(06-04-2015 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:35 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  That was not how it was presented by the press. http://www.wvtm13.com/news/city-of-birmi...l/32982088

That was nearly 3 wks ago.

Your point? I believe that was part of the whole "17 Million" pledged. UAB does not need to lose 2.5 million the same week it was brought back. The whole idea was the city was committed to UAB football because it would be detrimental to the city if it was terminated. Pulling this stunt maybe shows the initial decision wasn't as bad as people cried about. If Birmingham is going to back out what will stop the others from backing out of their pledges. Not like it is actually obligated to be paid. If Birmingham is not going to step up, it really looks bad to the #FREEUAB movement.

You guys are finally sniffing the issue here. It is about the corruption in the city of Birmingham, not U.A.B. per se. The state is tired of throwing money to the Birmingham crowd and watching it misspent and doled out to cronies. The state is forced to supply money for city infrastructure that is supposed to support U.A.B. Hospital and Medical Research facilities, fund money for the rent on Legion Field for football, etc. The state continues to pump money into the infrastructure for the research and medical facilities even though the responsibility rests with Birmingham, which they continuously shirk. The state finally got fed up with providing money for the upkeep of Legion Field only to watch one piece of the stadium at a time either get condemned, fail health code inspections, etc. The issue behind the issue of U.A.B. football has been when is enough enough from the taxpayers of the state with regards not to one of our universities but with regards to dealing with crooks in city government. If U.A.B. were located in Mobile or Huntsville, or practically anywhere else in Alabama, it would not have faced what it is facing. I'm sorry it is affecting U.A.B. alums and students, but it is not really an issue pertaining to their sports or even their perceived lack of support for football. It is foremost about the state losing close to 23 million a year to the city of Birmingham.

And there is your answer

freeuab really means uab wants it for free.

As one researcher at uab put it ...the spiral to mediocrity continues at uab the majority of top level talent has been drained off.


More bread and circuses in a state thats already funding enough to balance the budget of a small country

Bham is a clusterfrick

$25 million from JPMorgan for a UAB stadium? Commissioner has no problem asking

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....ed_stories

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...cart_river

UAB AD Mark Ingram says 2017 football return 'more ideal' than 2016

UAB has no intentions of spending time in the Football Championship Series (FCS) level and plans to stay at Football Bowl Series (FBS), according to Ingram, but will need to decide when it wants to return to that level. Once UAB chooses its return date, it will be able to determine its strategies for recruiting, staffing, scheduling and everything else that comes with the rebuilding process. In order to stay at the FBS-level, UAB will need 76 scholarship players on its roster based on a two-year rolling average.

(06-04-2015 01:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...cart_river

UAB AD Mark Ingram says 2017 football return 'more ideal' than 2016

UAB has no intentions of spending time in the Football Championship Series (FCS) level and plans to stay at Football Bowl Series (FBS), according to Ingram, but will need to decide when it wants to return to that level. Once UAB chooses its return date, it will be able to determine its strategies for recruiting, staffing, scheduling and everything else that comes with the rebuilding process. In order to stay at the FBS-level, UAB will need 76 scholarship players on its roster based on a two-year rolling average.

While they intend to stay FBS, I wonder if CUSA will want to wait till 2017? Sound like they are in contact with CUSA and I think they want them possibly in 2016 per this quote.
"But if we found out through various channels that playing in (2016) was our only option, that's what we'll do."

The longer it takes to get a team on the field, the more those 'pledges' become just words and not real money.

(06-03-2015 05:41 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....ounci.html

I am sure a deal could be reached...money sheparded to the "Citizens" and "Community".

Pure comedy.

UA Huntsville should demand s team. If broke arse bham can afford one Huntsville deserves a team too

you may have summed it up JR. But when you have someone like Bear Bryant Jr who seems to be an influential figure in all this drama, it reinforces the perception that there is more at play than just wanting to stop corruption and the throwing away of money in Birmingham. It also looks like he is conducting a personal vendetta against UAB. He hasn't really gotten over the claims Gene Bartow threw at his father.

(06-04-2015 03:08 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  you may have summed it up JR. But when you have someone like Bear Bryant Jr who seems to be an influential figure in all this drama, it reinforces the perception that there is more at play than just wanting to stop corruption and the throwing away of money in Birmingham. It also looks like he is conducting a personal vendetta against UAB. He hasn't really gotten over the claims Gene Bartow threw at his father.

