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No problem here.
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So... even when Liberty isn't a discussed candidate by the AD, we still discuss them.

To get rid of Liberty, I think we'll need an old priest and a young priest.
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Thanks for all the I approve votes. I sadly just don't see an SBC Liberty marriage happening. I really can't see a logical reason why. The comments made by ADs are just smoke screens for the Liberty is not like us mentality IMHO. And yes online and $$ has a lot to do with it. Presidents are the hold up IMHO.
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I'm for them 100%,would be my next program over any other FCS move up.
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It's a cookbook
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(06-07-2015 03:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Plus any friend of Ted Cruz is not a friend of mine.

You hit the nail on the head
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Can we have an option that reads something to the effect of "I'm of no opinion for or against to university itself but feel better expansion options exist"? Because that would get my vote.
06-07-2015 05:11 PM
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(06-07-2015 03:15 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 03:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Having to drink out of a solo cup while tailgating at Furman & Sanford, you learn to hate dealing with these private schools.

Begs the question. Why aren't they trying to get in the SoCon and be with similar institutions?

LoL at using the SoCon as a barometer. This is a league that invited VMI. I don't know what the SoCon had in mind with their last round of additions, but it wasn't athletic competitiveness. The Big South has arguably surpassed the SoCon.
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(06-07-2015 03:54 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  So... even when Liberty isn't a discussed candidate by the AD, we still discuss them.

To get rid of Liberty, I think we'll need an old priest and a young priest.

Way short of 75%.
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(06-07-2015 02:51 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Overall I don't like the idea of a private in an otherwise public conference and that bias was probably developed from our time in the shortsighted mostly private SoCon.

Same. We've dealt with a conference with a mix of publics and privates before and saw the privates become very difficult to deal with.

I don't feel like Liberty's athletics mission (becoming to Evangelicals what Notre Dame is the Catholics, BYS is to LDS, etc) is compatible with the rest of the Sun Belt. When App State was in the process of getting a new chancellor, alums, students and faculty were polled on what they want. Overwhelmingly, the faculty and alums was against expanding online education (the students were neutral on it) and saw it as a shortcut. I feel most faculty at the other Sun Belt schools would feel the same way and academically, it would be putting fire and ice together.

In the NCAA, you are judged by the company you keep.
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(06-07-2015 05:38 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 02:51 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Overall I don't like the idea of a private in an otherwise public conference and that bias was probably developed from our time in the shortsighted mostly private SoCon.

Same. We've dealt with a conference with a mix of publics and privates before and saw the privates become very difficult to deal with.

I don't feel like Liberty's athletics mission (becoming to Evangelicals what Notre Dame is the Catholics, BYS is to LDS, etc) is compatible with the rest of the Sun Belt. When App State was in the process of getting a new chancellor, alums, students and faculty were polled on what they want. Overwhelmingly, the faculty and alums was against expanding online education (the students were neutral on it) and saw it as a shortcut. I feel most faculty at the other Sun Belt schools would feel the same way and academically, it would be putting fire and ice together.

In the NCAA, you are judged by the company you keep.

You can't put Liberty in the same category as Furple or Wofford. The very fact that Liberty wants FBS alone demonstrates how they are different than those schools.

The public/private thing doesn't matter to me as much as having an institution that is willing and able to commit to athletics and has a decent fan base.

You have private schools in power 5 conferences like Stanford, USC, TCU, and Baylor and it doesn't create a problem with their leagues.
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I didn't vote. You should have put

"Discriminates in employment, staffing, and admissions based upon RELIGION and sexual orientation"

as an option.

I don't think "Theology" covers that. Because the Bible doesn't say "Don't hire Gays or Jews"
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They just seem like a late 90s internet startup. I am not as impressed as other by their budget and their other supposed money seems like creative accounting.
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(06-07-2015 03:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Plus any friend of Ted Cruz is not a friend of mine.

kewl post.

I'm not a fan of the current leadership structure at Liberty but when I see the antithesis it makes me cringe.
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(06-07-2015 06:20 PM)panama Wrote:  They just seem like a late 90s internet startup. I am not as impressed as other by their budget and their other supposed money seems like creative accounting.

I'm not for them joining the sbc because they dont have much to offer university wise and dont help the conference name recognition wise. If phoenix started a football team and wanted to join, I would not be a fan of that either. I dont see any upside in having them. could just stand pat and get nmsu in for all sports. The church part that bothers some folks doesnt make any difference to me. I remember when Baylor was pretty much off the chart and that didnt hold them back any.
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(06-07-2015 03:15 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 03:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Having to drink out of a solo cup while tailgating at Furman & Sanford, you learn to hate dealing with these private schools.

Begs the question. Why aren't they trying to get in the SoCon and be with similar institutions?

They have much higher athletic aspirations than the institutions in the SmallCon.
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(06-07-2015 06:47 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 06:20 PM)panama Wrote:  They just seem like a late 90s internet startup. I am not as impressed as other by their budget and their other supposed money seems like creative accounting.

I'm not for them joining the sbc because they dont have much to offer university wise and dont help the conference name recognition wise. If phoenix started a football team and wanted to join, I would not be a fan of that either. I dont see any upside in having them. could just stand pat and get nmsu in for all sports. The church part that bothers some folks doesnt make any difference to me. I remember when Baylor was pretty much off the chart and that didnt hold them back any.

Pretty much this, except more so than University of Phoenix. UoP isn't trying to be something it's not. My issue with Liberty isn't about bad academics, it's about making academics look like a farce. There's a difference between having low admission standards (UoP) and being looked at as a joke (Liberty).
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We should invite the University of Phoenix. It'll help the West division and they already have a stadium. But then again we could just play the games online...
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Problem with that logic is that Liberty was an on campus school quite a ways before it was an on line school. The difference is that Liberty does both well. Liberty was also one of the very first to do online and is way ahead of the curve. So many other on campus schools are now following suit.

The results of this poll make it clear that these issues rest with a scant few bitter folks. Most realize this is an athletics conversation and that Liberty would fit in quite well.
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(06-07-2015 08:16 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  We should invite the University of Phoenix. It'll help the West division and they already have a stadium. But then again we could just play the games online...

Yeah! This could help EA Sports get to bringing back the NCAA franchise. This works out for EVERYBODY
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