(06-12-2015 05:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote: (06-04-2015 10:18 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote: (06-03-2015 01:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: The MAC is compact and that is hurting the conference. They want to expand and get into new markets. The MWC isn't any more compact than the Sun Belt. They take up roughly 1/3 of the US. The Sun Belt gets paid worse than anyone and are perceived as the lowest on the totem pole. It isn't P5 against G5; it is G5 against G5. They are fighting each other to be the next power school or conference and to keep their place.
why people can't see this or understand it is beyond all reason.....it is just shear ignorance and stupidity that people do not see this fact
the proof is there over and over again from the SWC to the MAC and on and on
when you have too many teams in a conference from the same state especially or the same geographic area you lessen the draw for the causal viewer and you lessen the ability of teams to differentiate themselves from others in their same state
this is proven true in the PAC 12, Big 12, MAC and ACC
there is never a time when all 4 California teams in the PAC 12 are good or even decent at the same time and rarely a time when more than 2 are good to decent......same with the 4 Big 12 Texas teams, 4 ACC North Carolina teams or the 5 Ohio MAC teams or even the 3 MAC Michigan teams
yet at the same time ECU can be good with a lot of North Carolina teams in D1-A, but ECU being the outlier not in the conference with the others
Cincy can be good for long periods of time away from tOSU AND away from 5 MAC teams.....if you listen to the nonsense in these stupid "lets get regional" threads that pop up once a month you would think that Cincy would be doing everything it could to get in the MAC so they could have "success" like the other MAC teams
TCU made their way moving away from other Texas teams.....the CUSA in past configurations never had a period of time when more than 2 Texas teams were good at the same time and in their current configuration the same will absolutely hold true......north Texas state had their best run as the only team in the Sunbelt and their ignorant fans so badly wanted to get in the CUSA with more Texas teams and they did so and had a single good season and now they have most likely fallen off to bottom feeder for the foreseeable future
also the idea of "travel cost" is laughable as well those are rarely a function of distance and are much more a function of the service by major airlines and the proximity to a major airport or even a decent sized regional airport with a lot of different airlines serving it or a large number of flights and also a function of hotel cost in the individual cities
going "regional" will only result in lower overall viewership for G5 conferences and a pretty rapid sifting of teams that are good and thus draw players and teams that suck and thus draw fewer quality players and stay mired in sucking because the only real difference they offer to the athlete "student" is a chance to lose a lot more games than they win in the same conference
and just like the SWC found out in the past when many of your teams stay mired at the bottom over time players choose not only to not go to those schools, but to just not go to any schools in that conference and the conference suffers overall even at the top
MAC has 6 Ohio schools, not 5.
and while correct just proves the point even more
they get terrible TV money and when was the last time more than 2 teams were good in Ohio in the MAC
2014 BG 8-6 and Toledo 9-4
Akron 5-7, Miami 2-10, Kent 2-9 Ohio 6-6
two teams with good records and 4 that suck (a losing record means you suck) so 0-1 on years with more than two MAc teams in Ohio being good to decent
2013
BG 10-4
Ohio 7-6, Toledo 7-5
Kent 4-8, Miami 0-12, Akron 5-7
7-6 and 7-5 is not "good" that is barely decent unless you have zero standards and no one would consider a conference to be "good" based on having teams that are 7-6 and 7-5
so again two good teams, two teams that are just OK and 2 that totally suck so 0-2
2012
Kent 11-3, BG 8-5, Ohio 9-4, Toledo 9-4
Akron 1-11 Miami 4-8
so three good teams one that was decent and two that suck.....so far one year out of 3 when more than two MAC teams were good to decent
1-2 on years with more than two Ohio MAC teams being good or decent
2011
Ohio 10-4, Toledo 9-4
Kent 5-7, Miami 4-8, Akron 1-11, BG 5-7
so 1-3 on years with more than 2 MAC teams that are good or even decent
2010
Miami 10-4, Ohio 8-5, Toledo 8-5
Kent 5-7, Akron 1-11, BG 2-10
so that is one good team and two that are decent so 2-3 on years with more than 2 MAC teams that are good or even decent
2009
Ohio 9-5
BG 7-6, Kent 5-7, Akron 3-9, Miami 1-11, Toledo 5-7
2-4 on years with more than 2 MAC teams that are good to decent
2008
BG 6-6, Akron 5-7, Kent 4-8, Ohio 4-8, Miami 2-10, Toledo 3-9
2-5 on years with more than 2 MAC teams in Ohio being good or decent and here in 2008 out of 6 Ohio teams in the MAc 100% of them totally sucked
2007
BG-8-5,
Miami 6-7, Ohio 6-6, Akron, 4-8, Kent 3-9, Toledo 5-7
2-6 on years with more than 2 Ohio MAC teams being good or decent and in this year there is one that is decent and 5 that suck
2006
Ohio 9-5
Kent 6-6, Akron 5-7, BG, 4-8, Miami 2-10, Toledo 5-7
2-7 on years with more than 2 Ohio MAC teams being good or decent and only one was "good" and the rest sucked
2005
Toledo 9-3
Miami 7-4, Akron 7-6
BG 6-5, Ohio 4-7, Kent 1-10
2-8 on years with more than 2 Ohio teams in the MAC being good or even decent
9-3 is good......7 wins is not decent that is just not sucking and 6-5 or under is sucking
2004
Miami 8-5, Toledo 9-4, BG 9-3
Akron 6-5, Kent 5-6, Ohio 4-7,
3-8 on years with more than 2 Ohio teams in the MAC being good to decent
2003
Miami 13-1, BG 11-3. Toldeo 8-4
Akron 7-5
Kent 5-7, Ohio 2-10,
4-8 on years with more than 2 MAC teams being good or even decent
2002
Toledo 9-5, BG 9-3
Miami 7-5,
Ohio 4-8, Akron 4-8, Kent 3-9
4-9 on years with more than two MAC teams in Ohio being good to decent
so 4 out of 13 seasons in the MAC with 6 teams in Ohio they were able to have the "high standard" of more than two of those 6 teams having a good to decent record with good to decent being 8 wins or more
out of those 13 seasons with 6 MAC teams in Ohio 6 of those seasons only one of those Ohio teams won more than 8 games so nearly half of those 13 seasons only 1 Ohio team was good to decent
in 3 more of those seasons only 2 of 6 had a decent to good record
in 3 of those seasons it was 3 teams with 8 wins or more and in one it was 4 teams with 8 wins or more
4 out of 9 seasons trying to have more than 2 out of SIX teams with a decent record sucks and it shows a pretty clear pattern that too many teams in the same state in the same conference hurts the competitiveness of the conference and those teams especially when you look at the other stats where one season ZERO of 6 teams had 8 or more wins and 5 others only one team had 8 or more wins
and in only 5 of those seasons were there teams with 7 wins or more as well most of the time it was teams that just totally sucked
if you look at the PAC, CUSA, Big 12, ACC ect with the 4 teams in the same state in the same conference and try and find years when more than 2 of them were good to decent it is even worse.....hell with SIX teams those numbers for the MAC suck
loading up in too many teams in the same state and the same conference just kills your conference on many levels and is just stupid
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New southern conferences?
