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Bailiff: Can he be the next Gary Patterson?
I don't get all the excitement over the new coaches at SMU, UH, and Tulsa. IMO, David Bailiff continues to get overlooked for the job he's doing at Rice. He reminds me a lot of Gary Patterson. They both just continue to get the job done, year in and year out, and yet it seems like they never quite get their due. Even as Patterson won BCS bowls, he was continually passed over when the biggest jobs opened up, mainly because he wasn't the most flashy candidate.
I'm excited to watch Bailiff's progression in the revamped CUSA. Rice is going to win A LOT of games. With the present playoff structure that includes that Access Bowl, Bailiff could most definitely emulate a TCU program that was a perennial BCS buster. Marshall just barely missed it last year with Doc, but I think Bailiff has a steady hand. One of the reasons I think Rice is so perfect for the revamped CUSA is that taking that Access Slot would - imo - be a game changer for your athletics department. There is a lot more parity in the AAC and Boise has greater resources than all of the other MWC teams.
My only question would be, isn't it time you stopped playing Texas and Baylor? In their best years, TCU played maybe 1 mid-tier P5 team (like a Virginia, UConn, or Northwestern). I don't see why Bailiff doesn't go with more of a Marshall plan to get to that program-changing status of the AQ. When Boise State was in the WAC, it was years before they scheduled the big dogs during the regular season.
Bailiff could really be the next Gary Patterson but he would do himself a greater service if he followed Patterson's formula to the T. The Bodybag games need to go, imo.
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Well, at least with BoKnows here this offseason won't be nearly as boring as years' past.
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(06-03-2015 06:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Well, at least with BoKnows here this offseason won't be nearly as boring as years' past.

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RE: Bailiff: Can he be the next Gary Patterson?
Well, out of curiosity a few months back when we were talking about signature football wins, I did take a look at Boise St's regular season record and Bo does have a point in that they actually played very few "powerhouse" teams when they were BCS busting in the early 2000's. The best teams they played were mostly PAC-10. Here's a link for anyone to take a look. I know they did play and win against some top 25 teams, but not many names on their schedule stood out to me.

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/BoiseState.htm

Now of course they have the big BCS bowl win against Oklahoma but I feel like since then, they've been getting ducked by the traditional powers during bowl season, including this past year.
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(06-03-2015 07:16 PM)owl95 Wrote:  Now of course they have the big BCS bowl win against Oklahoma but I feel like since then, they've been getting ducked by the traditional powers during bowl season, including this past year.

BoKnows point would apply IF we were in the process of BCS-busting (or whatever the new phrase is). When we get to the point that the country looks at us the way they did early on for Boise or TCU, then maybe we can talk about why we play UT or Baylor.

Gotta love the enthusiasm though. I'll give BoKnows that.

I guess my overall point is that the schedule is not our limiting factor to being a TCU. When we get to the point where good powerhouses are our ONLY losses, then we can consider it. Regardless, this is our chance to put up a heck of a fight against Texas - Im glad we're playing them.
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(06-03-2015 07:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 07:16 PM)owl95 Wrote:  Now of course they have the big BCS bowl win against Oklahoma but I feel like since then, they've been getting ducked by the traditional powers during bowl season, including this past year.

BoKnows point would apply IF we were in the process of BCS-busting (or whatever the new phrase is). When we get to the point that the country looks at us the way they did early on for Boise or TCU, then maybe we can talk about why we play UT or Baylor.

Gotta love the enthusiasm though. I'll give BoKnows that.

I guess my overall point is that the schedule is not our limiting factor to being a TCU. When we get to the point where good powerhouses are our ONLY losses, then we can consider it. Regardless, this is our chance to put up a heck of a fight against Texas - Im glad we're playing them.


I agree with you, we need to win all our games against lesser competition. Running the table against our conference mates would be a good start.

However, if you look at Boise St's opponent list, it doesn't look like Boise St ever tried playing two top 10 teams in a season during early non-conference play(like we did last year). Take their undefeated 2006 season ending with the Fiesta Bowl win against Oklahoma.

