(06-03-2015 10:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:53 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

As I mentioned my fear about UCF is that the Big XII can expand into two major conference footprints in Florida, ACC and SEC.

But Memphis and Cincy really make the most sense geographically.

Bowsby on what will be looked at IF expansion --- ..."It’s certainly about TV sets. It’s certainly about recruiting. It’s certainly about the possibility of competitive implications in all of our sports, but particularly our high-profile sports."

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...to-expand/

BTW -- in that last I read "high-profile sports" to include Big 12 basketball ---

our geographical location in SEC recruiting territory means more than our #50 TV market size, IMO

(06-03-2015 09:34 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

Is that the word at TennStud's hot tub?

No it's the world of reality that we live in. When we "by gosh finally did it" by getting in the BigEast many of us were blasted for predicting the coming implosion. Then a few months later, before we ever played a game in the BigEast, Boom, outta here. Hello American!

No surprise seeing who is taking the bait.

LMAO

(06-03-2015 09:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. If they go PAC12 or BIG their travel is astronomical. They are in a really small footprint right now. If they go SEC, they don't gain much and they aren't the big kids on the block anymore. That's huge.

They are legacy Big XII and all of this talk is about making sure they don't miss out on another playoff spot.

Texas isn't giving up $20 million per year to go anywhere.

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 11:36 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I get so nervous when I see UCF mentioned. UCF penetrates two markets, the SEC and ACC.

Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

(06-03-2015 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. If they go PAC12 or BIG their travel is astronomical. They are in a really small footprint right now. If they go SEC, they don't gain much and they aren't the big kids on the block anymore. That's huge.

They are legacy Big XII and all of this talk is about making sure they don't miss out on another playoff spot.

Texas isn't giving up $20 million per year to go anywhere.

Who am I supposed to believe, you guys or the man who knows more about Memphis sports than anybody on Earth?

(06-03-2015 11:17 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. If they go PAC12 or BIG their travel is astronomical. They are in a really small footprint right now. If they go SEC, they don't gain much and they aren't the big kids on the block anymore. That's huge.

They are legacy Big XII and all of this talk is about making sure they don't miss out on another playoff spot.

Texas isn't giving up $20 million per year to go anywhere.

Who am I supposed to believe, you guys or the man who knows more about Memphis sports than anybody on Earth?

Comes from years of messaging TennStud's back fat --

(06-03-2015 11:44 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:17 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. If they go PAC12 or BIG their travel is astronomical. They are in a really small footprint right now. If they go SEC, they don't gain much and they aren't the big kids on the block anymore. That's huge.

They are legacy Big XII and all of this talk is about making sure they don't miss out on another playoff spot.

Texas isn't giving up $20 million per year to go anywhere.

Who am I supposed to believe, you guys or the man who knows more about Memphis sports than anybody on Earth?

Comes from years of messaging TennStud's back fat --

He has suffered that we might be informed.

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

After that there would be some obscure rule that would force them to change the name and the president would insist on something like "the great American conference", or "the conference of America" it will have to be something that sounds stupid and generic. That is based in our luck to date.

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 11:36 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I get so nervous when I see UCF mentioned. UCF penetrates two markets, the SEC and ACC.

Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

I don't want to sound naive, but these schools currently get paid over 20 mil per year. Why would that put the greatest weight in adding a new school in the fact that each sports team might have to travel an extra 500-800 miles 1 time per year or every two years. It just sounds like wishful thinking.

(06-03-2015 11:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:12 AM)btiger Wrote:  doesn't matter. if we get in texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state and kansas will all leave. then they'll add smu, ecu, Tulane, and Tulsa

voila, cusa 3.0

I don't think Texas and Oklahoma are going anywhere. If they go PAC12 or BIG their travel is astronomical. They are in a really small footprint right now. If they go SEC, they don't gain much and they aren't the big kids on the block anymore. That's huge.

They are legacy Big XII and all of this talk is about making sure they don't miss out on another playoff spot.

Texas isn't giving up $20 million per year to go anywhere.

The sec schools just got over 30 mil each. You saying they wouldn't give up 20 mil for 30 mil????

Texas is making over 38

Base plus LHN

(06-03-2015 12:10 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

I don't want to sound naive, but these schools currently get paid over 20 mil per year. Why would that put the greatest weight in adding a new school in the fact that each sports team might have to travel an extra 500-800 miles 1 time per year or every two years. It just sounds like wishful thinking.

Big 12 leadership is comprised of a bunch of visionless idiots.

Big 12 TV Contract - $230 million/10 teams
$23 million per team

Estimated Revenue From CCG - $30-50 million
$260 million/12 teams
$21.7 million per team @ $30 million

+ a much better chance at getting a team in the playoffs every year, which adds even more revenue
+ reduced travel costs across the board for all teams

Average distance to Memphis - 596 miles
Average distance to Orlando - 1,208 miles

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Football
Basketball
Women's basketball
Baseball
Softball
Volleyball
Golf
Tennis

There are virtually no opponents between most of the Big 12 and West Virginia and UCF. To put this into perspective, If UCF gets in, Texas has to run a 5,070 mile round trip to play UCF and West Virginia, with no other programs in between. If Memphis gets in, Texas can play Memphis and West Virginia and travel a total of 2,050 miles. That is a 3,000 mile difference for 1 school and 1 sports team from that school.

By adding Memphis and Cincinnati, and factoring in all of the sports teams at every school, you would be literally cutting down hundreds of thousands of miles of travel.

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 11:36 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I get so nervous when I see UCF mentioned. UCF penetrates two markets, the SEC and ACC.

Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

Did West Virginia make sense?

Just add 4 and be done
MEM
UC
BYU
UCF

go Tigers!!

(06-03-2015 01:41 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  Just add 4 and be done
MEM
UC
BYU
UCF

go Tigers!!

Put UCF and BYU in the same division.

(06-03-2015 01:38 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

Did West Virginia make sense?

Looking back, anyone with common sense knew that they should have taken Louisville. It took a while, but even the Big 12 knows this now.

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 11:36 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  I get so nervous when I see UCF mentioned. UCF penetrates two markets, the SEC and ACC.

Not that the B12 is even going to expand, but UCF simply creates another geographic island, especially since UC would likely be first choice. Same with BYU. IF they ever expand, we would have a good shot, IMO.

I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

Damn. UCF is 1,000 miles from everywhere...........

(06-03-2015 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 01:38 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 09:47 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 08:43 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  I agree, Memphis and Cincinnati make sense given the West Virginia island and UCF creates another one

Also concerned about UCF because of the expanded recruiting they bring. Granted, Memphis also bring new recruiting and TV to the Big 12 but I wonder if we compare well to Orlando in either.

UCF doesn't make sense.

Memphis
474 Oklahoma
476 Oklahoma State
480 Cincinnati
497 TCU
548 Waco
560 Kansas
640 Kansas State
647 Texas
662 Iowa State
756 West Virginia
817 Texas Tech

UCF
912 Cincinnati
919 West Virginia
1,126 TCU
1,132 Austin
1,172 Waco
1,279 Oklahoma
1,295 Kansas
1,304 Oklahoma State
1,376 Kansas State
1,433 Iowa State
1,443 Texas Tech

Did West Virginia make sense?

Looking back, anyone with common sense knew that they should have taken Louisville. It took a while, but even the Big 12 knows this now.

The disappointing thing is that I think that Louisville would probably be in favor of us and Cincy if Louisville were in the Big XII instead of the ACC.

Those guys always get the breaks. They "lost out" to West Virginia and ended up in a better fit in the ACC.

What could have been?

Baylor
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Louisville
Memphis
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech