I wonder if he had mentioned his girlfriend or that he liked women would this same result wouldve occurred? Something tells me doubtful. Therefore.... "equal"?

(06-03-2015 04:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 03:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So I posted a link to the speech but it doesn't seem like many listened to it, don't blame you really it wasn't particularly captivating, not earth shattering and really not that controversial. But you all still have an opinion about it. I listened to it and really didn't get the impression this kid was trying to be an attention whore, his graduating class was close to 30 people so it wouldn't have been a large crowd (certainly wouldn't have been national news if the principal had allowed it) and like I said those 30 classmates pretty much knew that he was gay for the last 4 years regardless that he wasn't "out".

Some of you probably should give it a listen because some of the context was getting along with your fellow man regardless of ideology (hey he even takes a swipe at Hillary Clinton you might like it). But seriously, a lot of you are crying like little ******* because somebody happens to be gay. It's pretty freakin' obnoxious. I mean if your definition of "in my face about it" is anything but get your ass back in the closet than just admit that you hate gays and being gay and everything about it and stop trying to pretend that you're rational about the subject.

This kid wasn't trying to be political he's just trying to be a gay kid.

If gays want equality, they have to start acting equal. Noone is allowed to give a valedictorian speech at the school which contains sex. Just because he was gay doesnt mean the clause no longer applies to him.

Nothing in his speech was about 'sex', him mentioning his own sexuality isn't anymore sexual than a male valedictorian mentioning the cute cheerleaders or his girlfriend in his speech. It's just that you're too immature to handle the thought of something so icky without stomping your feet and crying until you get your way.

Also, what does this say about the school itself? It's basically admitting 'by our own metrics, this person outperformed every other student in his class and is the shining example of academic excellence in his graduating class' while also saying 'yeah, we don't trust his judgement'.

(06-03-2015 01:01 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 11:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Two things are certain:

1) There is no way his parents didn't know or at least suspect that he is gay. I mean, honestly folks. I can look at a couple pictures and be 99% certain.

2) He was desperately desiring self-validation, praise, and sympathy. He wanted his damn 15 minutes, damnit. The world owes it to him!

hasn't the valedictorian earned a little "self-validation, praise" at graduation?

Sure...for his academic achievements. This is not the place for a coming out party. Evidently he never learned etiquette and manners in his studies.

This kid apparently has clearly never heard the saying "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." A college-bound senior smart enough to be at the top of his class should know that a public school (albeit charter) won't be a big fan of this kind of thing. He's probably a little narcissistic, but it's not like that's an uncommon trait for those of that age to share; I personally wouldn't mind if someone came out at my graduation, but there's a better time to do so than a commencement speech. If I were the principal I'd probably get another speaker and tell his parents to talk to him if they want to know why (just to cover my own ass) but otherwise I wouldn't have much of a problem with him.

My high school didn't necessarily have our valedictorian speak, they would always make people try out and have a committee of teachers, student government reps, and a principal. This situation is why you would do something like that; it would usually result in a pretty generic speech, but from an administrator's perspective you get to choose (1) a well-written, non-controversial speech and (2) a student who you trust won't go rouge.

(06-02-2015 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:Parents of Evan Curry are outraged after their teenage son is outed by his high school principal just before graduation.

The parents say their son wasn't only forced out of the closet - he was silenced when he planned to come out to his family and friends during his valedictorian speech.

The principal at Twin Peaks Charter School called Alise Curry and Don Young to tell them their son, the valedictorian, would not be allowed to give the speech at graduation. The principal also informed them their Evan was gay.

"I think it goes without saying we're unconditionally supportive of our child," Alise Curry said in a small news conference.

After being outed by his principal before he had a chance to tell his parents and the rest of the world, Evan was too embarrassed to stand in front of a handful of cameras to share his story. So instead, his parents did.

"So, first of all, Mr. Bachmann outed Evan to us. Which was not the way Evan wanted it to happen," Alise Curry said.

Bachmann who called Evan's dad to tell him he wasn't going to allow his son's speech, and it was also Bachmann who told Evan's parents their son is gay.

Both of them had no clue.

"The act of outing someone is dangerous and irresponsible," said Mardi Moore, the executive director of Out Boulder. "We're lucky in this case that Evan is in such good hands."

The student with a 4.5 grade point average with a scholarship waiting for him at Rutgers University had been silenced by an administration who didn't feel his message was appropriate.

"There was just silence. There was no acknowledgment of Evan's accomplishments. And as a parent that was the most hurtful thing for me," Alise Curry said. "I would appreciate a sincere apology. I'm not sure we can get one at this point."

The school board released a statement in response, which in part says "the valedictorian failed to follow the guidelines established by the school...and included references to personal matters of a sexual nature - topics not appropriate for a speech at a graduation ceremony."

http://www.cbs46.com/story/29210911/co-h...to-parents

I'm torn a bit here. Probably not the right decision outing the kid, but certainly the right decision to not let him speak. I guess the principle really didn't have a choice though. How else would you explain that the speech won't fly?

Why do you hate the 1st amendment?

If you can't say a prayer, you shouldn't be allowed to talk about liking to stick your peni$ in a butthole either.

(06-02-2015 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:Parents of Evan Curry are outraged after their teenage son is outed by his high school principal just before graduation.

The parents say their son wasn't only forced out of the closet - he was silenced when he planned to come out to his family and friends during his valedictorian speech.

The principal at Twin Peaks Charter School called Alise Curry and Don Young to tell them their son, the valedictorian, would not be allowed to give the speech at graduation. The principal also informed them their Evan was gay.

