(05-24-2015 09:47 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU women's programs have been unbelievable this season, has to be one of WKU's best ever in our history, not sure our woemns programs can duplicate the season they had minus our volleyball program....

Our mens teams could learn from our girls...All in all though WKU certainly made a huge splash first season in CUSA....Of course I expect this to continue....

Yet this off season is all about Marshall and their NFL powerhouse program that is somehow stuck in college football mode..

And yet you're the only one who keeps bringing it up. Look at the main page. There are more LaTech random threads than anything and nothing about us. In fact, a Marshall fan started this thread knowing we would be ranked in the middle at best. Jesus, just stfu. A couple knuckleheads make a boast and you bring it up in every single conference thread. You are the one with problem, not us. Obsession is not just a cologne.

(05-24-2015 05:20 PM)PR_eagle Wrote:  Actually, using the point scale from the Sun Belt, WKU would win it outright.

Not sure where your math is but I was actually charting it myself and had WKU with something like 138 points, a few points above Rice.

Maybe you did it based on Tournament Results? SBC only used Regular Season results unless it was a sport like golf, tennis, etc., that only had a year-ending tournament.

I really can't argue with you on methodology. As I said my method was simplified from what I saw on the SBC site and I don't stand by its appropriateness as a ranking system.

I generated this more for the discussion on all sports awards, in general, and overall, relative performance, than I did to be an absolute ranking. Although, I'm pretty sure I did use the regular season, unless there was ONLY a year ending tournament.

(05-24-2015 07:42 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:38 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  After reading the Bubas Cup threads on the SBC Board, I wondered what the results might be if C-USA did something similar in determining an overall sports Champion based on how a team finished in the regular season, . (Post Season Championships are NOT included unless this was the only way to determine a ranking -- example Track and Field/Swimming & Diving. In Basketball, Baseball and Softball, post season tournaments are not included.)

So, having far too much time on my hands awaiting football, I did a simple spread sheet of all C-USA Sports, using a system similar to the SBC. Using football as an example, 13 teams participated in football. So 13 points were awarded to the team with the best record, 12 to the second team, etc. When all sports were accounted for these were then totaled across all sports to get the TOTAL PERFORMANCE SCORES shown below. Performance shown on the C-USA site is where records came from.

Using this formula, Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky share in the top all sports performance for the Academic Year 2014-2015.

Middle Tennessee 127
Western Kentucky 127
Rice 110
UTEP 108
UTSA 104
North Texas 98
Charlotte 91
Marshall 84
Old Dominion 83
UAB 77
LaTech 75
Southern Miss 74
FAU 70
FIU 61

There is probably a very good reason why we don't do this kind of thing, and I'm sure you'll tell me why. But, hopefully, this meager attempt to rank all sports performance will generate some lively discussion anyway on the relative performance of each member school.

Because it makes you look small time.

Small time, eh?

Someone should tell the SEC.

(05-24-2015 01:53 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 12:07 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I think CUSA should consider awarding an All-Sports Trophy to the Best Overall Athletic Program in the league annually. I really don't know which other leagues other than SBC does it but I do know Middle was dominant winning the Bubas Cup 7 or 8 times out of the 12 or so years we were there. Our evil archrival Western has also been up there yearly. What is the downside?

The Sun Belt does it, we should to! Thanks Middle and Western for bringing that over to CUSA

As does the SEC.

If you want to make it about popularity, just add up total attendances. To heck with how a team did, how many paid to watch it do it.

If it is about athletic success within the conference, this format is fine.

I would add separate rankings for men's and women's sports as well as the overall ranking.

(05-25-2015 08:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you want to make it about popularity, just add up total attendances. To heck with how a team did, how many paid to watch it do it.

If it is about athletic success within the conference, this format is fine.

I would add separate rankings for men's and women's sports as well as the overall ranking.

I'd be fine with separate awards for men and women. Commissioner would have two events. Gives the Conference two promotional moments!

(05-25-2015 06:59 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I really can't argue with you on methodology. As I said my method was simplified from what I saw on the SBC site and I don't stand by its appropriateness as a ranking system.

I generated this more for the discussion on all sports awards, in general, and overall, relative performance, than I did to be an absolute ranking. Although, I'm pretty sure I did use the regular season, unless there was ONLY a year ending tournament.

