The NCAA is corrupt.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/f...ar-BBkk9Xa

Wouldn't surprise me, although anybody who's unaware about such things being commonplace is very naïve.

NCAA isn't much better than FIFA.

(05-28-2015 11:10 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me, although anybody who's unaware about such things being commonplace is very naïve.

The NCAA's drug testing rules are a joke. Every school sets their own policy and punishments. Some schools conduct testing and others don't. Some will let the offender off with a slap on the wrist and others will kick that person out of school. I have no idea what MSU's rules are. MSU can be in trouble is if they created a standard drug testing protocol and knowingly violated it or buried the results. What it sounds like is that MSU was administering tests but the players were finding ways to beat them. There's not much the coach or school can do without a positive result.

(05-28-2015 11:34 AM)prp Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:10 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me, although anybody who's unaware about such things being commonplace is very naïve.

The NCAA's drug testing rules are a joke. Every school sets their own policy and punishments. Some schools conduct testing and others don't. Some will let the offender off with a slap on the wrist and others will kick that person out of school. I have no idea what MSU's rules are. MSU can be in trouble is if they created a standard drug testing protocol and knowingly violated it or buried the results. What it sounds like is that MSU was administering tests but the players were finding ways to beat them. There's not much the coach or school can do without a positive result.

So, then what is needed is for the NCAA to get more power over the schools and have the institutions give up their own rights. Too bad that all the lawsuits in court have really weaken the NCAA. It's not so much the NCAA is a 'joke', it's that when or if it tries to enforce the rules or power and lawsuit sprouts up and denies the NCAA the power it needs to run as an organization. All because a P5 school would be hurt by following the rules.

To the original question MSU will be fine.... One of the directional Michigan schools is about to get f'd though.

(05-28-2015 11:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  To the original question MSU will be fine.... One of the directional Michigan schools is about to get f'd though.

The G5 haven't really been burned that often, either. To be honest, most of the FBS is apparently "off limits" according to the NCAA. It's hilarious. I think they are now hitting the Division II and III schools at this point.

(05-28-2015 12:41 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  To the original question MSU will be fine.... One of the directional Michigan schools is about to get f'd though.

The G5 haven't really been burned that often, either. To be honest, most of the FBS is apparently "off limits" according to the NCAA. It's hilarious. I think they are now hitting the Division II and III schools at this point.

Ok, so Michigan Tech and Grand Valley State better watch their arse!

(05-28-2015 11:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  To the original question MSU will be fine.... One of the directional Michigan schools is about to get f'd though.

Yeah, if Boeheim didn't piss off the NCAA LordMasters...SUNY Oswego could've received the death penalty in Rugby...instead Cuse got 5 years for screwing up their own voluntary drug testing policies.

(05-28-2015 11:42 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:34 AM)prp Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:10 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me, although anybody who's unaware about such things being commonplace is very naïve.

The NCAA's drug testing rules are a joke. Every school sets their own policy and punishments. Some schools conduct testing and others don't. Some will let the offender off with a slap on the wrist and others will kick that person out of school. I have no idea what MSU's rules are. MSU can be in trouble is if they created a standard drug testing protocol and knowingly violated it or buried the results. What it sounds like is that MSU was administering tests but the players were finding ways to beat them. There's not much the coach or school can do without a positive result.

So, then what is needed is for the NCAA to get more power over the schools and have the institutions give up their own rights. Too bad that all the lawsuits in court have really weaken the NCAA. It's not so much the NCAA is a 'joke', it's that when or if it tries to enforce the rules or power and lawsuit sprouts up and denies the NCAA the power it needs to run as an organization. All because a P5 school would be hurt by following the rules.

I guess this depends on your goal. If your goal is to have uniform standards for drugs, then yes, this is needed.

But schools don't want uniform standards for drugs, any more than they want uniform standards for plagiarism or grades. Each school wants to be able to tailor its standards to fit its own needs.

This is unlike the professional leagues, whose sole value to their customers is that they provide a level playing field for top athletes to compete. A uniform standard on drugs is essential to maximize revenue for a professional league. However, colleges' primary sources of revenue are student tuition, federal grants, and state aid in widely varying proportions. Athletic revenue (even including all alumni donations) is a very distant 3rd at best for nearly every school except maybe Notre Dame and some of the smaller SEC schools.

When a scandal happens, a school's first thought is NOT whether it will impact ticket revenue - it's whether it will impact their non-athletic revenue. Just look at the Penn State scandal - their biggest concern was being investigated by the feds and risking their ability to receive Pell grants and federal research grants. They voluntarily paid a $60 million fine and accepted years of athletic irrelevance in order to avoid that risk because they're more reliant on federal funds than nearly every other school in the country.

BYU will react very differently to a pot scandal than Colorado. Navy will react very differently to a PED scandal than Alabama. Stanford will react differently to an academic scandal than most other schools. The odds of getting schools to agree on a uniform standard are very low because their institutional goals are very different.

All of college athletics is corrupt. A friend's nephew was receiving $$$ under the table and he played Division 3 golf.

Division 3 fricken golf.

(05-28-2015 07:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  All of college athletics is corrupt. A friend's nephew was receiving $$$ under the table and he played Division 3 golf.

Division 3 fricken golf.

I'd love see a 30 for 30 on the stuff that is rampant at the lower levels.

(05-28-2015 11:34 AM)prp Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:10 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me, although anybody who's unaware about such things being commonplace is very naïve.

The NCAA's drug testing rules are a joke. Every school sets their own policy and punishments. Some schools conduct testing and others don't. Some will let the offender off with a slap on the wrist and others will kick that person out of school. I have no idea what MSU's rules are. MSU can be in trouble is if they created a standard drug testing protocol and knowingly violated it or buried the results. What it sounds like is that MSU was administering tests but the players were finding ways to beat them. There's not much the coach or school can do without a positive result.

LSU have been guilty of letting their players off who used drugs.

Michigan State was already F'd in baseball by being one of the First 4 Out from the NCAA Tournament, despite sweeping Oregon on the road and beating Clemson in their only meeting of the year (Oregon and Clemson were among the Last 4 In).

Izzo has kicked players off for getting caught with weed, still dont get why weed would be considered performance enhancing in any way.

(05-28-2015 08:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Michigan State was already F'd in baseball by being one of the First 4 Out from the NCAA Tournament, despite sweeping Oregon on the road and beating Clemson in their only meeting of the year (Oregon and Clemson were among the Last 4 In).

Seriously, no bias there.

(05-28-2015 10:38 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Michigan State was already F'd in baseball by being one of the First 4 Out from the NCAA Tournament, despite sweeping Oregon on the road and beating Clemson in their only meeting of the year (Oregon and Clemson were among the Last 4 In).

Seriously, no bias there.

None, and I would have been just fine with Sparty getting in.