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I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
Looking at the UAB fiasco they played it perfectly. That made it very clear to the UAB BoT that without football UAB will be kicked out, but left just enough of an opening for UAB to give them a chance reverse course.

They didn't rush in a new member. They didn't kick out UAB immediately. But they also made it abundantly clear that UAB would pay a heavy price for dropping football. I first thought they played it so neutral simply to be diplomatic.

However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.
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he gets a lot of blame for not preventing events beyond his control. if you actually look objectively at what took place during the realignments that took place during his tenure he did about as well as could be expected giving the **** sandwich he was given.
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
Yea I never understood the bashing of the CUSA commish....It could be worse...
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
You only have to look to Karl Benson to see a lot worse. Yes he get blamed for something's beyond his control. Yes, he played this situation very well. But when we had the most recent round of departure, he was too quick to fill the departures. As this shows, a little patience is a good thing.
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
(06-02-2015 07:31 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yea I never understood the bashing of the CUSA commish....It could be worse...

Banowsky wants nothing but the best for this conference. I was convinced of that when we started talking about merging with the MWC. That was a ballsy move during uncertain times that had a chance of working.

I've said this on other boards. I think he went for upside with all of our new additions; when he very well could have picked certain teams that are already more established but don't have the market and growth potential that would have put us in good position for the future.

I don't think we've lost much through the defections. The main thing we lost was a lot of time we invested in the departing programs. That said, anyone who craps on our conference is missing the mark. I'm thankful for the approach that was taken toward UAB.

In time, we can have a strong presence in our footprint. I'm optimistic about our TV package, but I hope it'll be a shorter term deal because I feel that we'll have a lot more to sell in just a handful of years.
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson
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(06-02-2015 02:51 AM)john01992 Wrote:  However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.

And to stop Ray Watts. Watts went out of his way to personally insult Banowsky and the other 13 presidents, both at the conference tournament and the meeting in Boca Raton. None of them were going to do anything to make things easy for Watts.
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I think the Commissioner handle the situation very well and really showed leadership. The easiest thing to do was "no comment" the whole debacle. But instead, when Watts was using the whole "we don't know what will happen with conference affiliation", Banowksy laid it out in no uncertain terms. Option 1, don't bring back football and be expelled or option 2, bring back football and use this as a galvanizing event to launch UAB into a new era of greater success to benefit the school and CUSA.

That is leadership. It was very clear UAB is a critical member of CUSA. Not only do they have one of the best basketball pedigrees, they also reside in one of the top football crazed markets in the country. Having UAB back in the fold is a huge deal for CUSA's future.
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(06-02-2015 09:01 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I think the Commissioner handle the situation very well and really showed leadership. The easiest thing to do was "no comment" the whole debacle. But instead, when Watts was using the whole "we don't know what will happen with conference affiliation", Banowksy laid it out in no uncertain terms. Option 1, don't bring back football and be expelled or option 2, bring back football and use this as a galvanizing event to launch UAB into a new era of greater success to benefit the school and CUSA.

That is leadership. It was very clear UAB is a critical member of CUSA. Not only do they have one of the best basketball pedigrees, they also reside in one of the top football crazed markets in the country. Having UAB back in the fold is a huge deal for CUSA's future.

+1 Nailed it....
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I've always been a fan. We have great bowls and great TV. Now if we can stay together long enough to establish rivalries and become competitive outside the G5....
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
(06-02-2015 02:51 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Looking at the UAB fiasco they played it perfectly. That made it very clear to the UAB BoT that without football UAB will be kicked out, but left just enough of an opening for UAB to give them a chance reverse course.

They didn't rush in a new member. They didn't kick out UAB immediately. But they also made it abundantly clear that UAB would pay a heavy price for dropping football. I first thought they played it so neutral simply to be diplomatic.

However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.

Um....if he had this much influence, why didn't he pull that card before they killed the freaking program?
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(06-02-2015 08:28 AM)galojah Wrote:  Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson

I actually never much understood the the bashing of either one of those guys. I'm not saying either of them are great, but c'mon look at what they are/were working with. It's not been the comissioner holding back the Sun Belt, I'll say that much.
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
Wright Water's negotiations were terrible.

(06-02-2015 09:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 08:28 AM)galojah Wrote:  Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson

I actually never much understood the the bashing of either one of those guys. I'm not saying either of them are great, but c'mon look at what they are/were working with. It's not been the comissioner holding back the Sun Belt, I'll say that much.
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RE: I'm starting to think that the C-USA commish is a genius
(06-02-2015 09:56 AM)galojah Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 09:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 08:28 AM)galojah Wrote:  Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson

I actually never much understood the the bashing of either one of those guys. I'm not saying either of them are great, but c'mon look at what they are/were working with. It's not been the comissioner holding back the Sun Belt, I'll say that much.
Wright Water's negotiations were terrible.

He took some deserved heat for how the bowl back ups blew up in his face, that's about all I can come up with. The bill of goods he had to offer just isn't that good.
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(06-02-2015 09:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 08:28 AM)galojah Wrote:  Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson

I actually never much understood the the bashing of either one of those guys. I'm not saying either of them are great, but c'mon look at what they are/were working with. It's not been the comissioner holding back the Sun Belt, I'll say that much.

