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RE: UMass Football
(09-17-2017 08:23 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 10:57 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 10:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 11:53 PM)Blitz Wrote:  Per the above posts, I think if the MAC ever decides to expand to 16, it will look more like this:


North - NIU, CMU, WMU, EMU

South - Missouri St., Arkansas St., Ill. St., Ball St.

Central - Miami, Ohio, Toledo, Marshall

East - Buffalo, Kent, Akron, BG

More fertile (less crowded) markets, with better regional rivalries, and more of an emphasis on football. I think the window for UMass has closed, because without a Temple (the original intended MAC partner) or an Army pairing, there are better football grouping options.

Marshall I see no enthusiasm for them from MAC presidents.

I see Old Dominion a nice add for the MAC. They could do well in the MAC East and bring a bowl game. I believe the MAC offered them before.

The ODU beat writer for the Virginian-Pilot wrote a pretty exhaustive article about ODU and their attempt to find an FBS home. The MAC commissioner was among those at the time who said thanks, but no thanks. Whether that was an indictment of ODU or a lack of interest in expanding in general, I don't know. I guess it's possible that the MAC would be more open to ODU now that it's more established, but it'd take a lot of moves to open up spots in the MAC, I'd wager. And even then, a move from CUSA to the MAC would be a lateral move at best and probably not worth having to pay an exit fee as well as an entrance fee.

VCU almost certainly wouldn't join the MAC unless the A-10 was about to fall to America East levels and it didn't have any other options. I think they'd get an AAC bid before St. Louis. But even a worst-case scenario (Dayton and UMass to the AAC, St. Louis and Richmond to the Big East) would leave VCU in a conference with George Washington, Davidson, Rhode Island, St. Joseph's and a few other schools that occasionally rise up (St. Bonaventure, LaSalle, George Mason). That might still be more appealing than being a basketball member of a football conference that hasn't had an at-large NCAA bid since 1999.

Not sure what Rhody's deal is. The A-10 is probably the best they can hope for; their basketball isn't Big East worthy (plus public school) and they almost sent their football to the low-scholarship NEC, so that really cuts down on their options. But recent hoops success notwithstanding, I don't know that the MAC would even want them (Duquesne has lesser basketball and is a private school but they're at least in the footprint).

Article seems to confirm the MAC-16 plan at the time would have been acceptable with Delaware, JMU and ODU all moving to the MAC but Delaware and JMU were not in a position to move up.

ODU met with the MAC commish at the final four. MAC commish not too interested but thinks about it later. Hatches a potential plan that includes ODU, JMU and Delaware that doesn't get off the ground. MAC option still considered by ODU down to the wire but would require cooperation by more institutions (JMU, Delaware) so was ruled out.

I wish the MAC would consider non-FB members but they don't seem interested in going that direction.

I feel also that Buffalo, UMass and ODU have business playing in the same FBS conference together which is not happening at this point.

UMASS was in and blew a shot at full membership when they refused to go all in for all sports. Good MAC combination at the time of their all sports invite would have been UMASS and James Madison for all sports. Didn't happen - move on. The MAC is happy with 12 for all sports right now. 05-nono 07-coffee3
09-17-2017 02:28 PM
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