8/31 vs. Sacramento State (non-IA) W 45 0
9/7 vs. Oregon State (10-4) W 42 14
9/16 @ Wyoming (6-6) W 17 10
9/23 vs. *Hawaii (11-3) W 41 34
9/30 @ Utah (8-5) W 36 3
10/7 vs. *Louisiana Tech (3-10) W 55 14
10/15 @ *New Mexico State (4-8) W 40 28
10/21 @ *Idaho (4-8) W 42 26
11/1 vs. *Fresno State (4-8) W 45 21
11/11 @ *San Jose State (9-4) W 23 20
11/18 vs. *Utah State (1-11) W 49 10
11/25 @ *Nevada (8-5) W 38 7
1/1 vs. Oklahoma (11-3) W 43 42

I see Oregon State. The rest of their regular schedule was like Marshall's last year. I can see why people were truly shocked that they knocked off Oklahoma, because prior to the bowl game I could see people saying that they hadn't really beaten anyone.

We're not Boise St. I'm not delusional. However, I think there is a larger point here that multiple years(we're talking at least a 5 year consecutive string) of gaudy 10,11,12,13 win seasons along with convincing Bowl wins and conference championships WILL move the needle on national perception, no matter the conference or the schedule.

All that being said, I'm still glad we are playing UT and Baylor next season, and I do like the look of our non-conference opponents for the next several years.
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(06-03-2015 07:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  When we get to the point where good powerhouses are our ONLY losses,

So, would we rather be 10-2, with losses to UT & Baylor, or 10-2, with a win at UT or Baylor and a loss to somebody in the conference?

I vote B.
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(06-03-2015 09:09 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 07:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  When we get to the point where good powerhouses are our ONLY losses,

So, would we rather be 10-2, with losses to UT & Baylor, or 10-2, with a win at UT or Baylor and a loss to somebody in the conference?

I vote B.

Depends on circumstance. If the loss to somebody in the conference is due to a perfect storm - injuries, playing a very good team in conference etc. then I vote B. But if we get b****-slapped 76-31 by someone like Louisiana Tech, then the answer is most definitely A.
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RE: Bailiff: Can he be the next Gary Patterson?
This will be an interesting year and will tell how good a coach Bailiff is. We have a relatively tough schedule this year. We are playing Texas and Baylor away. Texas is beatable if we play flawless football but Baylor is not (Top 10 team). We then play the two best teams in Conference USA, Western Kentucky and Louisiana Tech but fortunately both at home. I think if we play like we do every year, we will be 7-5 at the end of the year but I am hoping 9-3. I think 7-5 would be very disappointing and I am sure Dr K would not be happy. I would say if we go 9-3, Bailiff could be another Gary Patterson but we still need a signature win. Otherwise, it is the same every year and Bailiff time here would be numbered. As you know, the saying in coaching is not what you did in the past is what have you done lately. I am optimistic with Driphus back because he is such a great leader. GO OWLS!
(06-03-2015 09:09 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 07:30 PM)Antarius Wrote:  When we get to the point where good powerhouses are our ONLY losses,
So, would we rather be 10-2, with losses to UT & Baylor, or 10-2, with a win at UT or Baylor and a loss to somebody in the conference?


I vote B.
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For me, Bailiff proved himself to be a good coach when we won CUSA. No matter how slowly it happens, the program continues to grow and strengthen. This season isn't "make or break" for him at all.
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(06-03-2015 10:47 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  For me, Bailiff proved himself to be a good coach when we won CUSA. No matter how slowly it happens, the program continues to grow and strengthen. This season isn't "make or break" for him at all.

And you know this because? Yes, we won CUSA 2 years ago, in the only game we have beaten a Top 75 ranked team in the last 3 years. I'm not going to rehash the same old debate, but in the eyes of at least a number of us, the program has plateaued...and Bailiff needs to prove that he can do better than simply beating teams worse than us an in the bottom quartile of the FBS/BCS level.
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(06-03-2015 11:20 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  and Bailiff needs to prove that he can do better than simply beating teams worse than us an in the bottom quartile of the FBS/BCS level.

