Torian Graham has announced he is following Bobby Hurley to Arizona State. Graham was a 4 star recruit out of high school in 2012 that originally committed to NC State twice before going the JUCO route for 2 years.

Arizona State is Graham's 3rd college in 7 months having left Houston in mid November without ever playing and then transferring to Buffalo and sitting out the remainder of the season. Unless granted an exception by the NCAA Graham will have to sit out all of next season as well and then will have 1 year of eligibility left in '16-'17.

Fairwell Torian Graham, we hardly knew ye.

(06-03-2015 12:21 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Torian Graham has announced he is following Bobby Hurley to Arizona State. Graham was a 4 star recruit out of high school in 2012 that originally committed to NC State twice before going the JUCO route for 2 years.

Arizona State is Graham's 3rd college in 7 months having left Houston in mid November without ever playing and then transferring to Buffalo and sitting out the remainder of the season. Unless granted an exception by the NCAA Graham will have to sit out all of next season as well and then will have 1 year of eligibility left in '16-'17.

Fairwell Torian Graham, we hardly knew ye.

He'll have plenty of time to concentrate on academics...

Seems like a foolish move to spend most of one's career sitting out...

Arizona St. should be a favorite to win the MAC Title in 2016-17.

Hurley built a solid team in Buffalo and now he is taking it with him. I doubt if Moss can repeat his MVP performance without a strong supporting cast.

No surprise there.

(06-03-2015 09:18 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Hurley built a solid team in Buffalo and now he is taking it with him. I doubt if Moss can repeat his MVP performance without a strong supporting cast.

Two of the three guys he is taking never played for us. Shannon was a good player and it is never easy to replace your second leading scorer, but I think we will be just fine. Bearden will need to step up this year and Skeete will need to be a reliable threat from beyond the arc, but we have some solid JUCO kids coming in that Coach Oats was able to get once he got the job.

(06-03-2015 04:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  He'll have plenty of time to concentrate on academics...

Seems like a foolish move to spend most of one's career sitting out...

I'm thinking he must not want to play basketball too much.

(06-03-2015 10:23 AM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 04:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  He'll have plenty of time to concentrate on academics...

Seems like a foolish move to spend most of one's career sitting out...

I'm thinking he must not want to play basketball too much.

Maybe ASU academics will be the key to his life's fulfillment?

ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

(06-04-2015 06:46 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

So you expect Hurley to identify, build a relationship with, and sign high level recruits in less than 2 months, at the very end of the recruiting season?

(06-04-2015 06:46 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

They are the favorites to land 5* freak Thon Maker. I'd say he's doing ok so far.

http://247sports.com/Player/Thon-Maker-20987

(06-04-2015 12:47 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 06:46 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

So you expect Hurley to identify, build a relationship with, and sign high level recruits in less than 2 months, at the very end of the recruiting season?

Why shouldn't he?

Why was he was hired?

Isn't that what a HC should be doing 365 a year?

And do you think he doesn't know others who know a potential talented prospect that would either know of or come to appreciate his pedigree and resume?

He should be out utilizing those assets and doing so in spades.

"Signing" a kid like Graham with 1 year left after needing to sit out again tells me he feels he needs to take him.

(06-04-2015 08:12 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 12:47 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 06:46 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

So you expect Hurley to identify, build a relationship with, and sign high level recruits in less than 2 months, at the very end of the recruiting season?

Why shouldn't he?

Why was he was hired?

Isn't that what a HC should be doing 365 a year?

And do you think he doesn't know others who know a potential talented prospect that would either know of or come to appreciate his pedigree and resume?

He should be out utilizing those assets and doing so in spades.

"Signing" a kid like Graham with 1 year left after needing to sit out again tells me he feels he needs to take him.

-He was hired to build a winning program, that doesn't happen in 60 days.

- Yes, a HC should be recruiting 365 days a year. In case you missed it, until 60 days ago he was recruiting MAC level talent.

