(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

(06-05-2015 10:12 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:09 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:06 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 09:48 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  But it's every citizens' right to vote. They shouldn't be taxed to vote.

Nor should they be forced to register to vote if they don't desire.

They wouldn't be. They could simply opt out of being registered if they wanted to.

And then they decide they want to vote in the next election and register just beforehand. You have the same problem as before.

There wasn't a problem here to begin with.

That is the trick here. Hillary wants to talk about fake garbage like this so she doesn't have to talk about ISIS, Benghazi, Obamacare or the economy.

Then stop opposing universal voter enrollment.

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

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I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

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And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

(06-07-2015 05:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:12 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:09 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:06 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Nor should they be forced to register to vote if they don't desire.

They wouldn't be. They could simply opt out of being registered if they wanted to.

And then they decide they want to vote in the next election and register just beforehand. You have the same problem as before.

There wasn't a problem here to begin with.

That is the trick here. Hillary wants to talk about fake garbage like this so she doesn't have to talk about ISIS, Benghazi, Obamacare or the economy.

Then stop opposing universal voter enrollment.

lol What a joke of an issue

1- Every citizen in the country is already free to register and vote if they choose to do so.

2- Millions of citizens DON'T want to be registered to vote.

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

---

I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

---

And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

18 year olds shouldn't vote. The human brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

Most (a clear majority) of 18 year olds have their heads up their ass.

(06-07-2015 11:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

---

I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

---

And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

18 year olds shouldn't vote. The human brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

Most (a clear majority) of 18 year olds have their heads up their ass.

Maybe an exemption for those serving though? If you've got your **** together enough to serve, you should have a say in who gives you your orders.

(06-07-2015 11:56 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

---

I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

---

And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

18 year olds shouldn't vote. The human brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

Most (a clear majority) of 18 year olds have their heads up their ass.

While I can definitely understand that view, it's my view that if someone can take a bullet for his/her country, then that person should have the right to vote.

You need an ID for just about anything anymore. unless You are Illegal or Hiding from the law, No excuse Not to show some legal form of ID to Vote. You are Not supposed to vote More than One Time. And ID Laws prevent Some from voting Multiple times. So Tom, If Those are Democrat Voters are Voting Multiple Times then YES WE want to Suppress Those Voters Only ! The Same goes for any Republican, Independent voters trying Multiple name Voting.

(06-08-2015 08:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  You need an ID for just about anything anymore. unless You are Illegal or Hiding from the law, No excuse Not to show some legal form of ID to Vote. You are Not supposed to vote More than One Time. And ID Laws prevent Some from voting Multiple times. So Tom, If Those are Democrat Voters are Voting Multiple Times then YES WE want to Suppress Those Voters Only ! The Same goes for any Republican, Independent voters trying Multiple name Voting.

Some form of legal ID....sure.

How about a Student ID issued by a state agency? A Lone Star Card? Not in Texas. The only alternate forms of ID available are ones that are held in disproportionately low numbers by the poor due to cost and hassle, such as a passport, a CCL, and a DPS issued drivers license WITH THE CURRENT ADDRESS (by the way, that's a real sticking point - it amounts to a massive time and money tax on the poor and the young, who change addresses much more often than others)

The argument that these new ID laws are really about ID and not voter suppression fall apart in the face of the way these laws are implemented.

But there's really no point in going that route, because the GOP is going to fight using a student ID or a Lone Star Card to vote with the same opposition as the real solution, which is universal voter registration.

In HRC's own home blue state of NY, there is only one day to vote on...election day. Zero early voting.
but, but, but what about all of those people who can't make it to the polls?

Better vote absentee or no vote for you!

#newyorkstateofdisenfranchisement

(06-08-2015 09:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  You need an ID for just about anything anymore. unless You are Illegal or Hiding from the law, No excuse Not to show some legal form of ID to Vote. You are Not supposed to vote More than One Time. And ID Laws prevent Some from voting Multiple times. So Tom, If Those are Democrat Voters are Voting Multiple Times then YES WE want to Suppress Those Voters Only ! The Same goes for any Republican, Independent voters trying Multiple name Voting.

