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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
Forget the numbers, stats, reports.

If you are using your eyeballs, there has been a dramatic drop off in attendance and interest is dropping drastically year after year.03-banghead
05-26-2015 10:25 AM
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 10:25 AM)Dadgum Wrote:  Forget the numbers, stats, reports.

If you are using your eyeballs, there has been a dramatic drop off in attendance and interest is dropping drastically year after year.03-banghead

Agreed ---- fan interest always lags a bit behind. It will take another good/playoff year to get the interest back. And that needs to be more than a one and done playoff run.
05-26-2015 11:33 AM
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 08:59 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 08:05 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 07:06 AM)2Buck Wrote:  2011: 25,002
2012: 22,783
2013: 21,011
2014: 19,816

You're including a playoff game during Thanksgiving weekend. Talk about using numbers to fit your narrative. Remove that, and OH what do you know, were back up to 21170.

I was at every game at home last year, and have been at 95% since 2011. I can look around the stadium and tell you, unequivocally, that attendance has decreased markedly in those 4 years.

Yeah, I don't see how anyone can look around BFS and say attendance hasn't gone down.
05-26-2015 11:50 AM
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 11:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 10:25 AM)Dadgum Wrote:  Forget the numbers, stats, reports.

If you are using your eyeballs, there has been a dramatic drop off in attendance and interest is dropping drastically year after year.03-banghead

Agreed ---- fan interest always lags a bit behind. It will take another good/playoff year to get the interest back. And that needs to be more than a one and done playoff run.

I absolutely see the interest drop. However, our start last year killed enthusiasm. After 5 games we were 2 and 3. It took until the Richmond game to overcome the beginning. By that time, people had made their weekend plans 3 to 4 weeks out.

Once again, the locals don't have the same understanding. Even with season tickets, I'm figuring each home game weekend about 3 to 4 weeks out and it starts with lining up who is going to want to go with me as I always get four tickets. The only one accounted for at each game is mine. After that, the wife goes to a couple, a men's only game accounts for one or two, my daughter with a couple of friends account for one or two games. Nevertheless, trips to Harrisonburg begin early, and getting people to go after a $hiTTy start is not easy.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
Easily fixed... Join the Sunbelt.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 12:00 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Easily fixed... Join the Sunbelt.

doubtful
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 08:16 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 08:05 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 07:06 AM)2Buck Wrote:  2011: 25,002
2012: 22,783
2013: 21,011
2014: 19,816

You're including a playoff game during Thanksgiving weekend. Talk about using numbers to fit your narrative. Remove that, and OH what do you know, were back up to 21170.

I provided the numbers from NCAA. They didn't provide game by game. "Narrative"? Quit being so paranoid.

Nobody is "paranoid"...but citing skewed numbers to support your thesis would receive a big fat "F" from me. The regular season attendance was 21,170, actually an increase over 2013.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 12:13 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 12:00 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  Easily fixed... Join the Sunbelt.

doubtful

More likely than what they are currently doing.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
I'm a firm, "the numbers are the numbers" supporter. It is just as equally disingenuous to try and not include playoff attendance numbers as it is to complain about "what the stands look like in the fourth quarter". It doesn't matter if people do or don't leave early, their physical attendance still counts, even if they just walked in, talked to a buddy for five minutes, took a piss and walked out.
At the same time, thanksgiving weekend playoffs or not, a game was played and therefore, it counts in the record books. Year for year, attendance HAS gone down since 2011. You can't argue against that.

The numbers are what they are.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
I disagree. Comparing regular season-only numbers with playoff numbers is not a good comparison. Regular season average attendance is the only way to compare apples-to-apples.
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(05-26-2015 01:28 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I disagree. Comparing regular season-only numbers with playoff numbers is not a good comparison. Regular season average attendance is the only way to compare apples-to-apples.

Exactly.

If you want to compare post-season numbers to other post-season numbers have at it. Otherwise, compare regular season to regular season and post-season to post-season.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
As I posted earlier, forget the numbers or how they are counted and tabulated.

Use your eyeballs. It's half empty and looks embarrassing.
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(05-26-2015 01:46 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  As I posted earlier, forget the numbers or how they are counted and tabulated.

Use your eyeballs. It's half empty and looks embarrassing.

Now this has some validity (although no verifiable data outside of pictures).
05-26-2015 01:50 PM
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(05-26-2015 01:50 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:46 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  As I posted earlier, forget the numbers or how they are counted and tabulated.

