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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
Need another example of what mptnstr@44 wrote?

Port of Savannah is being currently being deepend. This project will greatly impact the Southeast for distribution of goods, thus lowering the cost of goods.

http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/C...nsion.aspx
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
States' governments or the states citizen are less dependent?
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Re: RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:29 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:05 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I posted this on another thread but thought it deserves discussion.

Given that Texas is curently in need of Federal Emergency Aid, I thought this little graphic would be interesting to discuss.

[Image: states-most-least-dependent-on-the-feder...-image.jpg]

1) It's not interesting at all the you would use a natural disaster to try and make this point.

2) Either the nation is United or it is not. Such distinctions don't in any way prove the efficacy of either parties politics.

That is an excellent point.

Let's remember however which states specifically began murmurs of secession when Obama was elected. Interesting isn't it?

Why is it interesting? So what if Texas has secessionists.
Vermont and New Hampshire have their secessionist nuts too.
Every state has wackos.

If Texas pays taxes to the federal government they are no less unworthy of federal aid for a natural disaster than NY, CA or Washington DC.

I have never said that they don't deserve federal aid. In fact, I think they do deserve it and should get it.

So what the **** are you trying to say?
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
http://gawker.com/5973255/here-are-the-r...lief-funds

Some Texan Republicans should have to explain these votes.

Justin Amash (R-MI)
Andy Barr (R-KY)
Dan Benishek (R-MI)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Mo Brooks (R-AL)
Paul Broun (R-GA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Doug Collins (R-GA)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Tom Cotton (R-AR)
Steve Daines (R-MT)
Ron DeSantis (R-FL)
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
Sean Duffy (R-WI)
Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
Jimmy Duncan (R-TN)
Stephen Fincher (R-TN)
John Fleming (R-LA)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
Tom Graves (R-GA)
Sam Graves (R-MO)
Andrew Harris (R-MD)
George Holding (R-NC)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
Randy Hultgren (R-IL)
Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Tom McClintock (R-CA)
Mark Meadows (R-NC)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Steve Pearce (R-NM)
Scott Perry (R-PA)
Tom Petri (R-WI)
Mike Pompeo (R-KS)
Tom Price (R-GA)
Phil Roe (R-TN)
Todd Rokita (R-IN)
Keith Rothfus (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Matt Salmon (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Kevin Yoder (R-KS)
Ted Yoho (R-FL)

That is a vote that should be explained.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The biggest problem with their methodology is that States don't pay taxes to the federal government, individuals and businesses do. Delaware is the state that's least "dependent" because 60% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware, but that's not where the revenue is generated. A couple of billion dollars in federal tax revenues sent in from New Jersey come from Exxon/Mobil, but it's not just the people of New Jersey paying all those fuel taxes. In other words, if the union were to dissolve tomorrow, and each of the 50 states became a separate country and each taxed these corporations on the income generated within their own borders, you'd have a completely different picture.

It's pretty stupid to describe states as being "dependent" on the federal government because federal dollars are spent there.
Who benefits from highway spending on I-70 through Kansas, the people of Kansas, or the shoppers at a New Jersey Wal-mart whose Chinese goods were trucked thru Kansas? Both.
Are the people of Texas the only ones who benefit from the tanks at Fort Hood? Nope.
And how about farm subsidies - think only the Iowa farmers benefit from those? Want to pay $15/gallon for milk?

You're starting to sound like a socialist. Are you suggesting that people in other states benefit from highways in Kansas?

Next thing your going to say is that New Jersey didn't build that.

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You did not dispute any of my points.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:27 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Need another example of what mptnstr@44 wrote?

Port of Savannah is being currently being deepend. This project will greatly impact the Southeast for distribution of goods, thus lowering the cost of goods.

http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/C...nsion.aspx

I don't know about that project. When the 3rd Locks on the Panama Canal are finished, I can see goods going to MIA, HOU and NYC. The only reason to someplace like SAV or CHA would be because of a lack of capacity at the previous three.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:29 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  1) It's not interesting at all the you would use a natural disaster to try and make this point.

2) Either the nation is United or it is not. Such distinctions don't in any way prove the efficacy of either parties politics.

That is an excellent point.

Let's remember however which states specifically began murmurs of secession when Obama was elected. Interesting isn't it?

Why is it interesting? So what if Texas has secessionists.
Vermont and New Hampshire have their secessionist nuts too.
Every state has wackos.

If Texas pays taxes to the federal government they are no less unworthy of federal aid for a natural disaster than NY, CA or Washington DC.