- No, I don't think he knows others who know of a potential talented prospect that can play this fall and is still available. Number of ESPN top 100 recruits still available- ZERO. Number of rivals top 150 recruits still available- ZERO. If you've got of list of impressive recruits waiting to be signed IN JUNE then I'd like to see it.

- This scrub transfer that you are so unimpressed with was a 4 star recruit out of HS with offers from BC, Indiana, Georgetown, NC State, Clemson, UMass, Miami, Nebraska, Rutgers, Xavier and others. He's now the highest rated recruit on Arizona State's team. In less than 2 months Hurley landed a better player than the program has seen in at least the past 3 years.

But that's not good enough for you? ok.

(06-05-2015 12:29 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 08:12 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 12:47 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 06:46 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  ASU must really be struggling in recruiting if this is the route Hurley is going out of the box. Old wrinkled shirts. Not able to close the deal with his Dukedom on some new and finer threads. Telling?

So you expect Hurley to identify, build a relationship with, and sign high level recruits in less than 2 months, at the very end of the recruiting season?

Why shouldn't he?

Why was he was hired?

Isn't that what a HC should be doing 365 a year?

And do you think he doesn't know others who know a potential talented prospect that would either know of or come to appreciate his pedigree and resume?

He should be out utilizing those assets and doing so in spades.

"Signing" a kid like Graham with 1 year left after needing to sit out again tells me he feels he needs to take him.

-He was hired to build a winning program, that doesn't happen in 60 days.

- Yes, a HC should be recruiting 365 days a year. In case you missed it, until 60 days ago he was recruiting MAC level talent.

- No, I don't think he knows others who know of a potential talented prospect that can play this fall and is still available. Number of ESPN top 100 recruits still available- ZERO. Number of rivals top 150 recruits still available- ZERO. If you've got of list of impressive recruits waiting to be signed IN JUNE then I'd like to see it.

- This scrub transfer that you are so unimpressed with was a 4 star recruit out of HS with offers from BC, Indiana, Georgetown, NC State, Clemson, UMass, Miami, Nebraska, Rutgers, Xavier and others. He's now the highest rated recruit on Arizona State's team. In less than 2 months Hurley landed a better player than the program has seen in at least the past 3 years.

But that's not good enough for you? ok.

My initial comment simply indicated that taking a kid like Graham with his multiple destinations and needing to sit out a 2nd time leaving him with only 1 year to play doesn't jive with your point of "time" needed. Talent aside the kid wont play next year and IF he sticks around he will only play 1 year. If his "reported" talent is far superior to what Sendek had recruited wouldn't you expect that? Herb was fired because they didn't win enough.

But building a winning program starts day 1, starting with the commitment of the administration and hiring the right HC. Done

HC's reputation should proceed oneself so that a relationship can be jump started and not just be dependent on long range long term objectives. Done.

A talent like Hurley doesn't just recruit the talent for "their level". Human nature dictates you almost never achieve your objective unless you set the bar low. Calipari doesn't recruit SEC talent. He recruits NBA talent. When the dust settles those not at that level sit and or transfer. You may think Hurley only recruited MAC talent as you define but he hasn't and isn't limited in his thinking by smaller minds. He was always looking for better talent. Done

I understand that 60 doesn't equal 365. You interjected playing "next year" as a criteria. I didn't. You assumed HS talent, I didn't. There are transfer candidates out there. JUCO's. Foreigners. There are kids who have re-classified from '15 to '16 going off to prep school who with the new hires (one of several triggers) are re-classifying back to '15 , committing and now playing next fall (to fit your perspective). A host of talent available. No, not the same talent pool of an upcoming class, obviously.

Hurley should do fine in time. With his gravitas that others can't and don't share I expected him to not be settling for someone he already had in storage.

I'll say it again, where are all of these big time recruits that are still available in June that Hurley is not recruiting? Name one.

