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RE: Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
I'm not quite sure Coastal is a viable FBS candidate.

They only have 10,500 students; their football stadium only seats 9,200; their basketball arena only seats 3,200; and for endowment watchers, their endowment is a paltry $25M. It also doesn't help that they compete in the Big South, which is on the lower rungs of the D1 ladder, below the SoCon and CAA.

EKU isn't a great candidate either, but they seem to have better tangibles.

They have 16,000 students; their football stadium seats 20,000; their basketball arena seats 6,500; and their endowment is $54M. The Ohio Valley is also a better conference than the Big South.
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RE: Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
I feel as Arkstfan does that Sun Belt will make a decison within the next several weeks (30-45 days). Then it is just a matter of when does the conference announce. Everything that I have heard since Georgia Southern joined the conference is that the Sun Belt's game plan was to get to 12/14. That has not changed.

Just my opinion but the Sun Belt will

1. Add NMSU all sports.
2. Inform Idaho that they will not be renewed as football only.
3. Add Coastal Carolina all sports
4. Add either EKU or Missouri State all sports
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I say you drop Idaho, and get NMSU in as all sports, and stay at 10 for the short term in football. Especially with the possibility of the XII expanding. No need to invite schools just for sake of getting 12 teams.
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Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
I don't see a reason to kick out Idaho unless if there's another western addition in football (or all sports). If UT-Arlington announces it is starting football, or if Missouri State wants to join, then you give Idaho the boot. Divisions matter in football, and Arkansas State, Louisiana, and ULM all belong in the West.
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Endowment money can almost never be spent to support athletics.

Coastal has 12 NCAA baseball appearances, four times a regional #1, twice made it to the super regionals, five NCAA basketball appearances, including last two seasons. Would be the only G5 in South Carolina, well removed from the other P5 schools.

Sure it's the Slumbelt but the slumbelt has things happen like Arkansas State nearly doubling the attendance of Tulsa-UCF in Tulsa playing for all the marbles when AState was playing for all the marbles in the Slumbelt.

I tend to find people who use such terms are expressing insecurity or their momma raised a jerk. Really bizarre behavior but the internet attracts many damaged souls.
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RE: Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.
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(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.
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(06-03-2015 08:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think the Sun Belt should sit tight. There's no one who adds to the conference. Only another team to split the money and to split the athletes. I don't think its any coincidence the MAC had 6 ranked teams from 68 to 75 and then not another one for 20 years. They expanded from 6 to 10 with CMU, EMU, Ball St. and NIU who all recruited a similar area.

If they expand, it should be just NMSU who adds a strong basketball program.


Looks like the Big 12 could name 2 AAC schools to expand with. Cincinnati is one. I think Memphis is the key bridge between the western schools to West Virginia. Memphis would be Iowa State's travel partner. That means U. Mass. or two C-USA will be going to the AAC, and could be 2 Sun Belt could be picked over. There seems to be movement, and Sun Belt can't just sit and wait right now. They need to make a move or they will end up like the WAC.
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(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.
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(06-03-2015 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I don't see a reason to kick out Idaho unless if there's another western addition in football (or all sports). If UT-Arlington announces it is starting football, or if Missouri State wants to join, then you give Idaho the boot. Divisions matter in football, and Arkansas State, Louisiana, and ULM all belong in the West.

Don't expand. Add NMSU as an all sports member. Drop Idaho and the non-football schools leaving a 10 team conference:

West - Louisiana, Ark State, Texas State, ULM, NMSU
East - USA, Troy, App State, GA State, GA Southern
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RE: Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
(06-03-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.


I think Sun Belt is looking at 2 for safety right now. I think they know something is up that expansion merry-go-round will be starting up.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...35050.html

Missouri State might be serious to go FBS this time to go into the west. I think UTA and UALR could be adding football in the future as well.
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RE: Sun Belt to evaluate expansion options within the next 30-45 days
(06-03-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.

Yes, but you have to consider the facts right now

1. The West Schools all Universally want NMSU in All Sports. They do not all agree about adding an Eastern Football member

2. The East Schools all Universally agree they want an East Football member. They do not all agree about NMSU all sports.

3. Everyone agrees that the Idaho set up isn't working that well.

With no real middle of the road geographic candidate feasible (UT-Chatt isnt interested, and Jacksonville State is blocked by Troy/USA) the most likely solution becomes the two sides compromising and taking both.
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(06-03-2015 01:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.

Yes, but you have to consider the facts right now

1. The West Schools all Universally want NMSU in All Sports. They do not all agree about adding an Eastern Football member

2. The East Schools all Universally agree they want an East Football member. They do not all agree about NMSU all sports.

3. Everyone agrees that the Idaho set up isn't working that well.

With no real middle of the road geographic candidate feasible (UT-Chatt isnt interested, and Jacksonville State is blocked by Troy/USA) the most likely solution becomes the two sides compromising and taking both.


Jackson State, Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Missouri State and Northern Iowa are more central that could work. Tennessee State might work as well. Tennessee State was 1-A at one time like East Tennessee State.
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From 2001 to 2005 Arkansas State, Arkansas-Little Rock, Louisiana, and South Alabama played NMSU in all sports (well UALR didn't play them in football, ULM did).

Those schools weren't wailing about travel to Las Cruces then, hated to see them go to the WAC (no tears over Utah State and Idaho leaving) and would like to see them resume as a full member.