I have never said that they don't deserve federal aid. In fact, I think they do deserve it and should get it.

So what the **** are you trying to say?

I'm not trying to say anything. I just posted it for discussion.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://gawker.com/5973255/here-are-the-r...lief-funds

Some Texan Republicans should have to explain these votes.

Justin Amash (R-MI)
Andy Barr (R-KY)
Dan Benishek (R-MI)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Mo Brooks (R-AL)
Paul Broun (R-GA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Doug Collins (R-GA)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Tom Cotton (R-AR)
Steve Daines (R-MT)
Ron DeSantis (R-FL)
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
Sean Duffy (R-WI)
Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
Jimmy Duncan (R-TN)
Stephen Fincher (R-TN)
John Fleming (R-LA)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
Tom Graves (R-GA)
Sam Graves (R-MO)
Andrew Harris (R-MD)
George Holding (R-NC)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
Randy Hultgren (R-IL)
Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Tom McClintock (R-CA)
Mark Meadows (R-NC)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Steve Pearce (R-NM)
Scott Perry (R-PA)
Tom Petri (R-WI)
Mike Pompeo (R-KS)
Tom Price (R-GA)
Phil Roe (R-TN)
Todd Rokita (R-IN)
Keith Rothfus (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Matt Salmon (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Kevin Yoder (R-KS)
Ted Yoho (R-FL)

That is a vote that should be explained.

I read that Ted Cruz voted against the Sandy Relief bill too but he voted against it because it was stuffed with extra pork for things like the Smithsonian renovations etc.

Pork in the bill is listed here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...l-n1477710

Maybe these guys who voted no smelled the sausage frying in the pan too?
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:40 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 10:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The biggest problem with their methodology is that States don't pay taxes to the federal government, individuals and businesses do. Delaware is the state that's least "dependent" because 60% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware, but that's not where the revenue is generated. A couple of billion dollars in federal tax revenues sent in from New Jersey come from Exxon/Mobil, but it's not just the people of New Jersey paying all those fuel taxes. In other words, if the union were to dissolve tomorrow, and each of the 50 states became a separate country and each taxed these corporations on the income generated within their own borders, you'd have a completely different picture.

It's pretty stupid to describe states as being "dependent" on the federal government because federal dollars are spent there.
Who benefits from highway spending on I-70 through Kansas, the people of Kansas, or the shoppers at a New Jersey Wal-mart whose Chinese goods were trucked thru Kansas? Both.
Are the people of Texas the only ones who benefit from the tanks at Fort Hood? Nope.
And how about farm subsidies - think only the Iowa farmers benefit from those? Want to pay $15/gallon for milk?

You're starting to sound like a socialist. Are you suggesting that people in other states benefit from highways in Kansas?

Next thing your going to say is that New Jersey didn't build that.

03-lmfao03-lmfao

You did not dispute any of my points.

NO. In fact I agree with them.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 11:46 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://gawker.com/5973255/here-are-the-r...lief-funds

Some Texan Republicans should have to explain these votes.

Justin Amash (R-MI)
Andy Barr (R-KY)
Dan Benishek (R-MI)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Mo Brooks (R-AL)
Paul Broun (R-GA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Doug Collins (R-GA)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Tom Cotton (R-AR)
Steve Daines (R-MT)
Ron DeSantis (R-FL)
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
Sean Duffy (R-WI)
Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
Jimmy Duncan (R-TN)
Stephen Fincher (R-TN)
John Fleming (R-LA)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
Tom Graves (R-GA)
Sam Graves (R-MO)
Andrew Harris (R-MD)
George Holding (R-NC)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
Randy Hultgren (R-IL)
Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Tom McClintock (R-CA)
Mark Meadows (R-NC)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Steve Pearce (R-NM)
Scott Perry (R-PA)
Tom Petri (R-WI)
Mike Pompeo (R-KS)
Tom Price (R-GA)
Phil Roe (R-TN)
Todd Rokita (R-IN)
Keith Rothfus (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Matt Salmon (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Kevin Yoder (R-KS)
Ted Yoho (R-FL)

That is a vote that should be explained.

I read that Ted Cruz voted against the Sandy Relief bill too but he voted against it because it was stuffed with extra pork for things like the Smithsonian renovations etc.

Pork in the bill is listed here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...l-n1477710

Maybe these guys who voted no smelled the sausage frying in the pan too?

Just as I suspected, another liberal who failed to read the bill.

