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Go to a Tiger game on a Saturday and then go to a Grizz game on a Saturday. Compare the demographics of the lower bowl and club level (the big money seats). That is the problem the U of M will face in the future.

There is no precedent that says the younger Grizz fans will decide to become Tiger fans when they get older or when the Grizz slip a bit. That precedent simply doesn't exist. The Tigers feasted off non-alumni for decades. Tiger hoops was the biggest game in town. That has changed. No matter how great the Tigers become or how terrible the Grizz become (both will always likely hover around mediocre to very good), the Grizz will still be an NBA team and the Tigers will still be a college team.
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(06-05-2015 05:59 AM)TigerNK Wrote:  Memphis has never had a major league franchise, so the comparison is extremely weak at best. The Grizz had a rough first 8 or so years, but the franchise finally embraced the city and the city returned the favor. The Grizz are ingrained into the culture of this city, and that extends beyond just winning basketball games.

When I grew up, the legends of Memphis hoops were Finch, Lee and Hardaway. Now it is ZBo and TA. Gasol is all-NBA for goodness sake. After his Game 2 performance, Conley is starting to make his own case. I'm fairly certain this front office knows that Gasol and Conley are the future of this team, and they will build it accordingly to avoid that drop off many are expecting. It's going to sting, but TA and Zbo likely won't be here forever.

All I'm saying is that everything that is being said, including your comments about being ingrained in the city, etc, has been said for decades.....about the Tigers. Having a sports team that brings everyone in this city together isn't anything new. And let's be serious, the city did not embrace the Grizz when the Grizz "decided to embrace the city." The city embraced the Grizz when the Grizz started to....win. I know of plenty of people in the hippie and hipster group that 5 years ago didn't know what a basketball was. And quite frankly, still don't. But the Grizz are winning so they're all of the sudden HUGE Grizz supporters. Now, if the Grizzlies avoid the drop off and continue to win, while the Tigers continue to slip, then no doubt that will hurt the Tigers future. The younger fans will buy Grizz season tickets every year and not Tigers' tickets. But if the Grizzlies go back to being a 20-30 win team and make the playoffs every 3-4 years, and the Tigers get their act together and start winning, while getting big name teams back here again, then let's be real. THAT will be the hot ticket once again, and the Tigers will be the ones keeping the Forum operating like they did for almost a decade. I personally don't like the Grizz vs Tigers debate. But I know reality and know this city. Yes, we have had "major league" teams here before. We've had pro franchises of both basketball and football. And those leagues were pretty much neck and neck popularity wise with what we now know as the true powerhouses, the NBA and NFL. And who lasted? The Tigers. So me being a betting man, I'll go with that bet again. I could be wrong, but I've got the odds..

Now, cue K2 to inform me how unbelievably clueless I am.
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(06-05-2015 08:33 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 05:59 AM)TigerNK Wrote:  Memphis has never had a major league franchise, so the comparison is extremely weak at best. The Grizz had a rough first 8 or so years, but the franchise finally embraced the city and the city returned the favor. The Grizz are ingrained into the culture of this city, and that extends beyond just winning basketball games.

When I grew up, the legends of Memphis hoops were Finch, Lee and Hardaway. Now it is ZBo and TA. Gasol is all-NBA for goodness sake. After his Game 2 performance, Conley is starting to make his own case. I'm fairly certain this front office knows that Gasol and Conley are the future of this team, and they will build it accordingly to avoid that drop off many are expecting. It's going to sting, but TA and Zbo likely won't be here forever.