Hmm...trying to see where we differentiated. Did you split points for Ties and Co-Champs? For instance, in Volleyball, UTSA and WKU were co-champs in a sport with only 13 participants. So they split the top two point totals, 13+12=25/2=12.5 points?

Or in a sport likes Men's Soccer with a bunch of non-member schools participating?

Didn't split points and didn't consider members beyond the 14 core members.

(05-24-2015 06:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 05:34 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 01:53 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 12:07 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I think CUSA should consider awarding an All-Sports Trophy to the Best Overall Athletic Program in the league annually. I really don't know which other leagues other than SBC does it but I do know Middle was dominant winning the Bubas Cup 7 or 8 times out of the 12 or so years we were there. Our evil archrival Western has also been up there yearly. What is the downside?

The Sun Belt does it, we should to! Thanks Middle and Western for bringing that over to CUSA

The problem with these "All Sports Trophies" are that they are heavily weighted to benefit athletic programs that excel at badminton, checkers, chess, tennis, golf, Lacrosse, Field Hockey, Canasta, and other such nonsense.

Seriously, these "bubba polls" are only worthwhile if the sports are WEIGHTED properly. In college athletics, Football and men's basketball scores should represent over 70% of any final score in a poll like this simply because those two sports typically generate the overwhelming amount of revenues and publicity the schools receive for their respective athletic programs.

It's called a ALL SPORTS award for a reason and in that reason it doesn't say most popular. And in a sense it is weighted. You would get a point for each conference school playing that sport and while I don't know the makeup in numbers for all CUSA sports...

we know everyone plays football and basketball so those sports would get you the maximum amount of points. Where if say softball only had 7 members the max you can get is 7 points.

What a all sports awards really shows is who is most stable and support all their programs. That's not always the case but over the years if you looked at muts and Western budgets you could see both schools show they are usually more stable....money/budget wise than other schools in the conference.

But again it's called a all sports award for a reason

So, be honest: Would you rather have 4 CUSA championships in Softball with none in football? Or would you rather have 1 CUSA football championship and none in softball?

The defense RESTS, your honor.

(05-25-2015 08:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 01:53 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 12:07 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I think CUSA should consider awarding an All-Sports Trophy to the Best Overall Athletic Program in the league annually. I really don't know which other leagues other than SBC does it but I do know Middle was dominant winning the Bubas Cup 7 or 8 times out of the 12 or so years we were there. Our evil archrival Western has also been up there yearly. What is the downside?

The Sun Belt does it, we should to! Thanks Middle and Western for bringing that over to CUSA

As does the SEC.

I'll bet that every year a lot more people know who won the SEC football and basketball titles than which SEC schools won the All-Sports trophy. That's how how important this ranking is.

(05-24-2015 02:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 10:18 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  One problem I can see. ODU competes at a very high level in field hockey, womens lacross and wrestling, but C-USA does not offer these sports. We have to join numerous other leagues as associates, thus our success is not being accounted for.This is probably true for some schools as well.

Don't forget sailing.

And rowing. ODU is in 5 conferences...

(05-25-2015 11:04 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 06:10 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 05:34 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 01:53 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 12:07 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I think CUSA should consider awarding an All-Sports Trophy to the Best Overall Athletic Program in the league annually. I really don't know which other leagues other than SBC does it but I do know Middle was dominant winning the Bubas Cup 7 or 8 times out of the 12 or so years we were there. Our evil archrival Western has also been up there yearly. What is the downside?

The Sun Belt does it, we should to! Thanks Middle and Western for bringing that over to CUSA

The problem with these "All Sports Trophies" are that they are heavily weighted to benefit athletic programs that excel at badminton, checkers, chess, tennis, golf, Lacrosse, Field Hockey, Canasta, and other such nonsense.

Seriously, these "bubba polls" are only worthwhile if the sports are WEIGHTED properly. In college athletics, Football and men's basketball scores should represent over 70% of any final score in a poll like this simply because those two sports typically generate the overwhelming amount of revenues and publicity the schools receive for their respective athletic programs.

It's called a ALL SPORTS award for a reason and in that reason it doesn't say most popular. And in a sense it is weighted. You would get a point for each conference school playing that sport and while I don't know the makeup in numbers for all CUSA sports...

we know everyone plays football and basketball so those sports would get you the maximum amount of points. Where if say softball only had 7 members the max you can get is 7 points.

