Astate's AD have an interview today and stated expansion could happen within 30-45 days. I'm 99% convinced that Liberty isn't an option, but what if Coastal is? What if Coastal moves all sorts to the SB and is given 3 years to get their football in order (fan support, build a new stadium) I see that being the ultimate slap in the face to take a team that is no where near ready for FBS in Coastal.
Another thought, if we're frustrated by this as alumni and or fans, can you imagine the frustrations Barber and Jerry Jr. must be feeling. To work so hard to put everything in order and to have the beach chickens and eku jump ahead of you in the race to FBS. This may be the last straw and what will push Liberty into letigation.

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I didn't listen to the interview but I did see that they want to announce expansion in 30-45 days. If it us then that's awesome and I'll celebrate like crazy. If not, I will almost have to say let's ask the NCAA for independence.

Coastal is a fine school. I don't have any problems with them and I do see potential there for an FBS school. I enjoy and hate our rivalry. I would still wish to play against them as non-conference foes. But I just don't see why they would have an overall better FBS package than us, and especially not EKU. Conferences can invite whoever they want. I think we'll one day be at the top of the food chain and the conferences who passed us up will be wishing they had not.

Agree with both your points. If Coastal is selected ahead of LU, we can expect LU to proceed with indy in short, due time. The NCAA would be crazy not to allow LU that path if LU makes it's intention clearly stated. If no foreseeable FBS invite appears likely, LU will be pushed into making that their path. I do remember when we were indy in FCS and the ease of scheduling that can when LU joined the BSC. But LU has developed beyond what the BSC can offer on the FCS level.

Let's all hope that we get the invite by any means possible. I also will be very happy with an invite from the SBC or C-USA. In time, LU will graduate beyond those conferences like it has the Big South.

For now, we're trying to gain entry into the good ole boys country club that has the air of we don't want you because you are different. Who gives a rats behind when it's Saturday and play and discussion is between the lines rather than on the clicks of a keyboard.

An invite would be so much easier. Let's hope it comes.

(06-02-2015 07:08 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I didn't listen to the interview but I did see that they want to announce expansion in 30-45 days. If it us then that's awesome and I'll celebrate like crazy. If not, I will almost have to say let's ask the NCAA for independence.

Coastal is a fine school. I don't have any problems with them and I do see potential there for an FBS school. I enjoy and hate our rivalry. I would still wish to play against them as non-conference foes. But I just don't see why they would have an overall better FBS package than us, and especially not EKU. Conferences can invite whoever they want. I think we'll one day be at the top of the food chain and the conferences who passed us up will be wishing they had not.

Coastal doesn't have a better package than you guys. Lets be clear here. What is killing you guys is being a private school. (Not the Politics involved, pay no attention to those trolls) Basically, you guys have an even greater ability to raise money and come up with funds than even any of us can offer. It offers recruiting and competitive advantages in the end. There's just no one in the league that wants to invite a Private School unless we have too.

Well...Coastal does offer Myrtle Beach. I admit, that's a pretty sweet part of the deal.

Coastal is a great location for sure.

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Funny that I start a thread asking if Coastal can afford fbs. After 800 views in just a few hours it gets locked.

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(06-03-2015 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Coastal doesn't have a better package than you guys. Lets be clear here. What is killing you guys is being a private school. (Not the Politics involved, pay no attention to those trolls) Basically, you guys have an even greater ability to raise money and come up with funds than even any of us can offer. It offers recruiting and competitive advantages in the end. There's just no one in the league that wants to invite a Private School unless we have too.

I think you're right, Liberty has a P5 budget. Not many G5 schools able to fund athletics like Liberty. Eventually I think the 800 pound gorilla finds a home at the FBS level, even if it's indy. I wouldn't mind that, it would make every game feel like a bowl game.

(06-03-2015 02:14 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Funny that I start a thread asking if Coastal can afford fbs. After 800 views in just a few hours it gets locked.

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Two things here:

1. If you don't like it, send a PM to a mod and ask why. Don't call us out publicly. That extends to this board as well... it is a site wide rule

2. I closed the thread because A: We have umpteed threads discussing Coastal's readiness right now, 2: Threads started by potential expansion candidates that attack other candidates are almost universally closed now because most of us see alterior movies in creating such a thread.

Thanks

Chief, you think it's attacking a candidate by asking if they can financially afford to make the move?

