Just published today: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Top 5:
Oregon $196 million
Texas $161 million
Michigan $158 million
Alabama $153 million
Ohio State $145 million

According to the accompanying news article, here, Oregon had a big bump up from last year due to a $95 million donation for training facilities from the Knight family.

There is also an interesting discussion about Old Dominion in the article, and quotes from their AD.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...fi.../27971457/
A couple of sad quotes from the article:

Quote:By the NCAA's benchmark for self-sufficiency, just 24 of 230 public schools in Division I stand on their own...

Quote:By NCAA definition, self sufficiency means an athletic department's generated operating revenues — not counting money from student fees, university funding or direct government support — are at least equal to its total operating expenses, which is legalese for taking in more money than you spend.
Oregon led the nation with $196 million total operating revenue and an $83.5 million difference between its generated revenue and its total operating expense of $110.4 million. However, the school reported that its revenue included in-kind facility gifts of $95 million — the value a football training facility funded primarily by Nike co-founder Phil Knight and his wife.
The other 23 schools meeting this standard are all from the Southeastern, Big Ten, Pac-12 and Big 12 conferences, including Texas, which led the nation in total operating expense at $154.1 million and reported transferring another $9.7 million back to the university. Texas' total operating revenue was second to Oregon's at $161 million.
The Atlantic Coast Conference, the other member of the Power Five, did not have any schools meeting the NCAA benchmark, though North Carolina State came close, with a deficit of just more than $165,000.

Quote:The deficits get smaller and the number of self-sufficient schools gets larger if viewed another way. While athletics departments get money from student fees, university funds and government support, they also send money to their schools through payments for scholarships and facilities and through transfers like Texas'.
When those amounts are balanced, USA TODAY Sports found, all 50 of the public schools that were in a Power Five conference in 2013-14 were self-sufficient. But only three Bowl Subdivision schools outside the Power Five and two non-FBS schools were self-sufficient.

And for the non-P5, it's only going to get worse from here.

highest ranked G5: Uconn 44
(although this report has Louisville at 28 and Rutgers at 37, both listed in the AAC)

lowest ranked P5: Wash St 54
(which must mean the private schools are not listed)

highest ranked FCS: James Madison 63

it will be interesting to see what it looks like next year, since this must be from 2013-2014 since it has Louisville and Rutgers listed in the AAC, when the AAC was in the final year of its BCS status before getting demoted to G5 status.

(05-26-2015 04:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  highest ranked G5: Uconn 44

lowest ranked P5: Wash St 54
(which must mean the private schools are not listed)

highest ranked FCS: James Madison 63

UofL is the highest ranked of last years AAC teams. It will be interesting to see next years numbers between UofL, Rutgers, Maryland, and UConn in each of the columns.

No private schools are on here, correct?

(05-26-2015 05:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  No private schools are on here, correct?

Doesn't appear to be.

(05-26-2015 05:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  No private schools are on here, correct?

Correct, and not really sure why. The privates report on the Equity in Athletics web page: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

For all the shite I get from folks when I say Oklahoma State will fit right in with the SEC, well here you go....

#11 Oklahoma State $117,803,302

They fit in just fine.

This seems to be for all sports, but if you look at football only? The numbers and the rankings will be different. Now what would this looks like if some of these schools are in the P5 or moved up to the FBS level?

VCU #91 If they added football? They could be picked up for an FBS conference for their market.
Wichita State #105 They could get an invite to the MWC if they added football.
George Mason, Vermont
UALR is at the bottom. Schools usually with no football do not have success. Many schools that added football attracted a lot of students, and all that. It could explain why Georgia State and South Alabama are doing good in that department. Raise the image of the school to get support.

Here in Arkansas, the student body for each school goes like this.
Arkansas #1
Arkansas State #2
Arkansas Tech #3

UALR and Central Arkansas are falling.

Now, the schools from the FBS level that could move to the FBS if they open the doors for them.
James Madison
Delaware #75
Cal.-Davis #79
Stony Brook #94
New Hampshire #99
Rhode Island #100
Towson #103
North Dakota #107
Cal-Poly #108
William & Mary #109
Maine
Montana
North Dakota State
Coastal Carolina
Sacramento State
Southern Illinois
Illinois State
Albany, N.Y.
Montana State

Now, the success by Stony Brook had to do with football, Basketball and baseball the past few years.

(05-26-2015 05:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  No private schools are on here, correct?

Right, from the article:

Quote:DATABASE: A look at every Division I public school's finances

Quote:By the NCAA's benchmark for self-sufficiency, just 24 of 230 public schools in Division I stand on their own, up from 20 a year earlier, according to an analysis of the 2013-14 school year by USA TODAY Sports, based on data gathered in conjunction with Indiana University's National Sports Journalism Center.