Wright Waters sold SBC tv rights for basically nothing (I think the schools get <50k if that a year)

Karl Benson single-handedly destroyed the WAC, he had Boise State after the Fiesta Bowl, Fresno, Hawaii, Nevada, and Tech all very good Mid-Majors and couldn't find a way to keep the conference together. At the 11th hour he tried to get MWC schools to defect but instead was blindsided by everyone leaving. He had no vision or foresight and did the head in the sand routine when rumors that could hurt the conference started bubbling up.

If either had been in charge during this fiasco the lines would have been similiar to this:

"We are monitoring the situation."
Or
We would have jumped the gun and invited someone and then looked dumb when UAB came back...
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(06-02-2015 10:12 AM)Germdawg Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 09:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 08:28 AM)galojah Wrote:  Things could always be worse:

1 - Wright Waters
1b - Karl Benson

I actually never much understood the the bashing of either one of those guys. I'm not saying either of them are great, but c'mon look at what they are/were working with. It's not been the comissioner holding back the Sun Belt, I'll say that much.

Wright Waters sold SBC tv rights for basically nothing (I think the schools get <50k if that a year)

Karl Benson single-handedly destroyed the WAC, he had Boise State after the Fiesta Bowl, Fresno, Hawaii, Nevada, and Tech all very good Mid-Majors and couldn't find a way to keep the conference together. At the 11th hour he tried to get MWC schools to defect but instead was blindsided by everyone leaving. He had no vision or foresight and did the head in the sand routine when rumors that could hurt the conference started bubbling up.

If either had been in charge during this fiasco the lines would have been similiar to this:

"We are monitoring the situation."
Or
We would have jumped the gun and invited someone and then looked dumb when UAB came back...

Regarding Wright Waters television deal I think it's pretty easy to just assume someone else could have done better, but really truly look at what he was selling in the early days and consider the time he was selling it in, there weren't half the networks there are now, weeknight games were limited to a few Thursday games a year total, hell ESPNU didn't even exist until 2005 and it took years to grow into what it is today. We were a group of schools mostly a decade or less removed from 1AA(which got even less exposure and respect then) and some long time 1A programs that had never had any real success like ULL, stAte and NMSU. Could someone else had done better? I suppose, but how much better could they have truly done and could the Sun Belt even afford to pay the man that could have truly sold that conference in that time?

Regarding Benson, I don't buy that he destroyed the WAC. His 11th hour plan may have done further harm, but what truly destroyed the WAC was a lack of viable candidates to backfill with. The WAC was good, but not good enough to hold together against the MWC and that's no fault of Benson's. Once Boise was out, there was zero hope(and I'm not sure how you think Benson should have convinced Boise to stay in a lesser conference with an instate rival they view as beneath them)but even through all of that if the WAC had the same number of FCS options in their footprint that the the Sun Belt does, they may have survived.

And I'm just not that sure the two situations are really all that analagous. With UAB's departure, CUSA was still in a position of strength with a half dozen or more SBC/FCS schools throwing themselves at us. We didn't panic and add anyone because our numbers were not dwindling and the loss of one middling member was not going make our waiting line of replacements sour on joining.

When Karl Benson was named SBC comissioner it was met with a mix of dread and mild optimism that he had to at least be an upgrade over Waters. I looked at his tenure in the WAC and saw that in 18 years 17 schools left for better conferences and the WAC kept on rolling until the end when there just was no one to backfill with. It may not have been the most encouraging news for the conference(but that's some pretty impressive longevity considering the turnover) but it was plenty encouraging for any member with upward mobility and sure enough less than a year later MT was CUSA bound!04-cheers

To be clear, I don't actually attribute our move in any way to Benson, but if we were still in the Sun Belt I wouldn't be worried about the conference going the way of the WAC, primarily because I just don't see that much movement happening over our heads to trickle down and it's not as if they don't have outspoken replacements "ready"(in their own minds anyhow) and waiting for a call.
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(06-02-2015 08:32 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 02:51 AM)john01992 Wrote:  However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.

And to stop Ray Watts. Watts went out of his way to personally insult Banowsky and the other 13 presidents, both at the conference tournament and the meeting in Boca Raton. None of them were going to do anything to make things easy for Watts.

Can you elaborate?
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(06-02-2015 08:32 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 02:51 AM)john01992 Wrote:  However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.

And to stop Ray Watts. Watts went out of his way to personally insult Banowsky and the other 13 presidents, both at the conference tournament and the meeting in Boca Raton. None of them were going to do anything to make things easy for Watts.
Questions: Does Watts attend the league meeting in Dallas this weekend? What kind of reception will he get?
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(06-02-2015 11:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 08:32 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 02:51 AM)john01992 Wrote:  However now I am starting to suspect that these moves were designed to help UAB.

And to stop Ray Watts. Watts went out of his way to personally insult Banowsky and the other 13 presidents, both at the conference tournament and the meeting in Boca Raton. None of them were going to do anything to make things easy for Watts.

Can you elaborate?

Where to start? Watts stood them up during the CUSA tournament, blowing off his host duties for the presidents' lunch. Watts reportedly was directly insulting to multiple presidents and Banowsky in Boca Raton.

After UAB won the CUSA men's basketball tournament, the players were indeed congratulated by the president. Well, a president. Sidney McPhee of MTSU.

Ray Watts is a vile and dislikable person. I do not doubt for a second that this played a major role in CUSA's willingness to undermine his insane plan.
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Your presidents and the C-USA office received quite a few emails from UAB fans asking for time so that we could get it reinstated. They understood Watts is a dead man walking.

He won't be president by the time UAB plays football again.
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