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One other thing, I didn't call anyone out specifically. I just stated the tread was locked.

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I really think FBS is going to have to look at Expansion for some teams in the near future. Either independents or provide a way for a conference to be formed. I don't get why some FBS fans are against this, I think if colleges are willing to do what it takes, it should be given the chance.

Here are schools I think should have a shot to be FBS and be able to get into the next CFP deal.

Liberty
JMU
EKU
Coastal Carolina
NDSU
Montana
Montana St
Delaware
Youngstown St
Missouri St
Coastal Carolina
Chattanooga

You could actually have a pretty good East Coast conference with
Liberty
JMU
UT-Chat
ELON
Coastal Carolina
EKU
Youngstown St
Delaware
UMASS

Schools don't want to split the college football playoff money with any more schools. If there was no restrictions to FBS, I think we'd see a lot more schools move up without a conference just to collect playoff money, get bigger payouts to be a body bag game for a P5 school, and raise interest for the school because they "compete at the highest level" even if they go 2-10 most years. They wouldn't hand out FCOA because that would eat into their new money.

My thresholds for moving up as an independent would be:
- How much of FCOA will you offer across the sports?
- How is your attendance turnout? What is the last 5 year rolling average? What is attendance like when the program is at rock bottom?
- How has your APR been? Are you taking care of the academic side of student-athletes?
- Have you been on probation or punished lately? If so why?

Those are the things I'd want to know. I'd want schools that can move up and who want to compete but don't have a conference to invite them. If a school gets an invite to a conference, the current rules are fine.

(06-03-2015 08:34 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Chief, you think it's attacking a candidate by asking if they can financially afford to make the move?

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If the question was asked (and it has a lot) by an SBC member...no. But when a conference rival and direct competitor in expansion starts asking about it as well, it's not going to look the same.

I get your point. There's so many realignment treads on the SB board it's hard to keep up with what has and hasn't been posted. You've always been level headed and fair in your dealings with Liberty, so I'll chill a little. For what it's worth, I've been very consistent to say CC would be a good add if they can get their finances and fan support to an acceptable level.

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What's the required average attendance to play FBS football? 15,000 over three years, right? Here are a few 2014 averages I found, Coastal 8,720 - App State 23,166 - ODU 20,118 - Charlotte 13,272 - Liberty 17,016.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

LF, that rule isn't enforced. Eastern Michigan averaged 4,000 and hasn't come close to the required 15,000, but nothing is done.

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True attendance isn't taken. Anyone who knows anything about Ga State knows that some games last year they had under 2,000, but the reported attendance would be over 10,000.

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The wording on attendance goes something like this: Football Bowl Subdivision teams have to meet minimum attendance requirements (average 15,000 people in actual or paid attendance per home game), which must be met once in a rolling two-year period.

I'm of the opinion that no FCS team who is currently averaging less than 75% (11,250) of this requirement has no business considering FBS. Furthermore all FBS teams who are not meeting the requirement should be placed on probation.

The rule should also be altered so that only one year of every rolling two year average allows a school to use paid attendance and when paid attendance is the metric used to meet the requirement, they should also be required to report 11,250 in actual attendance. There should also be a minimum requirement for a ticket price of $15 preventing large block of tickets to be sold for only a couple of bucks in order to meet the paid attendance requirement.

Altering the rule as I have suggested allows for a team who is rebuilding and going through a rough period to receive a little leniency but not be totally dependent on a rock star contributor to save them. This amendment to the rule allows for every other year a contribution of $56,250 or 3750 tickets @ $15 each.

I wouldn't give a death sentence to the school who could not meet the requirement, but rather they would be placed on probation for a season. However, probation for three consecutive season's would be a mandatory loss of FBS competition for five consecutive years.

Sounds legit. You're right about the paid attendance thing. Cheap tickets are bought by corporate sponsors or alumni to inflate the numbers. All schools do this to some extend, but this year take a look at Ga State stadium and what the reported attendance will be.

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(06-09-2015 07:12 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Sounds legit. You're right about the paid attendance thing. Cheap tickets are bought by corporate sponsors or alumni to inflate the numbers. All schools do this to some extend, but this year take a look at Ga State stadium and what the reported attendance will be.

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What I don't understand is how or why the NCAA created such a weak rule with so many loop holes built in it. We are talking about an organization whose sole purpose is to govern.