That's why I chose "B".
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(06-03-2015 06:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Well, at least with BoKnows here this offseason won't be nearly as boring as years' past.

Is his schtick some sort of slow play
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(06-03-2015 11:20 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 10:47 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  For me, Bailiff proved himself to be a good coach when we won CUSA. No matter how slowly it happens, the program continues to grow and strengthen. This season isn't "make or break" for him at all.

And you know this because? Yes, we won CUSA 2 years ago, in the only game we have beaten a Top 75 ranked team in the last 3 years. I'm not going to rehash the same old debate, but in the eyes of at least a number of us, the program has plateaued...and Bailiff needs to prove that he can do better than simply beating teams worse than us an in the bottom quartile of the FBS/BCS level.

I expected you to disagree with me.
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Does BoKnows know his post is almost troll-like in its ability to strike up discord on this board?
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(06-04-2015 11:47 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Does BoKnows know his post is almost troll-like in its ability to strike up discord on this board?

That's the intent.

(05-21-2015 02:59 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  BoKnows is not a UAB fan. AAC board members say he's the Coog fan previously known as BigEastHomer.
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He can if he petitions the court for a name change.Rimshot
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But if we beat Baylor and/or Texas, Rice would be more noticed than even going undefeated against non P5 teams.

(06-03-2015 06:48 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  I don't get all the excitement over the new coaches at SMU, UH, and Tulsa. IMO, David Bailiff continues to get overlooked for the job he's doing at Rice. He reminds me a lot of Gary Patterson. They both just continue to get the job done, year in and year out, and yet it seems like they never quite get their due. Even as Patterson won BCS bowls, he was continually passed over when the biggest jobs opened up, mainly because he wasn't the most flashy candidate.
I'm excited to watch Bailiff's progression in the revamped CUSA. Rice is going to win A LOT of games. With the present playoff structure that includes that Access Bowl, Bailiff could most definitely emulate a TCU program that was a perennial BCS buster. Marshall just barely missed it last year with Doc, but I think Bailiff has a steady hand. One of the reasons I think Rice is so perfect for the revamped CUSA is that taking that Access Slot would - imo - be a game changer for your athletics department. There is a lot more parity in the AAC and Boise has greater resources than all of the other MWC teams.
My only question would be, isn't it time you stopped playing Texas and Baylor? In their best years, TCU played maybe 1 mid-tier P5 team (like a Virginia, UConn, or Northwestern). I don't see why Bailiff doesn't go with more of a Marshall plan to get to that program-changing status of the AQ. When Boise State was in the WAC, it was years before they scheduled the big dogs during the regular season.
Bailiff could really be the next Gary Patterson but he would do himself a greater service if he followed Patterson's formula to the T. The Bodybag games need to go, imo.
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(06-04-2015 03:14 PM)75src Wrote:  But if we beat Baylor and/or Texas, Rice would be more noticed than even going undefeated against non P5 teams.

I caveat that with needing a great season in addition to beating Baylor and/or Texas. We beat a top 10 ranked Baylor in 1992 but that didn't amount to much for us both program-wise or nationally. We all remember the last UT win as epic, but again the rest of that season fell short and did nothing for the school or the program. If we can pull off a win against Baylor or UT this year, it needs to be attached to a 10 win season, a conference championship and/or bowl win to move the needle.

In the current NCAA environment, we need the Access Bowl to really make an impact. Conference championships and Access Bowls should be the bar to aim for.
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I slightly disagree about 1994. After losing a close game to Tulane we were in the game at K-State then we beat Iowa State on the road, followed by defeating Texas Tech, Texas, SMU and Houston (although I think we won the game at TCU since the referee blew the extra point call). We also lost a very close game at A&M on really the last play of the game. We were two plays away from being 6-1 in the SWC (with only a 19-14 loss to Baylor on the last play of the game). We were very good in 1994 aside from the Texas upset.
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