NMSU ain't close to nobody other than UTEP and New Mexico. UTEP seems to have no issues going to Miami and Norfolk, Virginia. New Mexico seems to be able to go to Boise and San Jose. When the WAC had football the two closest conference opponents for NMSU were La.Tech and Utah State with USU being the closest at 900 miles.
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(06-03-2015 01:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 01:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see support for NMSU. They would be such an outlier for what is right now a reasonably compact league.

Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.

Yes, but you have to consider the facts right now

1. The West Schools all Universally want NMSU in All Sports. They do not all agree about adding an Eastern Football member

2. The East Schools all Universally agree they want an East Football member. They do not all agree about NMSU all sports.

3. Everyone agrees that the Idaho set up isn't working that well.

With no real middle of the road geographic candidate feasible (UT-Chatt isnt interested, and Jacksonville State is blocked by Troy/USA) the most likely solution becomes the two sides compromising and taking both.


Jackson State, Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Missouri State and Northern Iowa are more central that could work. Tennessee State might work as well. Tennessee State was 1-A at one time like East Tennessee State.

Missouri State has to have an interest in FBS, they've yet to show it.
Central Arkansas cannot afford it.
Jackson State doesn't appear to be able to afford it.
McNeese State hasn't shown interest at all and the league isn't going to fall all over itself for a third school in Louisiana.
Northern Iowa won't get the votes because they don't fit.
Tennessee State, Nashville metro isn't likely to support a third G5
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(06-03-2015 01:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 01:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 01:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  Carolina to San Marcos is not particularly compact. NMSU stretches it, but they would be far and away the best basketball program.

NMSU absolutely stretches it way too much. Right now you have 2 in Texas, 2 in Arkansas, and 2 in Louisiana. That's a western division there for other sports. You have 2 in Alabama and 2 in Georgia, with 1 in North Carolina. Add 1 eastern program, and you have a compact 12 team, 2 division setup.

Yes, but you have to consider the facts right now

1. The West Schools all Universally want NMSU in All Sports. They do not all agree about adding an Eastern Football member

2. The East Schools all Universally agree they want an East Football member. They do not all agree about NMSU all sports.

3. Everyone agrees that the Idaho set up isn't working that well.

With no real middle of the road geographic candidate feasible (UT-Chatt isnt interested, and Jacksonville State is blocked by Troy/USA) the most likely solution becomes the two sides compromising and taking both.


Jackson State, Central Arkansas, McNeese State, Missouri State and Northern Iowa are more central that could work. Tennessee State might work as well. Tennessee State was 1-A at one time like East Tennessee State.

Missouri State has to have an interest in FBS, they've yet to show it.
Central Arkansas cannot afford it.
Jackson State doesn't appear to be able to afford it.
McNeese State hasn't shown interest at all and the league isn't going to fall all over itself for a third school in Louisiana.
Northern Iowa won't get the votes because they don't fit.
Tennessee State, Nashville metro isn't likely to support a third G5

Not to mention there is no way AState would ever support UCA and ditto with ULL and McNeese State.
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(06-03-2015 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  From 2001 to 2005 Arkansas State, Arkansas-Little Rock, Louisiana, and South Alabama played NMSU in all sports (well UALR didn't play them in football, ULM did).

Those schools weren't wailing about travel to Las Cruces then, hated to see them go to the WAC (no tears over Utah State and Idaho leaving) and would like to see them resume as a full member.

NMSU ain't close to nobody other than UTEP and New Mexico. UTEP seems to have no issues going to Miami and Norfolk, Virginia. New Mexico seems to be able to go to Boise and San Jose. When the WAC had football the two closest conference opponents for NMSU were La.Tech and Utah State with USU being the closest at 900 miles.
That's all fine- but that has nothing to do with the situation. You bring up UTEP. UTEP was already in CUSA. I think UTEP would have a far tougher time getting into CUSA now than when they joined before.

The fact is that the eastern schools I don't think will ever allow NMSU to join for all sports. I mean- NMSU is 630 miles past Texas St. That's just stupid.
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Also about the stalemate- I think the eastern schools could probably hold NMSU's football hostage saying if you don't give us an eastern football school- w/o NMSU all sports- we just won't agree to renew NMSU for football.
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The main thing that has made me nervous about conf. realignment is getting WACked. You don't want to get into a situation where you are under the gun to need to transition too many schools at once.

This seems unlikely for the Belt, but having 12 fully transitioned football members would feel a lot safer.
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(06-03-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(06-03-2015 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  From 2001 to 2005 Arkansas State, Arkansas-Little Rock, Louisiana, and South Alabama played NMSU in all sports (well UALR didn't play them in football, ULM did).

Those schools weren't wailing about travel to Las Cruces then, hated to see them go to the WAC (no tears over Utah State and Idaho leaving) and would like to see them resume as a full member.

NMSU ain't close to nobody other than UTEP and New Mexico. UTEP seems to have no issues going to Miami and Norfolk, Virginia. New Mexico seems to be able to go to Boise and San Jose. When the WAC had football the two closest conference opponents for NMSU were La.Tech and Utah State with USU being the closest at 900 miles.
That's all fine- but that has nothing to do with the situation. You bring up UTEP. UTEP was already in CUSA. I think UTEP would have a far tougher time getting into CUSA now than when they joined before.

The fact is that the eastern schools I don't think will ever allow NMSU to join for all sports. I mean- NMSU is 630 miles past Texas St. That's just stupid.


I think UTEP will get an invite to MWC with BYU. UTEP fits better now in MWC than C-USA.
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