(06-08-2015 10:44 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I personally like the inner suburbs. With having children, they offer kids to play with, competitive sports, and the general safety to be outside. They also have a local, small town feel, but close enough to do things without traffic being a factor. Not to mention, I enjoy a 4 mile commute. I guess where I live is "suburban-ish", though technically it is in the city limits, the neighborhood certainly isn't urban. More like the Wonder Years with wide streets and sidewalks and a lot of small parks. I have no interest in moving "further out", however. If, I'm gonna live in the sticks, I'm going to have land, not busy body neighbors and HOAs.

If I ever move to "suburbs," it'll be suburbs like you're describing.

I'll never live in a land of sub-divisions and cul-de-sacs.

I get why some people like it, it is just not for me.

I love being able to walk to the park, walk to work (if I feel like it), or bike around. I still use my car for most things, but it is nice to have the option without being 100% reliant on my car to get around. Never sitting in traffic to go anywhere is pretty nice too.

Also agree that if i move out of the city, it'll be to live in the middle of nowhere with a big plot of land. To me, the suburbs represent all the negatives of city life (traffic, lack of space, pollution, etc) without the positives (walkability, lack of traffic nearby amenities, events, etc). That simply doesn't interest me. I have friends on Facebook that make nearly daily Facebook posts about how much they hate sitting in traffic, and at 3 hours a day for some of them, rightfully so, but that is a consequence of their decision to live where they did, so I don't feel too bad for them.

Sounds like they bought a house at a stupid location. My commute is a breeze and I live in Cabarrus County.

(06-08-2015 10:51 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I don't see Dilworth as suburban at all.

Well it certainly isn't urban, city living. Just google earthed it and a good chunk of the houses even have pools. But no, it isn't new-suburban either.

(06-08-2015 10:28 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The suburbs represent to the hipster urban lefties everything they love to hate on:
bigger new houses with big yards
better school systems
commuting by car (not public transit/cycling/walking)
chain restaurants
shopping centers and malls…
The absolute height of decadence and hurting the planet!

in their minds we should all live in tiny flats with little or no yard, eat locavore, send our kids to inner city schools, and walk/ride bikes/use public transit.

So much of your personal anger in this post.

As somebody who grew up in the suburbs and had parents who commuted 30-40min to the city everyday, I'm not so much against suburbs but long commutes to work. I refuse to spend 1-1.5 hours a day in my car. Currently, I work in the suburbs but live in the city. I love not having to drive my car on the weekends.

The idea of living in the suburbs as a better place is becoming outdated. Now people like the idea of living in dense, walkable neighborhoods without needing a car and all the amenities of the big city in walking, bussing or train distance.

As has been said though, it depends on where you are in your life and your priorities. When I get all my ducks in a row, I'm definitely moving to the city, having no kids and wanting to reduce expenses. As for bad public schools, that's what private schools are for.

(06-08-2015 10:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:27 AM)fsquid Wrote:  just depends where you are in your circle of life. Once my kids are out of the house, I'll move back into town to be closer to things.

I'm the opposite. When my youngest graduates I want to move someplace where I have to carry an ice chest to the grocery store so the ice cream doesn't melt on the way home. I told my wife I would be perfectly happy to live somewhere that I would feel compelled to get on Facebook and make a status when a car drives by the house.

now, we're talking!

I want to be able to own enough land that going to my closest "neighbor" house will involve using something motorized. People can have the hustle and bustle of the city, the concrete, the crime, the poverty, and the mass transit crap.

Driving a few miles into town to go grocery shopping sounds wonderful especially if that town has about 10,000 people or less.

(06-08-2015 11:02 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:28 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The suburbs represent to the hipster urban lefties everything they love to hate on:
bigger new houses with big yards
better school systems
commuting by car (not public transit/cycling/walking)
chain restaurants
shopping centers and malls…
The absolute height of decadence and hurting the planet!

in their minds we should all live in tiny flats with little or no yard, eat locavore, send our kids to inner city schools, and walk/ride bikes/use public transit.

So much of your personal anger in this post.

As somebody who grew up in the suburbs and had parents who commuted 30-40min to the city everyday, I'm not so much against suburbs but long commutes to work. I refuse to spend 1-1.5 hours a day in my car. Currently, I work in the suburbs but live in the city. I love not having to drive my car on the weekends.

That was a choice your parents made and you choice to do a reverse commute. The issue mptnstr@44 and the OP are referring to is the idea that someone is bad, or selfish because they choose to live in the 'burbs and that it is an incorrect choice. Just take a look at the land use and zoning laws in Oregon to see the coercive step that are taken to limit ones options.

Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

(06-08-2015 11:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Other than Atlantic Cities, it's hard to find a websites that hates US suburbs more.

hating on the suburbs or "hating" on urban areas is just a waste of time. All metros need a mix.

(06-08-2015 11:02 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:28 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The suburbs represent to the hipster urban lefties everything they love to hate on:
bigger new houses with big yards
better school systems
commuting by car (not public transit/cycling/walking)
chain restaurants
shopping centers and malls…
The absolute height of decadence and hurting the planet!

in their minds we should all live in tiny flats with little or no yard, eat locavore, send our kids to inner city schools, and walk/ride bikes/use public transit.

So much of your personal anger in this post.

As somebody who grew up in the suburbs and had parents who commuted 30-40min to the city everyday, I'm not so much against suburbs but long commutes to work. I refuse to spend 1-1.5 hours a day in my car. Currently, I work in the suburbs but live in the city. I love not having to drive my car on the weekends.

Yeah ! I drive My Wifes Car on the Weekends

I love the burbs. I pay good money to live around people who generally keep to themselves.

(06-08-2015 11:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Other than Atlantic Cities, it's hard to find a websites that hates US suburbs more.

Yeah, I briefly browsed that but it reads like a bunch of people with their heads in the sand unwilling to address some of the issues that urban areas face.

(06-08-2015 11:11 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:33 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:27 AM)fsquid Wrote:  just depends where you are in your circle of life. Once my kids are out of the house, I'll move back into town to be closer to things.

I'm the opposite. When my youngest graduates I want to move someplace where I have to carry an ice chest to the grocery store so the ice cream doesn't melt on the way home. I told my wife I would be perfectly happy to live somewhere that I would feel compelled to get on Facebook and make a status when a car drives by the house.

now, we're talking!

I want to be able to own enough land that going to my closest "neighbor" house will involve using something motorized. People can have the hustle and bustle of the city, the concrete, the crime, the poverty, and the mass transit crap.

Driving a few miles into town to go grocery shopping sounds wonderful especially if that town has about 10,000 people or less.

My wife and I intentially avoid any area with mass transit whether it's buses, rail, whatever... Our basic theory is that all you're doing is giving the riff raff who can't afford a car an easier path to live where you'd rather they not live or visit.

(06-08-2015 11:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Other than Atlantic Cities, it's hard to find a websites that hates Houston more.

Fixed

(06-08-2015 11:21 AM)fsquid Wrote:  hating on the suburbs or "hating" on urban areas is just a waste of time. All metros need a mix.

Some rural/semi-rural and weekend getaways don't hurt either don't hurt either.

Suburbs are great. Weird people live in the city or country.

I've lived all my life in suburban NYC, Chicago, and Dallas.

Well I'm weird, so that's why I fit in just fine in the city.

(06-08-2015 11:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Other than Atlantic Cities, it's hard to find a websites that hates US suburbs more.

Here's a good one.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/

(06-08-2015 11:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps the OP should ask the question on this site:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Other than Atlantic Cities, it's hard to find a websites that hates Houston more.

Fixed

Any Sunbelt city will do for their purposes.

(06-08-2015 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:44 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I personally like the inner suburbs. With having children, they offer kids to play with, competitive sports, and the general safety to be outside. They also have a local, small town feel, but close enough to do things without traffic being a factor. Not to mention, I enjoy a 4 mile commute. I guess where I live is "suburban-ish", though technically it is in the city limits, the neighborhood certainly isn't urban. More like the Wonder Years with wide streets and sidewalks and a lot of small parks. I have no interest in moving "further out", however. If, I'm gonna live in the sticks, I'm going to have land, not busy body neighbors and HOAs.

If I ever move to "suburbs," it'll be suburbs like you're describing.

I'll never live in a land of sub-divisions and cul-de-sacs.

I get why some people like it, it is just not for me.

I love being able to walk to the park, walk to work (if I feel like it), or bike around. I still use my car for most things, but it is nice to have the option without being 100% reliant on my car to get around. Never sitting in traffic to go anywhere is pretty nice too.

Also agree that if i move out of the city, it'll be to live in the middle of nowhere with a big plot of land. To me, the suburbs represent all the negatives of city life (traffic, lack of space, pollution, etc) without the positives (walkability, lack of traffic nearby amenities, events, etc). That simply doesn't interest me. I have friends on Facebook that make nearly daily Facebook posts about how much they hate sitting in traffic, and at 3 hours a day for some of them, rightfully so, but that is a consequence of their decision to live where they did, so I don't feel too bad for them.

Sounds like they bought a house at a stupid location. My commute is a breeze and I live in Cabarrus County.

South Charlotte and Lake Norman have terrible commutes. I wouldn't call those stupid locations unless judging solely by commute.