It's funny how that liberal do-nothing congress could sure stuff an emergency aid bill in a hurry.
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RE: Red States vs. Blue States
(05-28-2015 12:03 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:46 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://gawker.com/5973255/here-are-the-r...lief-funds

Some Texan Republicans should have to explain these votes.

Justin Amash (R-MI)
Andy Barr (R-KY)
Dan Benishek (R-MI)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Mo Brooks (R-AL)
Paul Broun (R-GA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Doug Collins (R-GA)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Tom Cotton (R-AR)
Steve Daines (R-MT)
Ron DeSantis (R-FL)
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
Sean Duffy (R-WI)
Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
Jimmy Duncan (R-TN)
Stephen Fincher (R-TN)
John Fleming (R-LA)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
Tom Graves (R-GA)
Sam Graves (R-MO)
Andrew Harris (R-MD)
George Holding (R-NC)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
Randy Hultgren (R-IL)
Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Tom McClintock (R-CA)
Mark Meadows (R-NC)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Steve Pearce (R-NM)
Scott Perry (R-PA)
Tom Petri (R-WI)
Mike Pompeo (R-KS)
Tom Price (R-GA)
Phil Roe (R-TN)
Todd Rokita (R-IN)
Keith Rothfus (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Matt Salmon (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Kevin Yoder (R-KS)
Ted Yoho (R-FL)

That is a vote that should be explained.

I read that Ted Cruz voted against the Sandy Relief bill too but he voted against it because it was stuffed with extra pork for things like the Smithsonian renovations etc.

Pork in the bill is listed here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...l-n1477710

Maybe these guys who voted no smelled the sausage frying in the pan too?

Just as I suspected, another liberal who failed to read the bill.

It's funny how that liberal do-nothing congress could sure stuff an emergency aid bill in a hurry.

It's not really fair to ascribe this reasoning to all of them, some more libertarian candidates might have voted against it on principle too.
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(05-28-2015 11:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:27 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Need another example of what mptnstr@44 wrote?

Port of Savannah is being currently being deepend. This project will greatly impact the Southeast for distribution of goods, thus lowering the cost of goods.

http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/C...nsion.aspx

I don't know about that project. When the 3rd Locks on the Panama Canal are finished, I can see goods going to MIA, HOU and NYC. The only reason to someplace like SAV or CHA would be because of a lack of capacity at the previous three.

The interstate leading out of Savannah, I-16, is starting to populate with more and more Distribution Centers. The State has been reworking the roads for the past 5 or so years to deal with the increase in truckers on I-16.
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(05-28-2015 12:09 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:27 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Need another example of what mptnstr@44 wrote?

Port of Savannah is being currently being deepend. This project will greatly impact the Southeast for distribution of goods, thus lowering the cost of goods.

http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/C...nsion.aspx

I don't know about that project. When the 3rd Locks on the Panama Canal are finished, I can see goods going to MIA, HOU and NYC. The only reason to someplace like SAV or CHA would be because of a lack of capacity at the previous three.

The interstate leading out of Savannah, I-16, is starting to populate with more and more Distribution Centers. The State has been reworking the roads for the past 5 or so years to deal with the increase in truckers on I-16.

Interesting. I'll admit I haven't been down that way in awhile. Especially since watching all the wiregrass go by makes I-16 one of the most boring drives I've ever taken. 04-cheers
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(05-28-2015 12:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 12:09 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-28-2015 11:27 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Need another example of what mptnstr@44 wrote?

Port of Savannah is being currently being deepend. This project will greatly impact the Southeast for distribution of goods, thus lowering the cost of goods.

http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/C...nsion.aspx

I don't know about that project. When the 3rd Locks on the Panama Canal are finished, I can see goods going to MIA, HOU and NYC. The only reason to someplace like SAV or CHA would be because of a lack of capacity at the previous three.

The interstate leading out of Savannah, I-16, is starting to populate with more and more Distribution Centers. The State has been reworking the roads for the past 5 or so years to deal with the increase in truckers on I-16.

Interesting. I'll admit I haven't been down that way in awhile. Especially since watching all the wiregrass go by makes I-16 one of the most boring drives I've ever taken. 04-cheers

No disagreement here. Though, it gets much better once you start naming pine trees at certain spots on the road.
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It seems rather natural to me that states where people are in favor of cutting federal spending are states where they see too much federal spending happening.
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Here's the difference between Texas and most of America. If something bad happens in NY or California, the people immediately look to the federal government for help. They do that first. If something bad happens in Texas, we look to friends, family, fellow church members, volunteer organizations, etc. If all of that is insufficient, then we may look to the government for assistance.
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