All I'm saying is that everything that is being said, including your comments about being ingrained in the city, etc, has been said for decades.....about the Tigers. Having a sports team that brings everyone in this city together isn't anything new. And let's be serious, the city did not embrace the Grizz when the Grizz "decided to embrace the city." The city embraced the Grizz when the Grizz started to....win. I know of plenty of people in the hippie and hipster group that 5 years ago didn't know what a basketball was. And quite frankly, still don't. But the Grizz are winning so they're all of the sudden HUGE Grizz supporters. Now, if the Grizzlies avoid the drop off and continue to win, while the Tigers continue to slip, then no doubt that will hurt the Tigers future. The younger fans will buy Grizz season tickets every year and not Tigers' tickets. But if the Grizzlies go back to being a 20-30 win team and make the playoffs every 3-4 years, and the Tigers get their act together and start winning, while getting big name teams back here again, then let's be real. THAT will be the hot ticket once again, and the Tigers will be the ones keeping the Forum operating like they did for almost a decade. I personally don't like the Grizz vs Tigers debate. But I know reality and know this city. Yes, we have had "major league" teams here before. We've had pro franchises of both basketball and football. And those leagues were pretty much neck and neck popularity wise with what we now know as the true powerhouses, the NBA and NFL. And who lasted? The Tigers. So me being a betting man, I'll go with that bet again. I could be wrong, but I've got the odds..

Now, cue K2 to inform me how unbelievably clueless I am.

Pretty passionate about this.

I am quite certain you misunderstand what "major league" really means.

Happy for you that you're close to some players, but leave the big picture stuff to the adults.
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(06-05-2015 08:33 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 05:59 AM)TigerNK Wrote:  Memphis has never had a major league franchise, so the comparison is extremely weak at best. The Grizz had a rough first 8 or so years, but the franchise finally embraced the city and the city returned the favor. The Grizz are ingrained into the culture of this city, and that extends beyond just winning basketball games.

When I grew up, the legends of Memphis hoops were Finch, Lee and Hardaway. Now it is ZBo and TA. Gasol is all-NBA for goodness sake. After his Game 2 performance, Conley is starting to make his own case. I'm fairly certain this front office knows that Gasol and Conley are the future of this team, and they will build it accordingly to avoid that drop off many are expecting. It's going to sting, but TA and Zbo likely won't be here forever.

All I'm saying is that everything that is being said, including your comments about being ingrained in the city, etc, has been said for decades.....about the Tigers. Having a sports team that brings everyone in this city together isn't anything new. And let's be serious, the city did not embrace the Grizz when the Grizz "decided to embrace the city." The city embraced the Grizz when the Grizz started to....win. I know of plenty of people in the hippie and hipster group that 5 years ago didn't know what a basketball was. And quite frankly, still don't. But the Grizz are winning so they're all of the sudden HUGE Grizz supporters. Now, if the Grizzlies avoid the drop off and continue to win, while the Tigers continue to slip, then no doubt that will hurt the Tigers future. The younger fans will buy Grizz season tickets every year and not Tigers' tickets. But if the Grizzlies go back to being a 20-30 win team and make the playoffs every 3-4 years, and the Tigers get their act together and start winning, while getting big name teams back here again, then let's be real. THAT will be the hot ticket once again, and the Tigers will be the ones keeping the Forum operating like they did for almost a decade. I personally don't like the Grizz vs Tigers debate. But I know reality and know this city. Yes, we have had "major league" teams here before. We've had pro franchises of both basketball and football. And those leagues were pretty much neck and neck popularity wise with what we now know as the true powerhouses, the NBA and NFL. And who lasted? The Tigers. So me being a betting man, I'll go with that bet again. I could be wrong, but I've got the odds..

Now, cue K2 to inform me how unbelievably clueless I am.

We've had major league franchise for over a decade before? I don't recall any. The comparison to the Grizz is frankly weak IMO.

The Grizz, similar to the Tigers, will probably have weaker attendance if the team isn't doing well. However, cheaper and attainable tickets and a growing younger fanbase may surprise many folks in relation to dip in attendance.
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(06-05-2015 08:39 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 08:33 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 05:59 AM)TigerNK Wrote:  Memphis has never had a major league franchise, so the comparison is extremely weak at best. The Grizz had a rough first 8 or so years, but the franchise finally embraced the city and the city returned the favor. The Grizz are ingrained into the culture of this city, and that extends beyond just winning basketball games.

