifying the outlet's desires (Nocera's wish to show college sports excess), crafting a story to match, and planting it so that the columnist himself, if lazy enough, might actually believe he found all this stuff out. Access to Watts means Sard involvement; he's not answering phone calls from anyone else (though if you read it very closely, Nocera is pretty careful to keep it ambiguous as to whether he actually spoke to Ray Watts again or not).

The alarming thing about this warped-funhouse-mirror column is that it shows Sard is still on the case.

This is not over. We still fight.

Yes! Shine the light, Brother 58. How do you win the argument, according to the high-powered, stealthy PR playbook? By obfuscating the true issues and dividing. UAB supporters feel inferior to Alabama and Auburn due to their lack of foobaw prowess. They care more about a team's successes or failures than spending money on education. Stupid Lynyrd Skynyrd, wife beating, meth-loving rubes, those Alabama-Birmingham, U.A.B. folk.


The national audience doesn't realize UAB is on a progressive island vs the rest of this state.

The national audience doesn't realize this is not about whether UAB fields a football team (unless they read Dr Knox's brilliant Chronicle op-ed.

The national audience does not see UAB through the lens of a research juggernaut with unparalleled undergraduate studies.

We know all three points above. We must propagate this gnosis to the masses.
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(06-09-2015 01:47 PM)uabbean Wrote:  UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.

Medical research is funded by grants. It's not possible to convert that into football money.
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(06-09-2015 07:51 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 01:47 PM)uabbean Wrote:  UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.

Medical research is funded by grants. It's not possible to convert that into football money.

Schools usually take a slice (sometimes a fairly large slice in the 45% range) of grants as overhead. These funds usually go into the general budget and can be spent on pretty much anything the school wants.
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(06-09-2015 08:00 PM)JxGx78 Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 07:51 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 01:47 PM)uabbean Wrote:  UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.

Medical research is funded by grants. It's not possible to convert that into football money.

Schools usually take a slice (sometimes a fairly large slice in the 45% range) of grants as overhead. These funds usually go into the general budget and can be spent on pretty much anything the school wants.

You're right. If I recall correctly UAB's is 40%
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(06-09-2015 08:00 PM)JxGx78 Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 07:51 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  
(06-09-2015 01:47 PM)uabbean Wrote:  UAB Athletics takes 20 million a year from our budget (5 million from students fees and 15 million of ACADEMIC from medical research funds.

Medical research is funded by grants. It's not possible to convert that into football money.

Schools usually take a slice (sometimes a fairly large slice in the 45% range) of grants as overhead. These funds usually go into the general budget and can be spent on pretty much anything the school wants.
At UAB a large potion of this indirect grant funding which is on top of the grant amount goes into the President's discretionary fund that has funded most of the buildings debt free (except where its advantages to a particular grant to have facilities debt) and funds the athletic budget deficit,
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