(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

Just FYI, that list does NOT include LA Tech's P5 win over Illinois in last year's HOD Bowl.

(06-09-2015 10:27 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:27 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  We have Louisville and Pitt in 2016. That issue is being addressed.

I wasn't trying to disparage Marshall. You play the schedule in front of you. The committee was setting an example with Marshall. They didn't want the G5 schools to think there was a chance to get into an Access Bowl without P5 game and it was the perfect excuse to give Boise "ESPN Darlings" another Big Bowl. Marshall was totally deserving.

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But the person assigned to the American, we spent a lot of time talking about Memphis and talking about Cincinnati and talking about UCF because they were all tri-champs with impressive victories and I think they all had three losses. I won't engage in hypotheticals, but I will say I'm proud the committee did spend a lot of time with looking at the smaller schools and really trying to figure out where they would fit in. And that's why it's important to continue to have these nonconference games against the Power 5 schools. I know Mike has stressed that and schools are responding by scheduling a lot of...and the way Memphis played UCLA, for example, even though they lost last year it was a heck of a game and UCLA had a good team. So that mattered. We talked about that a lot. What I think the American is doing is great in terms of scheduling tough nonconference schedules, I think that's important.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/uc...-post.html

Third article/interview that suggests Memphis was close to the access bowl due to "how they played" P5 games. Close might just not count in horseshoes and hand grenades anymore.

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Fair enough and even as bad as we were in 2013 we had to fumble the ball twice late - once inside the 5 and the other inside the 1 yard line to lose to Kansas on the road.

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Ok, then have 11-1 CUSA team not even being considered for an Access bowl.

Boise is the model for success and they haven't back away from playing P5

There are winnable P5 games out there, and Western Kentucky has good shot this year of winning both.

(06-09-2015 10:26 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Fair enough and even as bad as we were in 2013 we had to fumble the ball twice late - once inside the 5 and the other inside the 1 yard line to lose to Kansas on the road.

Don't remind me

As long as Boise doesn't lose 3 games in a season, it will always be their Access spots, just rename it to G5/Boise Bowl Bid....

(06-10-2015 07:26 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  As long as Boise doesn't lose 3 games in a season, it will always be their Access spots, just rename it to G5/Boise Bowl Bid....

I think that Boise WILL get the lions share but you are going to see a revolt if the wealth isn't shared a little bit. There are currently 2 Conferences without a BCS or Access Bowl appearance, CUSA and Sunbelt. This change was designed to give the hope of freeing up a permanent slot. All that it really did was take away a slot and force everyone to play for the Big East's old slot. Preseason polls seam to predetermine the pool of Access bowl G5 teams.

(06-10-2015 06:40 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No respect is earn with the pollsters by beating ball state or eastern michigan and couple fcs schools. Scheduling winnable P5 games is essential to being ranked and being considered at the end of the year. There are very winnable P5 games out there, even on the road. Tech has beat Ole Miss, Illinois (Champaign) and Virginia on the road just in the last few years. Teams like NC State, Kansas, Kentucky, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and many more are very winnable road games.

We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Ok, then have 11-1 CUSA team not even being considered for an Access bowl.

Boise is the model for success and they haven't back away from playing P5

There are winnable P5 games out there, and Western Kentucky has good shot this year of winning both.

Where did I say not to schedule P5 teams? Stop imagining statements. We all need to schedule (& beat) P5 teams. But going on the road multiple times in the same season against P5 opponents isn't smart. Body bag games are necessity for some but it definitely hurts the conference.
You are right about using Boise St as a model. Do you know what they haven't done in the past several seasons? Schedule multiple road P5 games in the same season!

(06-10-2015 10:42 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 06:40 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:49 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:37 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  We agree about scheduling winnable P5 games and that even on the road those are valuable. But LA Tech's results are far more of a mixed bag from playing multiple P5 games on the road.
In 2009, 0-2.
In 2011, 1-1.
In 2012, 2-1. No doubt where your optimism playing on the road stems and for legit reason.
In 2013, 0-2.
In 2014, 0-2.

Further, I will give LA Tech credit, you've done an excellent job scheduling P5 teams. Not many absolutely no chancers in that mix (like @ LSU for instance). But last year CUSA finished second among our peer conferences without a P5 win. Marshall finished the season in the top 25 without playing a P5 team. We have to play P5 schools on the road, that is inarguable. But it is not the only way to respect or success and it often hurts more than it helps especially when schools are as successful & smart as LA Tech at getting winnable road opportunities.

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Ok, then have 11-1 CUSA team not even being considered for an Access bowl.

Boise is the model for success and they haven't back away from playing P5

There are winnable P5 games out there, and Western Kentucky has good shot this year of winning both.

Where did I say not to schedule P5 teams? Stop imagining statements. We all need to schedule (& beat) P5 teams. But going on the road multiple times in the same season against P5 opponents isn't smart. Body bag games are necessity for some but it definitely hurts the conference.
You are right about using Boise St as a model. Do you know what they haven't done in the past several seasons? Schedule multiple road P5 games in the same season!

There is a certain point for each and every program where the need for body bag games diminishes enough to allow attendance to pay the difference. It takes consistent winning and financial investment on the part of fans and alumni. Using Boise as an example is great but you first have to look at the entire picture. Boise put all their chips in one basket "football" and continued to play multiple P5 schools albeit lower tiered ones. They also raised a ton of money during those days as well. Its going to take a huge investment with multiple road blocks "placed by P5 teams" to fully get away from the practice. 1.5 to 2 million dollars is a lot of money for smaller G5 programs.

(06-10-2015 10:55 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 10:42 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 06:40 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:54 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  [quote='winston70' pid='12121162' dateline='1433900983']

What? We played at Auburn and at Oklahoma just last season. Both better than @ LSU

I said you've done pretty well at avoiding those types of games but not completely as last year showed. My point stands. It would be better if CUSA teams avoided multiple P5 away games in the same year.

Ok, then have 11-1 CUSA team not even being considered for an Access bowl.

Boise is the model for success and they haven't back away from playing P5

There are winnable P5 games out there, and Western Kentucky has good shot this year of winning both.

Where did I say not to schedule P5 teams? Stop imagining statements. We all need to schedule (& beat) P5 teams. But going on the road multiple times in the same season against P5 opponents isn't smart. Body bag games are necessity for some but it definitely hurts the conference.
You are right about using Boise St as a model. Do you know what they haven't done in the past several seasons? Schedule multiple road P5 games in the same season!

There is a certain point for each and every program where the need for body bag games diminishes enough to allow attendance to pay the difference. It takes consistent winning and financial investment on the part of fans and alumni. Using Boise as an example is great but you first have to look at the entire picture. Boise put all their chips in one basket "football" and continued to play multiple P5 schools albeit lower tiered ones. They also raised a ton of money during those days as well. Its going to take a huge investment with multiple road blocks "placed by P5 teams" to fully get away from the practice. 1.5 to 2 million dollars is a lot of money for smaller G5 programs.


Boise had their best teams in the WAC days when they scheduled P5 power teams at neutral sites like Washington DC for VA Tech and Atlanta for Georgia and won the games - that combined with the W's in the BCS games really impressed a national audience. They also beat a highly ranked Oregon team at home. They had some really solid teams.