No, Paul Jr's issue is simply business. He is part owner in a horse track near Birmingham. His ax in this would be to tidy up alternatives to going to the track, while detracting from those in Birmingham who would love to leach off of his project. Paul Jr, is in the same crowd that lobbies some of our governors to go after dog tracks which they see as competition to their endeavor. The politics involved here has little to do with the University of Alabama, it's sports programs, or the Medical School at U.A.B., but has a great deal to do with political rivals, old problems with the cronies in Birmingham, and the state's budget crunch. The budget crunch is real and provides "the political horse to ride" that helps the rival factions wage economic warfare with each other. Unfortunately for U.A.B. everyone who lives in that part of the state is painfully aware of the truth with the issues I raised in the earlier post. So as with much in politics, some of the unrighteous have attached themselves to a righteous issue, but for unholy gains. In that much I cast a wary eye toward Paul, Jr. and buddies.

What a **** show...

Wants cake, wants to eat cake too, doesn't wanna pay for cake...

(06-04-2015 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No, Paul Jr's issue is simply business. He is part owner in a horse track near Birmingham. His ax in this would be to tidy up alternatives to going to the track, while detracting from those in Birmingham who would love to leach off of his project. Paul Jr, is in the same crowd that lobbies some of our governors to go after dog tracks which they see as competition to their endeavor.

The horse track closed in 1991 (24 years ago). Junior was not an owner; the Thompson family were the majority shareholders. His partner, Milton McGregor, bought it out of bankruptcy in 1992 and converted it to greyhounds - McGregor and Junior were heavily involved in dog racing (most definitely NOT lobbying governors to "go after dog tracks"). Junior remains involved in a number of dog tracks via his Greene Group holding company, but he and Milton parted business ways some years ago though Junior's close Trustee ally, Joe Espy, is Milton's attorney.

Before doing too much of a happy dance over the city council spat, msm and others might want to read this:

http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/ne...ml?ana=twt

(06-04-2015 06:18 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  No, Paul Jr's issue is simply business. He is part owner in a horse track near Birmingham. His ax in this would be to tidy up alternatives to going to the track, while detracting from those in Birmingham who would love to leach off of his project. Paul Jr, is in the same crowd that lobbies some of our governors to go after dog tracks which they see as competition to their endeavor.

The horse track closed in 1991 (24 years ago). Junior was not an owner; the Thompson family were the majority shareholders. His partner, Milton McGregor, bought it out of bankruptcy in 1992 and converted it to greyhounds - McGregor and Junior were heavily involved in dog racing (most definitely NOT lobbying governors to "go after dog tracks"). Junior remains involved in a number of dog tracks via his Greene Group holding company, but he and Milton parted business ways some years ago though Junior's close Trustee ally, Joe Espy, is Milton's attorney.

Before doing too much of a happy dance over the city council spat, msm and others might want to read this:

http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/ne...ml?ana=twt

I could see business leaders start getting involved to help local universities to be more attractive. The number one school that could get local support from big shots could be Stony Brook. If Stony Brook get a lot of pledges from all those business folks to help them upgrade their facilities, and build an FBS level stadium? Stony Brook could get into the Big 10 faster.
Memphis have a backer or the CEO of FedEx offering a reward for a P5 conference to add Memphis into the conference. Since money talks? Could he raise the reward enough for lets say a Big 12 can split like a $20 million 10 ways to accept Memphis? This would give the low schools like Iowa State some more money to try and improve their facilities and all that.
This could be start of a trend.

(06-03-2015 08:23 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  let UAB fb rest in peace....really

Nope.

(06-04-2015 02:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  UA Huntsville should demand s team. If broke arse bham can afford one Huntsville deserves a team too

Unlike our neighbors to the rural southwest, If UAH decided to field a team, I wouldn't try my damnedest to stop them.

(06-04-2015 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:35 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  That was not how it was presented by the press. http://www.wvtm13.com/news/city-of-birmi...l/32982088

That was nearly 3 wks ago.

Your point? I believe that was part of the whole "17 Million" pledged. UAB does not need to lose 2.5 million the same week it was brought back. The whole idea was the city was committed to UAB football because it would be detrimental to the city if it was terminated. Pulling this stunt maybe shows the initial decision wasn't as bad as people cried about. If Birmingham is going to back out what will stop the others from backing out of their pledges. Not like it is actually obligated to be paid. If Birmingham is not going to step up, it really looks bad to the #FREEUAB movement.