Use your eyeballs. It's half empty and looks embarrassing.

Now this has some validity (although no verifiable data outside of pictures).

Don't worry Hyper, I am sure the photos of which you speak have been doctored to show empty seats that were really occupied. So no; it's not valid!
btw, how the heck are you? it's been a while.
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(05-26-2015 12:56 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 08:16 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 08:05 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 07:06 AM)2Buck Wrote:  2011: 25,002
2012: 22,783
2013: 21,011
2014: 19,816

You're including a playoff game during Thanksgiving weekend. Talk about using numbers to fit your narrative. Remove that, and OH what do you know, were back up to 21170.

I provided the numbers from NCAA. They didn't provide game by game. "Narrative"? Quit being so paranoid.

Nobody is "paranoid"...but citing skewed numbers to support your thesis would receive a big fat "F" from me. The regular season attendance was 21,170, actually an increase over 2013.

Support what "thesis" exactly? Please tell me. Reference a post or quote from me.

As I stated (and you neglected to comprehend) I provided total season numbers according to NCAA's report. Individual game details were not provided. Good thing for me your "grade" is completely irrelevant to my success in life. Hope others you come across aren't dependent on such irresponsible judgement.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-26-2015 01:44 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:28 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I disagree. Comparing regular season-only numbers with playoff numbers is not a good comparison. Regular season average attendance is the only way to compare apples-to-apples.

Exactly.

If you want to compare post-season numbers to other post-season numbers have at it. Otherwise, compare regular season to regular season and post-season to post-season.

EVEN IF that is the best way to compare season attendance numbers, are you all really hanging your hat on "Attendance hasn't been declining because we saw a 169 person increase last year after you remove our playoff game!!!!"

Oh, you are placing your hat there? Really? Okay well, to truly compare "apples-to-apples", I want a report of each years home opponents and their associated ranking since we know more people come to see a Top 10 Villanova than Morehead. I want to see the analysis for rival opponents and their scheduling at BFS cause more people want to come for Richmond than Stony Brook. Actually speaking of opponents, ODU traveled extremely well in our 1 game at BFS so should we take out opposing fan attendance since that doesn't measure interest in JMU football? Also, aren't the number of students attending JMU increasing? This leads to more parents attending the parent's weekend games so run an analysis to adjust recent years down to account for the surplus "fake fans" that really just want to visit little Johnny and Susie and are not beneficial when analyzing JMU fandom. I wonder how playing 7 home games in 2013 compared to playing 5 regular season games in 2014 changes the analysis? Work that sensitivity analysis up for me too please.

Or maybe, just maybe, we can just admit those additional 169 fans in stated attendance represents a pretty weak data point for supporting an argument that overall fanhood isn't declining especially when attendance is down 15% over 4 years?
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Along the same line, I have often wondered how they count the students. Do they use a full 8K every week? Do they use exactly what goes through the gate? We all know that they use "tickets sold" for those of us who must purchase. Do the students have to pick up a ticket prior to the game? CISDuke2014, you might be a good one to help me with this.
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I think it is pointless to debate.

Since the stadium has opened, attendance is down between 16-21%. However you cut it, that's not great.
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(05-26-2015 03:18 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I think it is pointless to debate.

Since the stadium has opened, attendance is down between 16-21%. However you cut it, that's not great.

But according to Jeffery, the CAA is close to coming back to its glory years so we'll be ok.
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RE: An open letter to Hot Ham & Cheese
(05-25-2015 03:37 PM)2Buck Wrote:  
(05-25-2015 02:31 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I don't think there has been a change in the leadership's view toward FBS but I think there has been more of an effort to be more public with information. We do need to fill the stadium for home games and we need to raise more money so we are ready when we are invited to a compatible FBS conference.

Thank you for the response. I'm understanding this as, from your perspective, there hasn't been a change in their view because for "some time" they have been ready and committed to make a move to FBS for the "right" conference, just not wanting to show their hand too soon?

Do you feel they are prepared to pull the trigger "today" or do you think there'd be dependencies like raising "x" amount of dollars or some other steps that would have to be taken before accepting an invite?

Appreciate it!

My understanding is that JMU is prepared to pull the trigger today without an contingencies about raising $__ dollars to make the move. The Carr Report did not have any contingencies that I recall and I am not aware of any contingencies being placed on such a move. That being said, I am not privy to all communications, I am not on staff at JMU and I am not on the BOV. There could be hurdles we have to jump but I have not been told that there are any at this time.
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