(06-05-2015 08:02 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I'll say it again, where are all of these big time recruits that are still available in June that Hurley is not recruiting? Name one.

Now you're making excuses.

Eagle Sam referenced one. Is one enough or is a big time recruit another sweeping generalization moving target to support your legless argument?

It's June 5. Hurley was hired April 10. More bodies on the board then.

If next year was important then a Juco, or Max Beifelt out of Michigan or another grad eligible or another disaffected HS recruit who's fall choice of HC was canned or moved. Marcus Lovett, the 2nd rated player in Illinois commits to St. John's on May 20. Plenty of opportunities. Has to me more than a former 4 star who has bounced around that wont be eligible until the fall of 2016 and for only 1 year.

Ok, so then, Mr moving target, if next year is not important than why are you freaking out that he hasn't closed a deal in 60 days?

(06-06-2015 02:19 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Ok, so then, Mr moving target, if next year is not important than why are you freaking out that he hasn't closed a deal in 60 days?

Next year is important. Why settle for another kid who needs to sit yet another year and all for 1 year of eligibility. Where are the immediately eligible recruits like I referenced?

Most would think, who are in the know, that Freaking Bobby Hurley with his name recognition, family tree, Dukedom and all the other trappings would have little trouble jump starting a relationship or parlaying his pedigree/resume into not settling for a well traveled and stickered steamer trunk that hasn't delivered yet and expiration date is short lived.

(06-06-2015 08:52 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 02:19 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Ok, so then, Mr moving target, if next year is not important than why are you freaking out that he hasn't closed a deal in 60 days?

Next year is important. Why settle for another kid who needs to sit yet another year and all for 1 year of eligibility. Where are the immediately eligible recruits like I referenced?

Most would think, who are in the know, that Freaking Bobby Hurley with his name recognition, family tree, Dukedom and all the other trappings would have little trouble jump starting a relationship or parlaying his pedigree/resume into not settling for a well traveled and stickered steamer trunk that hasn't delivered yet and expiration date is short lived.

Why settle for a kid that needs to sit next year? Because its June and you only have 3 players on scholarship. Having a 4 star player on the practice squad will benefit the rest of the team.

You keep mentioning all of these high level recruits that are eligible that he's not signing. WHO?? WHERE?? The one that was listed, Thon Maker, has an offer from every major school in the country and ASU is already on his short list! Duh. I mean c'mon, use your brain.

(06-06-2015 10:10 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 08:52 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 02:19 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Ok, so then, Mr moving target, if next year is not important than why are you freaking out that he hasn't closed a deal in 60 days?

Next year is important. Why settle for another kid who needs to sit yet another year and all for 1 year of eligibility. Where are the immediately eligible recruits like I referenced?

Most would think, who are in the know, that Freaking Bobby Hurley with his name recognition, family tree, Dukedom and all the other trappings would have little trouble jump starting a relationship or parlaying his pedigree/resume into not settling for a well traveled and stickered steamer trunk that hasn't delivered yet and expiration date is short lived.

Why settle for a kid that needs to sit next year? Because its June and you only have 3 players on scholarship. Having a 4 star player on the practice squad will benefit the rest of the team.

You keep mentioning all of these high level recruits that are eligible that he's not signing. WHO?? WHERE?? The one that was listed, Thon Maker, has an offer from every major school in the country and ASU is already on his short list! Duh. I mean c'mon, use your brain.

Never hinted that the talent pool for the class of '15 was as deep on April 5, 2015 when Hurley was hired as 4/5/14. You use the term "all" implying depth. Your term, not mine. Live with it.

The fact remains and it was my point: Hurley's cache should speak volumes and in that time he should be in the mix to sign eligible bodies. Throw Maker out, not a talent I even suggested, but you asked for 1, EMU Sam gave it and you quit. Asked for more. I gave you some names that didn't have offers from every big time program and you capitulate yet again.

With only 3 scholarship players, (your point) BH is in need of eligible players, not just practice players. Thank you for making my point.