When I grew up, the legends of Memphis hoops were Finch, Lee and Hardaway. Now it is ZBo and TA. Gasol is all-NBA for goodness sake. After his Game 2 performance, Conley is starting to make his own case. I'm fairly certain this front office knows that Gasol and Conley are the future of this team, and they will build it accordingly to avoid that drop off many are expecting. It's going to sting, but TA and Zbo likely won't be here forever.

All I'm saying is that everything that is being said, including your comments about being ingrained in the city, etc, has been said for decades.....about the Tigers. Having a sports team that brings everyone in this city together isn't anything new. And let's be serious, the city did not embrace the Grizz when the Grizz "decided to embrace the city." The city embraced the Grizz when the Grizz started to....win. I know of plenty of people in the hippie and hipster group that 5 years ago didn't know what a basketball was. And quite frankly, still don't. But the Grizz are winning so they're all of the sudden HUGE Grizz supporters. Now, if the Grizzlies avoid the drop off and continue to win, while the Tigers continue to slip, then no doubt that will hurt the Tigers future. The younger fans will buy Grizz season tickets every year and not Tigers' tickets. But if the Grizzlies go back to being a 20-30 win team and make the playoffs every 3-4 years, and the Tigers get their act together and start winning, while getting big name teams back here again, then let's be real. THAT will be the hot ticket once again, and the Tigers will be the ones keeping the Forum operating like they did for almost a decade. I personally don't like the Grizz vs Tigers debate. But I know reality and know this city. Yes, we have had "major league" teams here before. We've had pro franchises of both basketball and football. And those leagues were pretty much neck and neck popularity wise with what we now know as the true powerhouses, the NBA and NFL. And who lasted? The Tigers. So me being a betting man, I'll go with that bet again. I could be wrong, but I've got the odds..

Now, cue K2 to inform me how unbelievably clueless I am.

Pretty passionate about this.

I am quite certain you misunderstand what "major league" really means.

Happy for you that you're close to some players, but leave the big picture stuff to the adults.

This guy haha.

When the Grizzlies can beat the Tigers in attendance for 12 years in a row, then, and only then, can we compare the Tigers and the Grizz.
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K2, we both know this Grizz boom is just a phase. It will dwindle out, and then it will no doubt boom again. As I've stated from the beginning, there's nothing the Grizzlies are doing in and to this city that the Tigers have not done time after time after time.
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The Grizz are built on grit and grind, and that's why they connect with the city so much. But the Grizzlies won't be a grit and grind team forever. When that happens, will the connection with the city fade? Remains to be seen..
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(06-05-2015 11:58 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  The Grizz are built on grit and grind, and that's why they connect with the city so much. But the Grizzlies won't be a grit and grind team forever. When that happens, will the connection with the city fade? Remains to be seen..

You and I tend to think alike, and sunny pumpers just don't like to hear the truth. They want to hear what they want to hear.

It's real simple: everyone LOVES a winner. Right now, the Grizz are winners. That will change, as it always does in the sports world.

WHEN the Tigers get back to being a ranked team and make a run in the tournament, young and old, hipsters and yuppies alike, will flock to Tigers games.

WHEN the Grizz go through a stink phase again, attendance will drop and people will be worried that Pera wants to move the team.

Those things WILL happen. It's just a matter of will it be in two years or five years?
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That's fine and dandy. The Grizz attendance may dwindle just like the Tigers in a down phase. But all these silly claims that these has happened before with other so called pro franchises doesn't hold any water esp since this is our first major league franchise that actually has been here over a decade and is building a new younger fan base.