Top 25 by amount of subsidy:
school conf total revenue total expenses total subsidy% subsidy


Rutgers AAC $76,656,339 $76,656,339 $36,340,665 47.41
James Madison CAA $43,767,486 $43,767,486 $35,725,049 81.62
Air Force Mt. West $46,577,840 $41,438,813 $30,892,609 66.32
Connecticut AAC $71,519,433 $71,396,255 $27,203,031 38.04
Cincinnati AAC $59,100,453 $55,433,830 $27,118,373 45.89
Old Dominion CUSA $41,061,440 $41,118,876 $26,733,437 65.11
Massachusetts A-10 $33,875,918 $33,475,242 $26,425,129 78.01
California-Davis Big West $31,062,590 $29,531,570 $25,136,071 80.92
Eastern Michigan MAC $30,081,523 $30,081,523 $25,083,708 83.39
Delaware CAA $32,142,970 $32,142,970 $24,929,996 77.56
Buffalo MAC $31,277,980 $31,134,149 $23,979,061 76.66
Texas State Sun Belt $32,190,191 $28,378,049 $23,570,803 73.22
Stony Brook Am East $27,504,770 $26,934,534 $23,298,044 84.71
Central Florida AAC $49,764,152 $45,327,168 $22,843,166 45.90
Akron MAC $32,774,266 $32,050,686 $22,654,017 69.12
Florida International CUSA $28,104,062 $27,542,910 $22,540,365 80.20
Houston AAC $40,310,724 $39,486,396 $21,744,121 53.94
Central Michigan MAC $29,281,777 $29,281,777 $21,605,613 73.79
South Florida AAC $48,383,928 $46,829,647 $21,355,970 44.14
Miami (Ohio) MAC $29,393,128 $28,712,466 $21,115,125 71.84
Georgia State Sun Belt $27,093,316 $27,488,640 $20,692,717 76.38
North Carolina Charlotte CUSA $29,591,208 $28,366,612 $20,459,306 69.14
New Mexico State WAC $29,287,917 $29,513,451 $20,353,201 69.49
Alabama at Birmingham CUSA $31,549,517 $30,805,171 $20,345,607 64.49
Rhode Island A-10 $25,502,270 $24,885,161 $20,044,922 78.60

(05-26-2015 06:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 05:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  No private schools are on here, correct?

Right, from the article:

Quote:DATABASE: A look at every Division I public school's finances

Quote:By the NCAA's benchmark for self-sufficiency, just 24 of 230 public schools in Division I stand on their own, up from 20 a year earlier, according to an analysis of the 2013-14 school year by USA TODAY Sports, based on data gathered in conjunction with Indiana University's National Sports Journalism Center.

The question would be what if the conferences do not look like they are and are more geographical fitting like having some MAC schools in the Big 10, some Big 10, C-USA, MWC, SEC, AAC, PAC 12, MVFC schools in the Big 12. Some ACC schools, Sun Belt, AAC and C-USA schools in the SEC? Some C-USA, AAC, Sun Belt, Southern, Big South in the ACC? Some Big 10, CAA, MAC, ACC, C-USA, Big South, Patriot schools in the AAC? You might see more schools than 24 because the cost of travel is actually eating up the money. Going from Rutgers and Maryland to Nebraska is not really cheap.

Cincy at #52....

will get a nice jump next year with the new revenue from the expanded and upgraded Nippert Stadium

UConn at 44 ... higher than many P5's and the highest of the G5's.

These are 2013-2014 numbers. Louisville and Rutgers were still in the AAC. Maryland was still in the ACC

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(05-27-2015 12:08 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn at 44 ... higher than many P5's and the highest of the G5's.

As long as a school has the money the P5/G5 division is not important.

You can afford to pay your coaches 2, 3, 4 million dollars a year it requires to keep them off the market from only the most elite schools.

The 25 million in P5 conference revenue is nice but not completely necessary.

(05-26-2015 06:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now, the schools from the FBS level that could move to the FBS if they open the doors for them.
James Madison

Not so fast on James Madison. The same Virginia law that limits ODU's subsidy to 45-55% would also apply to JMU if they moved up. They are currently at 81.62%. They have a long way to go to become compliant with the law if they want to move up.

James Madison CAA $43,767,486 $43,767,486 $35,725,049 81.62

(05-27-2015 02:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now, the schools from the FBS level that could move to the FBS if they open the doors for them.
James Madison

Not so fast on James Madison. The same Virginia law that limits ODU's subsidy to 45-55% would also apply to JMU if they moved up. They are currently at 81.62%. They have a long way to go to become compliant with the law if they want to move up.

James Madison CAA $43,767,486 $43,767,486 $35,725,049 81.62

Is the law that you can't do it for long term or does it mean that James Madison could do a fee for a few years to help transition the school to a higher level? Remember, moving FCS to FBS would help a school out in a long run, and I do think lawmakers would want to improve some of their schools' images.

#144 UC Santa Barbara. $15.5 million in revenue, 80% subsidy. We're just raking in the dough

(05-27-2015 02:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 02:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now, the schools from the FBS level that could move to the FBS if they open the doors for them.
James Madison

Not so fast on James Madison. The same Virginia law that limits ODU's subsidy to 45-55% would also apply to JMU if they moved up. They are currently at 81.62%. They have a long way to go to become compliant with the law if they want to move up.

James Madison CAA $43,767,486 $43,767,486 $35,725,049 81.62

Is the law that you can't do it for long term or does it mean that James Madison could do a fee for a few years to help transition the school to a higher level? Remember, moving FCS to FBS would help a school out in a long run, and I do think lawmakers would want to improve some of their schools' images.

The law is for the long term and JMU is not compliant with the 70% or less FCS requirement either. So they have to improve fund raising just to stay in FCS. However they have a long time to get compliant. The laws takes effect on July 1st 2016 and they have 5 years and if they can't do it in 5 years they can request another 5. What wasn't mentioned in the USA today article is that there will be a board that any Virginia school has to request permission to move up in any sport. So it's no longer up to the school alone if they want to make a jump. If JMU wants to move up to FBS they better to it before the law goes into effect.