You guys are finally sniffing the issue here. It is about the corruption in the city of Birmingham, not U.A.B. per se. The state is tired of throwing money to the Birmingham crowd and watching it misspent and doled out to cronies. The state is forced to supply money for city infrastructure that is supposed to support U.A.B. Hospital and Medical Research facilities, fund money for the rent on Legion Field for football, etc. The state continues to pump money into the infrastructure for the research and medical facilities even though the responsibility rests with Birmingham, which they continuously shirk. The state finally got fed up with providing money for the upkeep of Legion Field only to watch one piece of the stadium at a time either get condemned, fail health code inspections, etc. The issue behind the issue of U.A.B. football has been when is enough enough from the taxpayers of the state with regards not to one of our universities but with regards to dealing with crooks in city government. If U.A.B. were located in Mobile or Huntsville, or practically anywhere else in Alabama, it would not have faced what it is facing. I'm sorry it is affecting U.A.B. alums and students, but it is not really an issue pertaining to their sports or even their perceived lack of support for football. It is foremost about the state losing close to 23 million a year to the city of Birmingham.

And there is your answer

freeuab really means uab wants it for free.

As one researcher at uab put it ...the spiral to mediocrity continues at uab the majority of top level talent has been drained off.


More bread and circuses in a state thats already funding enough to balance the budget of a small country

Bham is a clusterfrick

...said the Memphis fan.

(06-05-2015 07:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 02:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  UA Huntsville should demand s team. If broke arse bham can afford one Huntsville deserves a team too

Unlike our neighbors to the rural southwest, If UAH decided to field a team, I wouldn't try my damnedest to stop them.

It might kill Alabama A&M out right. These southern states have been thinking on merging all these HBCUs into other schools. Could Alabama A&M be merged with UAH and change the name from UAH to Huntsville A&M? UAH would inherit Alabama A&M's sports including football. Could they be made D1 when merged? Or do they have to reclassified again to be D1?

Mississippi lawmakers are thinking of merging Alcorn State and Mississippi Valley State into Jackson State. And then the Louisiana lawmakers want to merge all the FCS schools into the bigger schools. Only McNeese State could survive.

(06-05-2015 07:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:35 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  That was nearly 3 wks ago.

Your point? I believe that was part of the whole "17 Million" pledged. UAB does not need to lose 2.5 million the same week it was brought back. The whole idea was the city was committed to UAB football because it would be detrimental to the city if it was terminated. Pulling this stunt maybe shows the initial decision wasn't as bad as people cried about. If Birmingham is going to back out what will stop the others from backing out of their pledges. Not like it is actually obligated to be paid. If Birmingham is not going to step up, it really looks bad to the #FREEUAB movement.

You guys are finally sniffing the issue here. It is about the corruption in the city of Birmingham, not U.A.B. per se. The state is tired of throwing money to the Birmingham crowd and watching it misspent and doled out to cronies. The state is forced to supply money for city infrastructure that is supposed to support U.A.B. Hospital and Medical Research facilities, fund money for the rent on Legion Field for football, etc. The state continues to pump money into the infrastructure for the research and medical facilities even though the responsibility rests with Birmingham, which they continuously shirk. The state finally got fed up with providing money for the upkeep of Legion Field only to watch one piece of the stadium at a time either get condemned, fail health code inspections, etc. The issue behind the issue of U.A.B. football has been when is enough enough from the taxpayers of the state with regards not to one of our universities but with regards to dealing with crooks in city government. If U.A.B. were located in Mobile or Huntsville, or practically anywhere else in Alabama, it would not have faced what it is facing. I'm sorry it is affecting U.A.B. alums and students, but it is not really an issue pertaining to their sports or even their perceived lack of support for football. It is foremost about the state losing close to 23 million a year to the city of Birmingham.

And there is your answer

freeuab really means uab wants it for free.

As one researcher at uab put it ...the spiral to mediocrity continues at uab the majority of top level talent has been drained off.


More bread and circuses in a state thats already funding enough to balance the budget of a small country

Bham is a clusterfrick

...said the Memphis fan.

Says a 5th generation alabamian born in Birmingham

(06-05-2015 09:06 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 07:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Your point? I believe that was part of the whole "17 Million" pledged. UAB does not need to lose 2.5 million the same week it was brought back. The whole idea was the city was committed to UAB football because it would be detrimental to the city if it was terminated. Pulling this stunt maybe shows the initial decision wasn't as bad as people cried about. If Birmingham is going to back out what will stop the others from backing out of their pledges. Not like it is actually obligated to be paid. If Birmingham is not going to step up, it really looks bad to the #FREEUAB movement.