"I think it goes without saying we're unconditionally supportive of our child," Alise Curry said in a small news conference.

After being outed by his principal before he had a chance to tell his parents and the rest of the world, Evan was too embarrassed to stand in front of a handful of cameras to share his story. So instead, his parents did.

"So, first of all, Mr. Bachmann outed Evan to us. Which was not the way Evan wanted it to happen," Alise Curry said.

Bachmann who called Evan's dad to tell him he wasn't going to allow his son's speech, and it was also Bachmann who told Evan's parents their son is gay.

Both of them had no clue.

"The act of outing someone is dangerous and irresponsible," said Mardi Moore, the executive director of Out Boulder. "We're lucky in this case that Evan is in such good hands."

The student with a 4.5 grade point average with a scholarship waiting for him at Rutgers University had been silenced by an administration who didn't feel his message was appropriate.

"There was just silence. There was no acknowledgment of Evan's accomplishments. And as a parent that was the most hurtful thing for me," Alise Curry said. "I would appreciate a sincere apology. I'm not sure we can get one at this point."

The school board released a statement in response, which in part says "the valedictorian failed to follow the guidelines established by the school...and included references to personal matters of a sexual nature - topics not appropriate for a speech at a graduation ceremony."

http://www.cbs46.com/story/29210911/co-h...to-parents

I'm torn a bit here. Probably not the right decision outing the kid, but certainly the right decision to not let him speak. I guess the principle really didn't have a choice though. How else would you explain that the speech won't fly?

1. Really surprised to see that the parents don't have the same last name....

2. How would you not know your son is gay?

(06-03-2015 08:07 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Also, what does this say about the school itself? It's basically admitting 'by our own metrics, this person outperformed every other student in his class and is the shining example of academic excellence in his graduating class' while also saying 'yeah, we don't trust his judgement'.

That was part of my rant. If the educational system produces an idiot then let it be exposed. If not then no harm

(06-03-2015 08:50 PM)blah Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 03:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:Parents of Evan Curry are outraged after their teenage son is outed by his high school principal just before graduation.

The parents say their son wasn't only forced out of the closet - he was silenced when he planned to come out to his family and friends during his valedictorian speech.

The principal at Twin Peaks Charter School called Alise Curry and Don Young to tell them their son, the valedictorian, would not be allowed to give the speech at graduation. The principal also informed them their Evan was gay.

"I think it goes without saying we're unconditionally supportive of our child," Alise Curry said in a small news conference.

After being outed by his principal before he had a chance to tell his parents and the rest of the world, Evan was too embarrassed to stand in front of a handful of cameras to share his story. So instead, his parents did.

"So, first of all, Mr. Bachmann outed Evan to us. Which was not the way Evan wanted it to happen," Alise Curry said.

Bachmann who called Evan's dad to tell him he wasn't going to allow his son's speech, and it was also Bachmann who told Evan's parents their son is gay.

Both of them had no clue.

"The act of outing someone is dangerous and irresponsible," said Mardi Moore, the executive director of Out Boulder. "We're lucky in this case that Evan is in such good hands."

The student with a 4.5 grade point average with a scholarship waiting for him at Rutgers University had been silenced by an administration who didn't feel his message was appropriate.

"There was just silence. There was no acknowledgment of Evan's accomplishments. And as a parent that was the most hurtful thing for me," Alise Curry said. "I would appreciate a sincere apology. I'm not sure we can get one at this point."

The school board released a statement in response, which in part says "the valedictorian failed to follow the guidelines established by the school...and included references to personal matters of a sexual nature - topics not appropriate for a speech at a graduation ceremony."

http://www.cbs46.com/story/29210911/co-h...to-parents

I'm torn a bit here. Probably not the right decision outing the kid, but certainly the right decision to not let him speak. I guess the principle really didn't have a choice though. How else would you explain that the speech won't fly?

Why do you hate the 1st amendment?

If you can't say a prayer, you shouldn't be allowed to talk about liking to stick your peni$ in a butthole either.

But, he wasn't going to talk about any of that, and mentioning or directly implying your homosexuality isn't anymore inherently sexual than mentioning or directly implying your heterosexuality. My valedictorian mentioned her boyfriend in her speech, was that over the line?

Quote:2. How would you not know your son is gay?

They probably did know. Either way, the onus is on the child to come out when he is ready.

(06-03-2015 04:48 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I wonder if he had mentioned his girlfriend or that he liked women would this same result wouldve occurred?

No, because people would've been shocked if he said that.

(06-03-2015 04:48 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I wonder if he had mentioned his girlfriend or that he liked women would this same result wouldve occurred?

I suppose it depends on how he did it.... it also depends on how he planned on 'coming out'.

If he was simply going to thank people... and included 'my boyfriend Tony' in that list then he probably should have been fine.... and he would have been 'out' to anyone who had paid any attention. Had he referred to his girlfriend as his 'lover' or talked about having sex with them I suspect the speech would have been edited.... of course I don't know... but I'd certainly think that is what would have happened.

My suspicion is that he wanted to make more of a statement... of course I don't know that, but it is implied by the fact that he wanted to 'come out'... and that sort of a conversation about his love interests or sexuality REGARDLESS of the 'object' is at least arguably inappropriate for that setting.

There's an episode of 'the newsroom' called 'late night with Will McAvoy' or something like that about a similar situation. They didn't let a guy 'come out' on air, despite similar rationale... and for similar reasons. Interesting discussion between the producer and 'Jessie'.