What a all sports awards really shows is who is most stable and support all their programs. That's not always the case but over the years if you looked at muts and Western budgets you could see both schools show they are usually more stable....money/budget wise than other schools in the conference.

But again it's called a all sports award for a reason

So, be honest: Would you rather have 4 CUSA championships in Softball with none in football? Or would you rather have 1 CUSA football championship and none in softball?

I would rather have 4 C-USA Championships in both Softball and Football over the next 4 Seasons. I enjoy all of our Athletic teams to perform at a high level. I want to contend for every C-USA Championship in every sport we participate in.

(05-25-2015 11:09 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 08:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 01:53 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 12:07 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  I think CUSA should consider awarding an All-Sports Trophy to the Best Overall Athletic Program in the league annually. I really don't know which other leagues other than SBC does it but I do know Middle was dominant winning the Bubas Cup 7 or 8 times out of the 12 or so years we were there. Our evil archrival Western has also been up there yearly. What is the downside?

The Sun Belt does it, we should to! Thanks Middle and Western for bringing that over to CUSA

As does the SEC.

I'll bet that every year a lot more people know who won the SEC football and basketball titles than which SEC schools won the All-Sports trophy. That's how how important this ranking is.

Kindly point me to the part where I said it was important...

We all know that football (especially) and basketball are the revenue earners. But that doesn't diminish the accomplishments of athletes in other sports. I try to come out and support our teams in other sports also when I can. I guess I just like to see how we stack up across the board as opposed to just in two sports. I'm also proud of how we fare overall because aside from our new track stadium, soccer field, and the Alamodome, our facilities are subpar when compared to other C-USA schools; basketball and baseball are especially horrible. Our athletic budget is also closer to the bottom of the conference than it is to the top, 9th according to one source (although Rice's budget wasn't disclosed and I'd have a hard time believing their athletic budget isn't also bigger than ours). So I think we hold our own considering. I believe ODU and Marshall were #1 and #2 in athletic budgets, at least in 2012, and according to a guy who covers ODU. I don't know what the current numbers are.

At any rate, we won the Commissioner's Cup in our only year in the WAC (Idaho and Utah State being 2nd and 3rd). Prior to that, we won it in two of our last 5 years in the Southland and finished 3rd or higher in each of our last 8 years there.

Source:
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/odus-bud...s-biggest#

(05-25-2015 03:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 09:47 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU women's programs have been unbelievable this season, has to be one of WKU's best ever in our history, not sure our woemns programs can duplicate the season they had minus our volleyball program....

Our mens teams could learn from our girls...All in all though WKU certainly made a huge splash first season in CUSA....Of course I expect this to continue....

Yet this off season is all about Marshall and their NFL powerhouse program that is somehow stuck in college football mode..

And yet you're the only one who keeps bringing it up. Look at the main page. There are more LaTech random threads than anything and nothing about us. In fact, a Marshall fan started this thread knowing we would be ranked in the middle at best. Jesus, just stfu. A couple knuckleheads make a boast and you bring it up in every single conference thread. You are the one with problem, not us. Obsession is not just a cologne.

Lighten up kid, just trying to be funny and making a joke....ITs the off season...

Like I said, the only posters who think it isn't important or would be bush league are those from schools that are only good at one or two sports and awful at everything else.

(05-25-2015 08:17 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Lighten up kid, just trying to be funny and making a joke....ITs the off season...

Am I the only one finding irony in calling it the "offseason" when there are still spring sport NCAA championships let to be decided? It's only the offseason for football and men's basketball centric thinking.

(05-25-2015 11:12 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 08:17 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Lighten up kid, just trying to be funny and making a joke....ITs close to being off season...

Am I the only one finding irony in calling it the "offseason" when there are still spring sport NCAA championships let to be decided? It's only the offseason for football and men's basketball centric thinking.

Oh I am so sorry, let me fix that for you...

(05-26-2015 07:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Oh I am so sorry, let me fix that for you...

No sweat, it's okay if your actions confirm your mindset that football and basketball are all that matter in college sports. It's a tough perception to fight.

(05-26-2015 08:30 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Oh I am so sorry, let me fix that for you...

No sweat, it's okay if your actions confirm your mindset that football and basketball are all that matter in college sports. It's a tough perception to fight.

Semantics.

How many threads do we have on this board right now about remaining spring sports?