Some form of legal ID....sure.

How about a Student ID issued by a state agency? A Lone Star Card? Not in Texas. The only alternate forms of ID available are ones that are held in disproportionately low numbers by the poor due to cost and hassle, such as a passport, a CCL, and a DPS issued drivers license WITH THE CURRENT ADDRESS (by the way, that's a real sticking point - it amounts to a massive time and money tax on the poor and the young, who change addresses much more often than others)

The argument that these new ID laws are really about ID and not voter suppression fall apart in the face of the way these laws are implemented.

But there's really no point in going that route, because the GOP is going to fight using a student ID or a Lone Star Card to vote with the same opposition as the real solution, which is universal voter registration.

College Student ID's would open up the opportunity for college aged voters to potentially vote at home and at school with no cross-check since the issuing agencies are a government and an academic institution. It would work for in-state students but not for out of state students.

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

---

I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

---

And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

Good. Maybe then South Carolina can get rid of the embarrassment that is Jim Clyburn because his district is the poster child for gerrymandering.

'making up' problems doesn't help your argument, Tom.... and Hillary's suggestions are an obvious deflection to anyone with a brain.

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours).

Link to either? I live in Cali and used to live in Texas... Had to change my DL.... Took 3 minutes to do so online in Texas, took 4 hours at the Cali DMV.

FTR, it takes only a few minutes to register to vote as well.

Quote:And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often.

This is a registration issue (which democrats support) not an ID issue and you know it.... and of course, you can vote by mail without an ID. Most of the acceptable IDs for voting (by number, not by popularity) don't have an address on it. Once again, a made-up problem.

Quote:Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

Yeah... only Republicans can or would 'carry'. Do you even remotely understand what 'ID' means? A concealed carry card requires a background check and carries all sorts of fraud prevention measures... a school ID does not. If you want to make it so, I'm sure that would be fine. I have yet to see a formal democratic proposal to do so. A Lone Star card doesn't have a photo, so no way to verify that this person IS the person they say they are, without another form of ID. Should we ask them for their pin? Of course, if you have a lone star card, you have everything you need to vote... and LIKELY have a state ID or license, because the people who help you get aid will want you to have one... but you simply ignore that.

Quote:These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

pfft.

Quote:Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

Does anyone thing that the resistance to this isn't about the Democrats trying to make it easier for people to vote illegally?

Quote:I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out).

Great. No problem. So you support voter ID, and your issue is with voter registration.

Of course, this still disenfranchises all of the people that you complain that voter ID disenfranchises. Why do you hate poor people and Democrats?

Quote: 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday

This only applies to those who got a license prior to 18. Why do you hate poor people and Democrats?

Quote:3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration.

This is the ONLY thing that Texas doesn't do (link them) ... but you still have to have an ID... and changing your address online for your license is already available in Texas. Registration IS separate, but those forms are available almost literally everywhere.... like any government office of any kind, library, internet or high school. It is FAR FAR FAR easier to register to vote than it is to get an ID... and tying your registration to your ID doesn't make it any easier to get an ID.

Quote:4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

You mean like a Republican ID card? And as I said, if you've provided the information to get AFDC, you've provided the information to get an ID... but it STILL doesn't mean that you can use your debit card as proof of who you are to vote.... unless you're going to ask people to enter their pin number to vote?


Once again, This is ONLY about registration and NONE of this addresses all of the shortcomings you guys argue about w/r/t the Texas law. All you are doing is making it easier for those who have ID to register... You aren't making it any easier for those without ID to get ID. If a Republican had suggested every single one of these things, you'd STILL be arguing that it doesn't help poor people without ID to vote.


I'll support every single one of these... and they ALL tie voting to IDs, but NONE of them address your complaints about needing an ID to vote, other than making it even MORE necessary to have an ID to vote.

(06-07-2015 05:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 05:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not a fake issue. Its real. And the GOP has no counter to this.

I was at the speech yesterday BTW. I didn't want to go thinking that it would just be platitudes. I'm glad I went. This is vital to our democracy.

I often disagree with you, but I usually respect your opinion. You've gone off the rails here though Tom.

"registering to vote' isn't about Presidential elections... It's about local elections. It's about living in the districts where you cast your votes. Every time you move, you have to notify the government that you've moved, otherwise they can't keep up with you and where you are allowed to vote. Unless you want people in Alabama voting for city council in San Francisco, there IS NO SUCH THING as automatic voter registration.... nor CAN there be. This is just foolishness.

As for how this relates to voter ID, once again, it's been addressed, even in Texas... and you say 'they have no counter'?

Voter IDs are free in Texas, and not even necessary if you vote by mail.... and if you have registered with the government as suggested here... i.e. you have a ssn and a birth certificate (what would be REQUIRED in any sort of 'automatic registration) then you can get one.

If you don't have those items, then you can't be 'automatically registered' anyway.



Seriously... What are you guys after? Describe the process. Stop saying 'automatic registration' as if it requires no effort or paperwork, and then describing a similar process where effort and paperwork are required. LOTS of you guys CLAIM to support positive ID, but none of you describe a scenario that provides positive ID..... EVER.

Voter ID's cost at least a day off of work, because Texas makes it needlessly difficult to get an id (California takes 15 minutes...Texas 5-6 hours). And its a tax on the poor and the young, who move more often. Furthermore, Texas allows the use of a Republican ID card (a Concealed Carry license) for Voter ID, but does NOT allow a student ID (even one issued by a state school) or a Lone Star card for the same purpose.

These new requirements are about making it harder for Democratic groups to vote.

Why make it more difficult to vote than to buy a handgun?

Does anyone think that this isn't about the GOP trying to make it harder for Dems to vote?

---

I like the Oregon method. 1) Every person who gets a drivers' license or state id is registered automatically (unless they opt out). 2) 18 year olds are registered automatically based upon their 18th birthday 3) Change of address is online and automatically links to voter registration. 4) Any interaction with the state from getting a gun license to applying for AFDC will hit the voter registration db.

HRC's plan mandates further that every state shall have early voting at least 14 days within the month of the election and that 4 of those days must be weekend days. Early vote locations must have easy public transport availability and voting machines on election day and for early voting must have the exact same proportion as to the eligible voting population.

---

And then there's early voting (and in Oregon - online voting). The idea is to get everyone registered.

By the way, expect Dem states, including California, to enact the Oregon plan within the next year. The estimate is that 5-7 million more voters will be voting in those states.

This issue won't go away. And when we're done with this, we're going to start in on gerrymandering.

Who the **** is we?

I have no problem with the Oregon plan aside from one hangup. Illegals can get driver's licenses.

(06-08-2015 12:43 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I have no problem with the Oregon plan aside from one hangup. Illegals can get driver's licenses.

apparently neither can Democrats...

(06-05-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:10 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  How would propose making it automatic fit? Who is eligible?

Every U.S. citizen would automatically get registered just like men get registered for selective service.

Men don't automatically get registered for the selective service. I registered at the DMV at the same time I registered to vote.

Symantics.

stopped reading here.

a scenario was presented in which you were proved objectively, factually incorrect and you called it semantics.

such a clown post

(06-08-2015 01:36 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 11:10 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  How would propose making it automatic fit? Who is eligible?

Every U.S. citizen would automatically get registered just like men get registered for selective service.

Men don't automatically get registered for the selective service. I registered at the DMV at the same time I registered to vote.

Symantics.

stopped reading here.

a scenario was presented in which you were proved objectively, factually incorrect and you called it semantics.

such a clown poster

FIFY