You guys are finally sniffing the issue here. It is about the corruption in the city of Birmingham, not U.A.B. per se. The state is tired of throwing money to the Birmingham crowd and watching it misspent and doled out to cronies. The state is forced to supply money for city infrastructure that is supposed to support U.A.B. Hospital and Medical Research facilities, fund money for the rent on Legion Field for football, etc. The state continues to pump money into the infrastructure for the research and medical facilities even though the responsibility rests with Birmingham, which they continuously shirk. The state finally got fed up with providing money for the upkeep of Legion Field only to watch one piece of the stadium at a time either get condemned, fail health code inspections, etc. The issue behind the issue of U.A.B. football has been when is enough enough from the taxpayers of the state with regards not to one of our universities but with regards to dealing with crooks in city government. If U.A.B. were located in Mobile or Huntsville, or practically anywhere else in Alabama, it would not have faced what it is facing. I'm sorry it is affecting U.A.B. alums and students, but it is not really an issue pertaining to their sports or even their perceived lack of support for football. It is foremost about the state losing close to 23 million a year to the city of Birmingham.

And there is your answer

freeuab really means uab wants it for free.

As one researcher at uab put it ...the spiral to mediocrity continues at uab the majority of top level talent has been drained off.


More bread and circuses in a state thats already funding enough to balance the budget of a small country

Bham is a clusterfrick

...said the Memphis fan.

Says a 5th generation alabamian born in Birmingham

You know, the rest of Alabama has hated Birmingham so much for so long it has succeeded in getting Birmingham to hate itself.

What a sad, sad person you are.

(06-05-2015 09:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 09:06 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 07:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  You guys are finally sniffing the issue here. It is about the corruption in the city of Birmingham, not U.A.B. per se. The state is tired of throwing money to the Birmingham crowd and watching it misspent and doled out to cronies. The state is forced to supply money for city infrastructure that is supposed to support U.A.B. Hospital and Medical Research facilities, fund money for the rent on Legion Field for football, etc. The state continues to pump money into the infrastructure for the research and medical facilities even though the responsibility rests with Birmingham, which they continuously shirk. The state finally got fed up with providing money for the upkeep of Legion Field only to watch one piece of the stadium at a time either get condemned, fail health code inspections, etc. The issue behind the issue of U.A.B. football has been when is enough enough from the taxpayers of the state with regards not to one of our universities but with regards to dealing with crooks in city government. If U.A.B. were located in Mobile or Huntsville, or practically anywhere else in Alabama, it would not have faced what it is facing. I'm sorry it is affecting U.A.B. alums and students, but it is not really an issue pertaining to their sports or even their perceived lack of support for football. It is foremost about the state losing close to 23 million a year to the city of Birmingham.

And there is your answer

freeuab really means uab wants it for free.

As one researcher at uab put it ...the spiral to mediocrity continues at uab the majority of top level talent has been drained off.


More bread and circuses in a state thats already funding enough to balance the budget of a small country

Bham is a clusterfrick

...said the Memphis fan.

Says a 5th generation alabamian born in Birmingham

You know, the rest of Alabama has hated Birmingham so much for so long it has succeeded in getting Birmingham to hate itself.

What a sad, sad person you are.

I'm not sad I don't live in bham and never will. It's sad watching a city that was once a nice place to live circle the toilet while draining resources from an otherwise thriving state

(06-05-2015 07:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 07:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 02:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  UA Huntsville should demand s team. If broke arse bham can afford one Huntsville deserves a team too

Unlike our neighbors to the rural southwest, If UAH decided to field a team, I wouldn't try my damnedest to stop them.

It might kill Alabama A&M out right. These southern states have been thinking on merging all these HBCUs into other schools. Could Alabama A&M be merged with UAH and change the name from UAH to Huntsville A&M? UAH would inherit Alabama A&M's sports including football. Could they be made D1 when merged? Or do they have to reclassified again to be D1?

Mississippi lawmakers are thinking of merging Alcorn State and Mississippi Valley State into Jackson State. And then the Louisiana lawmakers want to merge all the FCS schools into the bigger schools. Only McNeese State could survive.

Not sure how UAH adding football would effect A&M in the least bit, especially from a fan interest standpoint.