Don't understand the point of the comparison. Whoever started the comparison is just plain looking for an argument. The Grizz are great for the city just like the Tigers and they are doing a great job building a new generation of fans.
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A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.
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(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Especially this slimmer Gasol. Can't back ANYBODY down. Fade away. Fade away. Fade away...
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(06-05-2015 02:38 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Especially this slimmer Gasol. Can't back ANYBODY down. Fade away. Fade away. Fade away...

Gasol is an NBA All-Star. He is the elite of the elite of the entire basketball world and yet he cannot escape the barbs. SMH.
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(06-05-2015 02:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:38 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Especially this slimmer Gasol. Can't back ANYBODY down. Fade away. Fade away. Fade away...

Gasol is an NBA All-Star. He is the elite of the elite of the entire basketball world and yet he cannot escape the barbs. SMH.

All I'm saying is you can't deny that after slimming down before this season, he lost the ability to back people down. He lost his power. He became more of a fade away shooter, and had one of his worst field goal % years ever..
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(06-05-2015 06:35 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:38 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Especially this slimmer Gasol. Can't back ANYBODY down. Fade away. Fade away. Fade away...

Gasol is an NBA All-Star. He is the elite of the elite of the entire basketball world and yet he cannot escape the barbs. SMH.

All I'm saying is you can't deny that after slimming down before this season, he lost the ability to back people down. He lost his power. He became more of a fade away shooter, and had one of his worst field goal % years ever..

There are reasons he will be highly sought on the free agent market. His "power" is on full surge alert.
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(06-05-2015 01:44 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  That's fine and dandy. The Grizz attendance may dwindle just like the Tigers in a down phase. But all these silly claims that these has happened before with other so called pro franchises doesn't hold any water esp since this is our first major league franchise that actually has been here over a decade and is building a new younger fan base.

Don't understand the point of the comparison. Whoever started the comparison is just plain looking for an argument. The Grizz are great for the city just like the Tigers and they are doing a great job building a new generation of fans.

that would be post #4
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(06-05-2015 09:09 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 01:44 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  That's fine and dandy. The Grizz attendance may dwindle just like the Tigers in a down phase. But all these silly claims that these has happened before with other so called pro franchises doesn't hold any water esp since this is our first major league franchise that actually has been here over a decade and is building a new younger fan base.

Don't understand the point of the comparison. Whoever started the comparison is just plain looking for an argument. The Grizz are great for the city just like the Tigers and they are doing a great job building a new generation of fans.

that would be post #4

Oh please. Every time you post a pro-Grizz article, you know exactly what you're doing 03-lmfao
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just a Grizz article in the Grindhouse forum dude....not in the D-F forum....

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Article in this month's Memphis Magazine
(06-05-2015 10:15 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 09:09 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 01:44 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  That's fine and dandy. The Grizz attendance may dwindle just like the Tigers in a down phase. But all these silly claims that these has happened before with other so called pro franchises doesn't hold any water esp since this is our first major league franchise that actually has been here over a decade and is building a new younger fan base.

Don't understand the point of the comparison. Whoever started the comparison is just plain looking for an argument. The Grizz are great for the city just like the Tigers and they are doing a great job building a new generation of fans.

that would be post #4

Oh please. Every time you post a pro-Grizz article, you know exactly what you're doing 03-lmfao

This is the Grizz forum though and I didn't read anything in the OP that compares the Grizz to Tigers. I think you may have jumped the gun here.
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(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Heisley helped construct this current team. Pera hasn't really done anything yet. And its pretty obvious that Gasol and Conley are the ones that make this team go
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(06-06-2015 01:52 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(06-05-2015 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A lot of people didn't like the previous owner. So far so good with Pera. It does remain to be seen. I'm also interested to see what happens once Zbo and TA get too old. IMO they may be more important than Gasol and Conley.

Heisley helped construct this current team. Pera hasn't really done anything yet. And its pretty obvious that Gasol and Conley are the ones that make this team go

I think both owners have been supportive of the team and the City of Memphis.
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